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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 24, 2021 21:19:36 GMT -5
The idea of Karrion Kross is better than the actual Kross. I actually don't think he's bad and actually liked him in Impact. He makes a good heavy for a main heel... I just don't think he actually translates well to the guy.... and I think they magnified his weaknesses by insisting on making him champ without building him up.
Plus whenever he he makes faces instead of looking menacing he looks like he just smelled something disgusting and it makes me laugh
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 24, 2021 21:30:57 GMT -5
I didnt really feel him till Joe returned last week. Him being a full heel is a step in the right direction and if you ask me about his character? I say go full on Shao Kahn with it. Give him the war armor, give him a symbolic hammer, just make him Kahn and all the other stuff will fall into place off that alone. The main roster is one place where I feel if anything they'll get his character down. Agreed about him coming off well opposite Joe. However, there wasn’t anything mystical/dark/tribal/MMA/whatever of him in that moment. He came off like an upper class dick. Adding in the contribution of Vince and eventually live crowds, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets majorly overhauled on the main roster. Maybe he doesn’t need all the mystical/dark flair. The HHH comparison might be right. Maybe he’s just an effective dick heel 🤷
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 24, 2021 21:33:08 GMT -5
I didnt really feel him till Joe returned last week. Him being a full heel is a step in the right direction and if you ask me about his character? I say go full on Shao Kahn with it. Give him the war armor, give him a symbolic hammer, just make him Kahn and all the other stuff will fall into place off that alone. The main roster is one place where I feel if anything they'll get his character down. Agreed about him coming off well opposite Joe. However, there wasn’t anything mystical/dark/tribal/MMA/whatever of him in that moment. He came off like an upper class dick. Adding in the contribution of Vince and eventually live crowds, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets majorly overhauled on the main roster. Maybe he doesn’t need all the mystical/dark flair. The HHH comparison might be right. Maybe he’s just an effective dick heel 🤷 After seeing him on Main Event without his entrance....noooo bad f***ing idea people already dislike him but removing whats left after now seeing what the act looks like without the entrance. Nope hell naw he needs that full blown entrance.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 24, 2021 21:42:40 GMT -5
Agreed about him coming off well opposite Joe. However, there wasn’t anything mystical/dark/tribal/MMA/whatever of him in that moment. He came off like an upper class dick. Adding in the contribution of Vince and eventually live crowds, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets majorly overhauled on the main roster. Maybe he doesn’t need all the mystical/dark flair. The HHH comparison might be right. Maybe he’s just an effective dick heel 🤷 After seeing him on Main Event without his entrance....noooo bad f***ing idea people already dislike him but removing whats left after now seeing what the act looks like without the entrance. Nope hell naw he needs that full blown entrance. I mean, one would want people to dislike him. The key is investing and believing him. He definitely seems “naked” w/o all the elaborate entrance but I dunno. I buy him as as a self-inflated psycho dick. Dunno if he’s ..mystical dark world-ender he’s been presented as in NXT.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 24, 2021 21:53:25 GMT -5
After seeing him on Main Event without his entrance....noooo bad f***ing idea people already dislike him but removing whats left after now seeing what the act looks like without the entrance. Nope hell naw he needs that full blown entrance. I mean, one would want people to dislike him. The key is investing and believing him. He definitely seems “naked” w/o all the elaborate entrance but I dunno. I buy him as as a self-inflated psycho dick. Dunno if he’s ..mystical dark world-ender he’s been presented as in NXT. Yea presentation is EVERYTHING with him and if they wont be all in on him on that end then there is nothing that is gonna help him it is why I go back to when he first got to NXT and how toneally that they got it right and along the way they just said naw and dropped nearly all of that. He is in the same veign alot of LU alum post LU found themselves in...they get this amazing presentation that make them full blown amazing characters with all the lore and care to their characters...but then they show in other companies and feel like just another roster member.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 24, 2021 21:59:56 GMT -5
I mean, one would want people to dislike him. The key is investing and believing him. He definitely seems “naked” w/o all the elaborate entrance but I dunno. I buy him as as a self-inflated psycho dick. Dunno if he’s ..mystical dark world-ender he’s been presented as in NXT. Yea presentation is EVERYTHING with him and if they wont be all in on him on that end then there is nothing that is gonna help him it is why I go back to when he first got to NXT and how toneally that they got it right and along the way they just said naw and dropped nearly all of that. He is in the same veign alot of LU alum post LU found themselves in...they get this amazing presentation that make them full blown amazing characters with all the lore and care to their characters...but then they show in other companies and feel like just another roster member. Yeah, it’s pretty obvious seeing the “progression” of guys like Black, Nakamura, Ricochet, etc etc that he’ll definitely be handled differently compared to NXT. I’m very curious actually cause I see Vince wanting him to work but dunno if he’ll succeed lol
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jun 24, 2021 22:09:40 GMT -5
He looks like his middle name also starts with a K.
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Post by tenshi on Jun 24, 2021 23:11:31 GMT -5
I didnt really feel him till Joe returned last week. Him being a full heel is a step in the right direction and if you ask me about his character? I say go full on Shao Kahn with it. Give him the war armor, give him a symbolic hammer, just make him Kahn and all the other stuff will fall into place off that alone. The main roster is one place where I feel if anything they'll get his character down. At this rate, he's more Kotal Khan at this point. Kotal Khan is a jobber, though...
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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 25, 2021 0:39:30 GMT -5
I haven’t payed him too much attention but to me he’s coming across as the most overrated IWC darling yet
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 25, 2021 1:24:49 GMT -5
Y'know one thing I've been thinking about - when he gets to the main roster, he's not even going to have "size" going for him. He absolutely towers over the NXT roster, a lot of whom are basically gnomes, but he didn't look particularly bigger than Shelton Benjamin on Main Event. Yeah the monster booking just doesn't work for me as it is, would be ridiculous against bigger wrestlers. Of course you can be intimidating without being that big, especially with a supernatural element but he's not doing that either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 1:41:02 GMT -5
I like the fact that he's just a crazy tough guy who wrecks fools after the bell rings.
I mean, what do fans want? Him to hypnotise his opponents in the ring? No thanks.
I am all for gimmicks and characters but I don't want my intelligence insulted. What happens in the ring should always follow the traditional principles of a wrestling match.
Kross as a disciple from hell and then a trained Martial Artist in the ring works for me.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2021 2:27:44 GMT -5
I mean, one would want people to dislike him. The key is investing and believing him. He definitely seems “naked” w/o all the elaborate entrance but I dunno. I buy him as as a self-inflated psycho dick. Dunno if he’s ..mystical dark world-ender he’s been presented as in NXT. Yea presentation is EVERYTHING with him and if they wont be all in on him on that end then there is nothing that is gonna help him it is why I go back to when he first got to NXT and how toneally that they got it right and along the way they just said naw and dropped nearly all of that. He is in the same veign alot of LU alum post LU found themselves in...they get this amazing presentation that make them full blown amazing characters with all the lore and care to their characters...but then they show in other companies and feel like just another roster member. I feel like that's definitely the case, but Kross is one it's hurting a lot more, because I think he's the one who needed the presentation most. Penta isn't as amazing as he was, but the man has swagger for days and a ring style that pulls you in. Fenix can do insane shit. Ricochet's totally f***ed, but you know any other company could take Ricochet and do something amazing with him because great shit was being done with him. "Jake Strong" is actually better off without LU somehow. But with Kross you've guy a guy who's like. He's fine. He's a fine big guy. I guess. That's it. Dude needs presentation to be something because he's not really special without it, because right now he's another roster member but he's not one with any other marketable aspect to him. No or poor presentation is gonna doom this guy, I don't think he's as main roster guaranteed as people think he is. Vince isn't going to have him cosplaying a horseman of the apocalypse.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 25, 2021 3:21:44 GMT -5
With his entrance on Main Event, It's easy to go "Lol, this is what happens when you remove the smoke and mirrors from the smoke and mirrors guy" but...why would you remove the smoke and mirrors from the smoke and mirrors guy?
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Post by Hurbster on Jun 25, 2021 3:29:08 GMT -5
He needs to go full Damian Demento.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2021 3:46:42 GMT -5
With his entrance on Main Event, It's easy to go "Lol, this is what happens when you remove the smoke and mirrors from the smoke and mirrors guy" but...why would you remove the smoke and mirrors from the smoke and mirrors guy? It is weird as what little character the dude has is entirely in his entrance... and.. then you don't do it? It defies all logic.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 25, 2021 5:56:00 GMT -5
I haven’t payed him too much attention but to me he’s coming across as the most overrated IWC darling yet Considering the reaction to him in NXT is mixed at best, I wouldn’t necessarily call him an Internet darling.
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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2021 5:58:30 GMT -5
I haven’t payed him too much attention but to me he’s coming across as the most overrated IWC darling yet If Karrion Kross is an Internet darling, I’m the new lead guitarist of Mumford and Sons.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 25, 2021 6:02:44 GMT -5
Kross always has the feel of the kind of wrestler whom was once in a good tag team with a partner that effectively compensated for his weaknesses that a company then decided to unwisely push as a single. He's perfectly fine as a talent, but he's guy that would far more effectively thrive either with booking that could highlight his strengths or have someone in a tag team that could cut the more interesting promos/do the more engaging ringwork while Kross can look tough and wreck people.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 25, 2021 6:11:22 GMT -5
I feel like the dude needs to take a real acting class because he obviously doesn't understand his own facial expressions
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 25, 2021 6:28:49 GMT -5
Kross always has the feel of the kind of wrestler whom was once in a good tag team with a partner that effectively compensated for his weaknesses that a company then decided to unwisely push as a single. He's perfectly fine as a talent, but he's guy that would far more effectively thrive either with booking that could highlight his strengths or have someone in a tag team that could cut the more interesting promos/do the more engaging ringwork while Kross can look tough and wreck people. AAA and Impact IMO used him best. He is a heavy. Let's him come off ad a badass and limits his exposure. I mean this as a compliment but there is no shame in being booked like Bad Luck Fale. I did like his presentation in vignettes as the White Rabbit in LU, but once he got to the Temple? Him as the leader felt weird. Like Kross isn't bad on the mic, but when paired with the people he has worked against? He does get exposed. Also Kross was absolutely NOT an indy darling. The closest he got to that was how he was treated when he wanted to leave Impact... but neither he or Impact handled that well at all
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