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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 24, 2021 12:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 24, 2021 13:03:54 GMT -5
The thing he says about getting frazzled and worn down into accepting what he's told sounds...well, it sounds like it fits. It fits with what some other wrestlers have said, and his perception that it stopped him from asking questions may well be the point.
Like, Vince's infamous fickleness with booking is likely very genuine, but it's hard not to wonder if the talent are given enough half-truths and evasions that "plans change" is also a way to keep the workers off balance.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 24, 2021 13:07:10 GMT -5
The thing he says about getting frazzled and worn down into accepting what he's told sounds...well, it sounds like it fits. It fits with what some other wrestlers have said, and his perception that it stopped him from asking questions may well be the point. Like, Vince's infamous fickleness with booking is likely very genuine, but it's hard not to wonder if the talent are given enough half-truths and evasions that "plans change" is also a way to keep the workers off balance. Getting "beaten into submissions" to just accept what you are given definitely sounds like WWE. So much for Vince liking people to speak up,except 90% of the time where he doesn't people questioning his plans.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jun 24, 2021 13:16:35 GMT -5
I'm going to be frank, for as long as Vince has been messing with people's careers, I am amazed how few times he's been punched by talent and employees.
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Post by Perd on Jun 24, 2021 13:26:01 GMT -5
They wore the poor guy down. One might could even say they… Tuckered him out.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 24, 2021 13:42:41 GMT -5
It's really sad that post WWE wrestlers seem to need a like degaslightification training after leaving the company.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 24, 2021 14:20:52 GMT -5
They Tucked him over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table.
The company wants to make money.
Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights.
Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:38:37 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table. The company wants to make money. Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights. Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously. I think him looking like a doofus may have been a WWE thing. While some of us go "if they want better, they should have ideas", the last 20-25 years haven't taught wrestlers how to come up with ideas or build their own stuff independently as the philosophy has moved towards the in-ring stuff as the bigger priority with character being something a promotion micromanages. Plus, if you're so low on the card, what are the odds your ideas would even be humored? He only had one character moment after his heel turn on social media altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:39:57 GMT -5
I'll always be pissed about them breaking up Heavy Machinery.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 24, 2021 14:42:32 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table. The company wants to make money. Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights. Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously. Wrestlers talk up and down about having plenty of ideas that never go anywhere and got totally ignored. And in this case, Tucker had an identity and a brand; creative cut him off from it without a ton of reason or any concrete story thread to go by and then just kinda did nothing with him afterward. WWE has a proven track record of not taking people seriously no matter what they bring forward. This is disconnected from what people say post-release. Also they're a business that employs dozens of writers whose job it is to have ideas and manage their roster, why aren't they 'bringing anything to the table'?
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 24, 2021 14:42:54 GMT -5
Tucker needs to understand WWE is a business and a business makes money and without money there's no business, money is a business, business, money, shares everybody, business shares, business. It's simple.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 24, 2021 14:43:33 GMT -5
I'll always be pissed about them breaking up Heavy Machinery. I will be pissed about everything involved Otis People will tries alway to defend"oh he is only a comedy act, he never had a future,i never liked him so he sucked". And I call BS, he was a relatable character that people of all ages loved. The only reason people say "he was just a comedy character"is because WWE completely gutted him. He was very over, there was absolutely no reason to bury him and strip him of everything, hell he could have lost MITB,you didnt even need to make him a main eventer,but you keep him in a prominent spot.There is absolutely no defense to what WWE did to Heavy Machinery. People completely ignore right before the pandemic he was getting the absolute biggest pops in WWE
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Post by Dub H on Jun 24, 2021 14:45:15 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table. The company wants to make money. Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights. Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously. You know WWE also control a lot of the creative side ,including gear. WWE didnt want him to have a brand,they kept him in the dark,they lied to him and made him plain.He HAD an idenity,one that was working wonder,why the f*** does he need to reinvent himself and why the f*** wouldnt creative do their damn job in making him a part of it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:45:23 GMT -5
I'll always be pissed about them breaking up Heavy Machinery. I will be pissed about everything involved Otis People will tries alway to defend"oh he is only a comedy act, he never had a future,i never liked him so he sucked". And I call BS, he was a relatable character that people of all ages loved. The only reason people say "he was just a comedy character"is because WWE completely gutted him. He was very over, there was absolutely no reason to bury him and strip him of everything, hell he could have lost MITB,you didnt even need to make him a main eventer,but you keep him in a prominent spot.There is absolutely no defense to what WWE did to Heavy Machinery. People completely ignore right before the pandemic he was getting the absolute biggest pops in WWE It was really refreshing having a guy who was both sensitive and an ass kicker at the same time. And Tucker was also great as his protective big brother.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2021 14:52:15 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table. The company wants to make money. Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights. Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously. On the main roster, from what we know, there are two creative teams of about 20-30 each. There's also a consultant on both teams leading them who reports to Vince. That doesn't even take to account NXT's creative teams, the producers who consult on matches, the go-betweens, the people like Johnny Ace and HHH who are talent relations people (HHH likely in name only because he's on the board of directors but still) If you have a bunch of people saying that this process, one you think would be easy to navigate with all those resources, is difficult and hard to get through, it's a failure. And if the solution is "come up with your own gimmick and hope it gets approved" with all the resources the company has, it's a massive failure. Hell, we're not even just talking about rookies, people who've been in the company for years, Big Show and Mark Henry, have said the same thing. Batista said the same thing. And they'd know more than literally anyone else on this forum outside of those in actual promotions. Like, this isn't you approaching the head of a training school who also owns the promotion the school represents and pitching an idea so stop acting like it is.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 24, 2021 15:18:43 GMT -5
I'll always be pissed about them breaking up Heavy Machinery. Me too. They break them up to put Otis in ANOTHER Tag team.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 24, 2021 15:21:12 GMT -5
To be honest, most of these wrestlers blame WWE for releasing them when in reality, they were lacking completely on the creative side. They were bringing nothing to the table. The company wants to make money. Tucker split from Otis and came out the next week looking like a local enhancement jobber with those plain black tights. Dust yourself off, think of an identity and build your brand. Then maybe they'll take you seriously. On the main roster, from what we know, there are two creative teams of about 20-30 each. There's also a consultant on both teams leading them who reports to Vince. That doesn't even take to account NXT's creative teams, the producers who consult on matches, the go-betweens, the people like Johnny Ace and HHH who are talent relations people (HHH likely in name only because he's on the board of directors but still) If you have a bunch of people saying that this process, one you think would be easy to navigate with all those resources, is difficult and hard to get through, it's a failure. And if the solution is "come up with your own gimmick and hope it gets approved" with all the resources the company has, it's a massive failure. Hell, we're not even just talking about rookies, people who've been in the company for years, Big Show and Mark Henry, have said the same thing. Batista said the same thing. And they'd know more than literally anyone else on this forum outside of those in actual promotions. Like, this isn't you approaching the head of a training school who also owns the promotion the school represents and pitching an idea so stop acting like it is. I refuse to believe that there are people out there who craft obsessive longform stories for free out of pure love for Grillface, The Man With a Grill For A Face, who appeared in a group shot in My Hero Academia episode 53 with no dialogue and who only got to say "Kiss me, it's grilling time!" in the manga, but WWE's many employees whose job it is to write things can't write anything. And according to people who've been on creative, they are writing things, Vince is just a living obstruction.
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2021 15:32:48 GMT -5
Just to add to the whole "The system of creative is kind of a failure" thing I said...
EDIT: Also, has to be said, she's doing a good job of wanting to get fired from the job she just got.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 24, 2021 15:37:05 GMT -5
One week from now, WWE's like "Got it, we heard your complaints." And fires Kenice and then changes literally nothing about the broken creative system.
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