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Post by DSR on Jun 20, 2021 23:58:25 GMT -5
GOOD LORD, THAT MAN'S BACK!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 23:58:57 GMT -5
If they wanted the heel to win the feud, then I think this was the right way to go about it. Drew is still their top face so they needed to protect him while still getting him out of the title picture. He had a visual pin on Lashley twice on top of multiple times MVP interfered. He was protected enough to lose to an actual move.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 21, 2021 0:29:08 GMT -5
So why did Drew just randomly pin Bobby the RAW before if he was gonna lose tonight? “win on Monday, lose on Sunday” booking.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 21, 2021 0:44:08 GMT -5
So why did Drew just randomly pin Bobby the RAW before if he was gonna lose tonight? “win on Monday, lose on Sunday” booking. Which means that we need go-home angles to end exactly even.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 0:52:21 GMT -5
GOOD LORD, THAT MAN'S BACK!!! GOOD LORD, THIS WOMAN'S BACK!!!
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 21, 2021 6:21:27 GMT -5
We’ve talked about this plenty before, but having a PPV where Cell matches just happen because “it’s the name of the show lol” is ridiculously awful.
But good lord, if you’re gonna do it then at least have feuds built up that require some kind of definitive finish. Otherwise you’re completely devaluing the gimmick of the Cell, which has always been spoken of as WWE’s ultimate “this will settle everything” match.
But then again, they’ve done DQs in the Cell at this point, it’s a pretty dead gimmick already, I suppose.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2021 6:26:28 GMT -5
If they wanted the heel to win the feud, then I think this was the right way to go about it. Drew is still their top face so they needed to protect him while still getting him out of the title picture. He had a visual pin on Lashley twice on top of multiple times MVP interfered. He was protected enough to lose to an actual move. What’s wrong with a roll up? And the finish is usually the lasting impression of a match. The visual pins help too but then if he just went down and submitted to Lashley’s finisher that would’ve been the lasting image and impression of the match.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2021 6:32:12 GMT -5
We’ve talked about this plenty before, but having a PPV where Cell matches just happen because “it’s the name of the show lol” is ridiculously awful. But good lord, if you’re gonna do it then at least have feuds built up that require some kind of definitive finish. Otherwise you’re completely devaluing the gimmick of the Cell, which has always been spoken of as WWE’s ultimate “this will settle everything” match. But then again, they’ve done DQs in the Cell at this point, it’s a pretty dead gimmick already, I suppose. I mean that may be the gimmick but even the first ever Hell in a Cell match ended via interference.
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Post by joeiscool on Jun 21, 2021 7:01:23 GMT -5
I think it made me invested in what Drew does next.
He has a legit gripe, but no title to go after
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 21, 2021 7:46:32 GMT -5
We’ve talked about this plenty before, but having a PPV where Cell matches just happen because “it’s the name of the show lol” is ridiculously awful. But good lord, if you’re gonna do it then at least have feuds built up that require some kind of definitive finish. Otherwise you’re completely devaluing the gimmick of the Cell, which has always been spoken of as WWE’s ultimate “this will settle everything” match. But then again, they’ve done DQs in the Cell at this point, it’s a pretty dead gimmick already, I suppose. I mean that may be the gimmick but even the first ever Hell in a Cell match ended via interference. Incredibly violent interference, where the entire point of "The Cell is locked, nobody can get in to interfere with this match!" was to put over just how monstrous Kane had to be if the first thing we saw him do was tear the @#$%ing door off so he can try to murder his big brother.One can argue that they might've wanted a more definitive ending to Shawn vs. Taker, but that ending served to seamlessly set up a new feud in Taker vs. Kane and instantly lend it a lot of energy; a distraction roll-up ending to a Cell match just feels like something you'd see on a nothing episode of Raw, not what you'd see in the blow off to the biggest title feud you've had all year.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 21, 2021 8:45:52 GMT -5
In addition to the crappy booked finish, last night was a great example of why the Cell needs to go the f*** away for a few years. The thing needs to be used sporadicallyand when it is, it needs to be the ending of blood feuds (why exactly was a cell necessary for Bianca/Bayley?) with definitive finishes. Nonsense like Roll ups and DQs (?!?) only cheapen the concept
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2021 8:50:01 GMT -5
I mean that may be the gimmick but even the first ever Hell in a Cell match ended via interference. Incredibly violent interference, where the entire point of "The Cell is locked, nobody can get in to interfere with this match!" was to put over just how monstrous Kane had to be if the first thing we saw him do was tear the @#$%ing door off so he can try to murder his big brother.One can argue that they might've wanted a more definitive ending to Shawn vs. Taker, but that ending served to seamlessly set up a new feud in Taker vs. Kane and instantly lend it a lot of energy; a distraction roll-up ending to a Cell match just feels like something you'd see on a nothing episode of Raw, not what you'd see in the blow off to the biggest title feud you've had all year. I agree a more effective interference would have been Drew’s next opponent coming out to cost him the match. I was just pushing against the statement that interference has somehow ruined the Hell in a Cell gimmick when even the first one featured interference.
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Post by sportatorium on Jun 21, 2021 12:30:44 GMT -5
So many better ways to protect Drew for a future run than this.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 21, 2021 12:48:41 GMT -5
I did like the HIAC finish more than the Rollins/Cesaro finish. Rollins is pretty set as a top guy. Cesaro needed the win more, unless they are ending the feud in a big gimmick match. I think the challenge is that rumor has it Edge/Rollins is a SummerSlam match and they don't necessarily want Rollins going into that cold. That's their rational, I suspect, for giving Rollins the win.
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Post by salz4life on Jun 21, 2021 13:16:14 GMT -5
We’ve talked about this plenty before, but having a PPV where Cell matches just happen because “it’s the name of the show lol” is ridiculously awful. But good lord, if you’re gonna do it then at least have feuds built up that require some kind of definitive finish. Otherwise you’re completely devaluing the gimmick of the Cell, which has always been spoken of as WWE’s ultimate “this will settle everything” match. But then again, they’ve done DQs in the Cell at this point, it’s a pretty dead gimmick already, I suppose. HIAC is absolutely meaningless now. If WWE cares at all about it, they would shelve it for a couple years and only bring it back when/if they have a rivalry that needs it to get it over the finish line. They won't and it will just continue to be that year PPV show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 13:40:51 GMT -5
I think you have to many shoes... wait...
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Post by feartear on Jun 21, 2021 16:49:04 GMT -5
I guess it's par of the norm that a "Last Chance Match" must end with a dumb finish
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Post by saneiac on Jun 21, 2021 17:05:30 GMT -5
If I can fantasy book for a moment, how would this have been for a finish? Lashley gets behind Drew and tries to apply the Hurt Lock, Drew is fighting out of it and grabs the top rope to prevent Lashley from locking it in, MVP pops up and smashes Drew's hand with his cane causing him to let go, Lashley locks in the hold and Drew goes out.
Drew still gets screwed, Lashley wins with his signature move, and there's no "surprise" roll-up that makes Drew look like a complete idiot.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 21, 2021 17:08:09 GMT -5
GOOD LORD, THAT MAN'S BACK!!! GOOD LORD, THIS WOMAN'S BACK!!!
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 21, 2021 19:40:30 GMT -5
It's just so ridiculous to have ref bumps in these kinds of matches.
Usually, you're trying to hide an interference or an action that would cause a disqualification. That doesn't work in a Hell in a Cell match. So, why did the ref need to be bumped to have MVP interfere? It's insulting. Why couldn't MVP just interfere? People have done so in the past.
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