Freddy victims question

[James Fabiano]

I think I asked before here. But RLM's commentary on the original Nightmare on Elm Street makes a good point about Johnny Depp's death and what his mom saw when she walked in the room. It reminded me of my own curiosity...what DO people in the real world see when they find a Freddy victim?

Obviously, it's easier and more realistic in the original movie and part 2 as well. But it becomes more problematic as the kills get more elaborate later in the series.

EDIT: Yep, found the OT: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/574184/freddys-victims-people

[XIII]

Wouldn’t they just see the person laying there dead? Freddy only operates within dreams until someone pulls him into the waking world. So the person experiences how Freddy kills them but to an onlooker they’re just normal dead. At least that’s how I imagine it should be.

[EvenBaldobombHasAJob]

Jun 22, 2021 10:06:37 GMT -5 XIII said:

Wouldn’t they just see the person laying there dead? Freddy only operates within dreams until someone pulls him into the waking world. So the person experiences how Freddy kills them but to an onlooker they’re just normal dead. At least that’s how I imagine it should be.

Yeah but the police in the first movie can all clearly see the aftermath of Johnny Depp getting eaten by his bed.

[XIII]

Jun 22, 2021 10:14:07 GMT -5 EvenBaldobombHasAJob said:

Jun 22, 2021 10:06:37 GMT -5 XIII said:

Wouldn’t they just see the person laying there dead? Freddy only operates within dreams until someone pulls him into the waking world. So the person experiences how Freddy kills them but to an onlooker they’re just normal dead. At least that’s how I imagine it should be.

Yeah but the police in the first movie can all clearly see the aftermath of Johnny Depp getting eaten by his bed.

Yep. I don’t think we’re supposed to put this much thought into it. lol

[metylerca]

I think back to the death of Mark in Elm Street 5. In his dream, he's sliced into tiny pieces of paper that drain out. But in the real world, Alice finds him crushed by his room, a bloody arm visible.

Thinking of deaths as a near 1:1 event, we never see Glen's death dream in part 1, just him lying there. I'd imagine (if we were seeing it in real time because Krueger's arms pull him under) his nightmare would have been him still on his bed waiting for Nancy's call. His surroundings never change because he's dreaming the plan is still good to go.

I would also not want to into the group room at the end of Dream Warriors.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Well we see that stuff can be taken from the dreams and Nancy even gets a burn mark on her arm when she burns it to wake up. I imagine some, if not most, injuries manifest on the person in the outside world. Some of the more fantastical deaths probably just play out as a different effect on the person.

[James Fabiano]

Jun 22, 2021 10:23:21 GMT -5 Zone Was Wrong said:

Well we see that stuff can be taken from the dreams and Nancy even gets a burn mark on her arm when she burns it to wake up. I imagine some, if not most, injuries manifest on the person in the outside world. Some of the more fantastical deaths probably just play out as a different effect on the person.

As I said in the original thread, it isn't always consistent. See also: Kia's nose on FvJ. Leading me to reason, the more power Freddy has, the more effective he is in the dream world.

The FvJ Freddy is considerably weakened at the start of the movie, he's trapped in hell without any of his power sources: he lost his souls, lost the dream demons, and now he's been erased from Springwood history*. Hence why he needs Jason to build fear amongst the teens. When he's weakened, he cannot damage someone in their dreams, let alone kill them.


* - Now, FvJ only uses the "forgotten" part to explain his lack of power. They SHOULD have acknowledged what happened in the latter three films to really drive home that Freddy is hurting at this point cause he's got no power source(s) left. Though the fear element was probably best for the movie's purpose, as it can be rebuilt, unlike the Dream Demons who seemed to have left him behind for good at the end of Freddy's Dead.

[Deleted]

Jun 22, 2021 10:16:40 GMT -5 XIII said:

Jun 22, 2021 10:14:07 GMT -5 EvenBaldobombHasAJob said:

Yeah but the police in the first movie can all clearly see the aftermath of Johnny Depp getting eaten by his bed.

Yep. I don’t think we’re supposed to put this much thought into it. lol

Laziest answer possible from either a fan or a filmmaker.

Don't be an artist for a living if you don't want people to analyze your art.

[Sigma: Current SRW Champ!]

The easiest one to understand has to be Greta from Dream Child. Krueger force fed her own insides and then strangled her until she died in the dream. In real life, she choked on a piece of food until she died. I also think 3's deaths are easy to get as well. It's the ones in 4 and 6 that need a bit more explaination.

[James Fabiano]

Oh Sigma, I should have remembered you were the NOES5 expert. I remember your one Halloween PIR entry referencing it.

As I haven't seen it in a long time, remind me of this: the novelization ends with Yvonne or someone telling Alice to forget Freddy and consider her friends' deaths accidents. Did the movie do the same? (I mention it cause it's kinda like what you mentioned, someone describing what people in the real world saw when they died).

[James Fabiano]

Jun 22, 2021 10:14:07 GMT -5 EvenBaldobombHasAJob said:

Jun 22, 2021 10:06:37 GMT -5 XIII said:

Wouldn’t they just see the person laying there dead? Freddy only operates within dreams until someone pulls him into the waking world. So the person experiences how Freddy kills them but to an onlooker they’re just normal dead. At least that’s how I imagine it should be.

Yeah but the police in the first movie can all clearly see the aftermath of Johnny Depp getting eaten by his bed.

Someone suggested that in the actual dream, Freddy stuffed Glen into a giant blender. Which gave me the idea of NOES 1.5, and/or 2.5. In which we see what happens in the death scenes that are ambiguous. Only it ends up being Dream Trilogy/Freddy's Dead era Freddy and it turns out to be some wacky macabre cartoon killing.

[rogermortus]

Tinas death plays out in real time in part one, being dragged all across the ceiling and falling into a bloody slashed mess on the bed. But In part 4 cincade seems to have a heart attack irl while Freddy stabs him in the dream.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Been a while, do they say what they saw in Depp's room?

Was it something which could be explained as while the dream was going on his body was having a fit and trashed everything.

[CMWaters]

Jun 24, 2021 4:47:40 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Been a while, do they say what they saw in Depp's room?

Was it something which could be explained as while the dream was going on his body was having a fit and trashed everything.

Just that the coroner was puking.

Though Glenn's entry on an Elm Street wiki did reveal this:
-According to Wes Craven, the blood bursting out of the bed isn't Glen's but the blood of all of Freddy's past victims.
-In an extended scene, when Glen died and after Mrs. Lantz ran away screaming, his body rises out of the hole and fell over dead.

[dirtyoldman]

Perhaps the rules of Freddy killing you in the real world is like the rules of the royal rumble every year.

[thatloser]

In Part 3 I think we got the best look of what a kill would look like in the real world when you had that kid who had his veins pulled out and used as puppet strings in the dream world while in the real world it just looked like they where sleep walking until they fell off the building.

[cj3]

Jun 24, 2021 18:13:57 GMT -5 thatloser said:

In Part 3 I think we got the best look of what a kill would look like in the real world when you had that kid who had his veins pulled out and used as puppet strings in the dream world while in the real world it just looked like they where sleep walking until they fell off the building.

Which brings up the question of walking through doors that are closed

[thatloser]

Jun 24, 2021 18:23:46 GMT -5 cj3 said:

Jun 24, 2021 18:13:57 GMT -5 thatloser said:

In Part 3 I think we got the best look of what a kill would look like in the real world when you had that kid who had his veins pulled out and used as puppet strings in the dream world while in the real world it just looked like they where sleep walking until they fell off the building.

Which brings up the question of walking through doors that are closed

I may or may not of forgot that part.

[Sparvid]

For the movies to work better, all the kills from a real world perspective should really look like random accidents or natural causes. That way the authorities/adults would be more dismissive of the idea that something weird is going on. "He fell asleep at the wheel and crashed" "She must've slipped and hit her head"

[Duke Cameron]

Jun 22, 2021 10:19:15 GMT -5 metylerca said:

I think back to the death of Mark in Elm Street 5. In his dream, he's sliced into tiny pieces of paper that drain out. But in the real world, Alice finds him crushed by his room, a bloody arm visible.

Thinking of deaths as a near 1:1 event, we never see Glen's death dream in part 1, just him lying there. I'd imagine (if we were seeing it in real time because Krueger's arms pull him under) his nightmare would have been him still on his bed waiting for Nancy's call. His surroundings never change because he's dreaming the plan is still good to go.

I would also not want to into the group room at the end of Dream Warriors.

Imagine waking up in that room if you’re Kincaid. He’s waking up to a room full of the dead bodies of his friends.