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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 22, 2021 20:09:05 GMT -5
Some day. Thanks for the WWE memories.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 22, 2021 20:36:11 GMT -5
Not to familiar with his Indy work- But would it be fair to say that Bryan Danielson is NOT Daniel Bryan?. American Dragon Bryan Danielson was a scary beast of a wrestler. I can only imagine a Bryan Danielson left to his own devices, with all his previous skill, along with what he’s learned from The WWE promotion machine, any wrestling fan that doesn’t tune into his first BIG match is really missing out. It’s not going to be like a Punk situation. As an in-ring performer, no one can touch Bryan. Not Omega. Not Okada. He’ll have at least 4 5* matches before the end of this year. These are exciting times. Bryan leaving WWE is going to be like an anime character taking off their weights midway through a fight. Like, he's not really had bad matches in WWE, but they were definitely limiting what he could do and WWE-ifying his style. He's had too many years out of the conversation, and there's plenty of people who have never seen what he can really do. By year's end I think people are going to be singing his praises louder than ever as an all-time generational great.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 22, 2021 20:48:18 GMT -5
If there's any truth to the talk, can you imagine if, wherever he goes, he decides to bring back the Cattle Mutilation as his finisher? He made the LeBell Lock look great in WWE, but Cattle Mutilation was something else.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 22, 2021 20:50:30 GMT -5
If there's any truth to the talk, can you imagine if, wherever he goes, he decides to bring back the Cattle Mutilation as his finisher? He made the LeBell Lock look great in WWE, but Cattle Mutilation was something else. I wouldn't be shocked if he adds something new to mark this time in his career, or at least commits fully to the Heel Hook he was briefly using in his 2018 comeback.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 22, 2021 20:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by Flo360 on Jul 23, 2021 6:43:09 GMT -5
"Sir, we need an theme for Daniel Bryan."
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"Just give him something from the public domain. I'm sure this won'T come back to bite us in the ass!"
EDIT: I know it's probably gonna be Final Countdown, but still that was dumb...Even for them."
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 23, 2021 7:15:51 GMT -5
American Dragon Bryan Danielson was a scary beast of a wrestler. I can only imagine a Bryan Danielson left to his own devices, with all his previous skill, along with what he’s learned from The WWE promotion machine, any wrestling fan that doesn’t tune into his first BIG match is really missing out. It’s not going to be like a Punk situation. As an in-ring performer, no one can touch Bryan. Not Omega. Not Okada. He’ll have at least 4 5* matches before the end of this year. These are exciting times. Bryan leaving WWE is going to be like an anime character taking off their weights midway through a fight. Like, he's not really had bad matches in WWE, but they were definitely limiting what he could do and WWE-ifying his style. He's had too many years out of the conversation, and there's plenty of people who have never seen what he can really do. By year's end I think people are going to be singing his praises louder than ever as an all-time generational great. I’m not seeing that he was very much limited. The guy has 19 4-star or better matches by Meltzer just in the last 3 years working a part-time schedule. Don’t think he’s ever received a 5-star rating from Meltzer for his pre-WWE matches either.
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Jul 23, 2021 7:34:24 GMT -5
If there's any truth to the talk, can you imagine if, wherever he goes, he decides to bring back the Cattle Mutilation as his finisher? He made the LeBell Lock look great in WWE, but Cattle Mutilation was something else. I'm hoping for the "Elbow the f*** out of the guy until he gives up" finisher.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 23, 2021 7:39:01 GMT -5
If there's any truth to the talk, can you imagine if, wherever he goes, he decides to bring back the Cattle Mutilation as his finisher? He made the LeBell Lock look great in WWE, but Cattle Mutilation was something else. I'm hoping for the "Elbow the f*** out of the guy until he gives up" finisher. One of Danielson's specialities as ROH champion was that he made a point of trying to win matches with as many different approaches as possible: Cattle Mutilation, the death elbows until there's a ref stoppage, or, of course, his legendary run as "Mr. Small Package".
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 23, 2021 7:59:24 GMT -5
AEW has done a pretty good job of not having people wrestle every week, less time to fill.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jul 23, 2021 10:29:12 GMT -5
Bryan leaving WWE is going to be like an anime character taking off their weights midway through a fight. Like, he's not really had bad matches in WWE, but they were definitely limiting what he could do and WWE-ifying his style. He's had too many years out of the conversation, and there's plenty of people who have never seen what he can really do. By year's end I think people are going to be singing his praises louder than ever as an all-time generational great. I’m not seeing that he was very much limited. The guy has 19 4-star or better matches by Meltzer just in the last 3 years working a part-time schedule. Don’t think he’s ever received a 5-star rating from Meltzer for his pre-WWE matches either. Meltzer's rating scale has drastically changed over the past decade. If you haven't seen any of his pre-WWE work, do it
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 23, 2021 10:39:18 GMT -5
I’m not seeing that he was very much limited. The guy has 19 4-star or better matches by Meltzer just in the last 3 years working a part-time schedule. Don’t think he’s ever received a 5-star rating from Meltzer for his pre-WWE matches either. Meltzer's rating scale has drastically changed over the past decade. If you haven't seen any of his pre-WWE work, do it Much as I don't like using Meltzer as an objective measure, I'm a huge Bryan fan, his ROH title reign is my favorite title reign ever, and...I dunno, he changed for WWE, but it was more adaptation than watering down, and I think that Meltzer's quirks as a critic are good for capturing that. I can't honestly say that I feel like he was any less as a wrestler in their system or that he was holding back, he just took a different approach with the same considerable skillset. He might get to a new level in NJPW just by way of the match times and opponents he'd get to work with, but in AEW, he'd probably be having more creative matches that still mostly built on his WWE style because a lot of the changes he made to his style were good ones for weekly TV with shorter matches.
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Post by RedSmile on Jul 23, 2021 10:43:18 GMT -5
Somebody is gonna get their f***ing head kicked in!
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Post by mrpeacock on Jul 23, 2021 11:03:23 GMT -5
I'm hoping for the "Elbow the f*** out of the guy until he gives up" finisher. One of Danielson's specialities as ROH champion was that he made a point of trying to win matches with as many different approaches as possible: Cattle Mutilation, the death elbows until there's a ref stoppage, or, of course, his legendary run as "Mr. Small Package". He beat I wanna say Alex Shelley with an airplane spin at an IWA show when he spun him so much it made Alex Shelley sick and run to the back about to puke.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jul 23, 2021 11:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 23, 2021 11:21:37 GMT -5
So that seems to indicate something at least. They never seemed to have an issue with having an outdated roster before
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 23, 2021 15:31:23 GMT -5
Bryan leaving WWE is going to be like an anime character taking off their weights midway through a fight. Like, he's not really had bad matches in WWE, but they were definitely limiting what he could do and WWE-ifying his style. He's had too many years out of the conversation, and there's plenty of people who have never seen what he can really do. By year's end I think people are going to be singing his praises louder than ever as an all-time generational great. I’m not seeing that he was very much limited. The guy has 19 4-star or better matches by Meltzer just in the last 3 years working a part-time schedule. Don’t think he’s ever received a 5-star rating from Meltzer for his pre-WWE matches either. He was stellar within WWE's style, but he did pull back significantly on a lot of his stuff. Especially a lot of the more deep technical stuff that just doesn't show up very often outside of NXT, and some splashes of lucha style. He's a lot more versatile than he got to show off and it's a testament to what he could do that he thrived in WWE so hard, but he hasn't been able to work the modern New Japan/indies big match style, certain storytelling sensibilities that don't really have a place in WWE, that kind of stuff. And funny enough one of the biggest criticisms of Meltzer's scale has been that he never gave any of a plethora of Danielson ROH matches the nod. But part of what he thrives in I think is just doing f***ing weird shit. There's the mention above of his different ways to win matches and having a finish by Airplane Spin stoppage. But there's also stuff like when he showed up on that Saturday morning kids show, rolled up into a ball against Tyson Kidd, and infuriated him. He has a proclivity toward doing a lot of really unique and strange stuff, and being creative with wrestling in ways that transcend just "this'll be so cool and epic", and that sensibility coming back to a place where matches can be weird can only do him good.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 23, 2021 15:38:36 GMT -5
I’m not seeing that he was very much limited. The guy has 19 4-star or better matches by Meltzer just in the last 3 years working a part-time schedule. Don’t think he’s ever received a 5-star rating from Meltzer for his pre-WWE matches either. He was stellar within WWE's style, but he did pull back significantly on a lot of his stuff. Especially a lot of the more deep technical stuff that just doesn't show up very often outside of NXT, and some splashes of lucha style. He's a lot more versatile than he got to show off and it's a testament to what he could do that he thrived in WWE so hard, but he hasn't been able to work the modern New Japan/indies big match style, certain storytelling sensibilities that don't really have a place in WWE, that kind of stuff. And funny enough one of the biggest criticisms of Meltzer's scale has been that he never gave any of a plethora of Danielson ROH matches the nod. But part of what he thrives in I think is just doing f***ing weird shit. There's the mention above of his different ways to win matches and having a finish by Airplane Spin stoppage. But there's also stuff like when he showed up on that Saturday morning kids show, rolled up into a ball against Tyson Kidd, and infuriated him. He has a proclivity toward doing a lot of really unique and strange stuff, and being creative with wrestling in ways that transcend just "this'll be so cool and epic", and that sensibility coming back to a place where matches can be weird can only do him good. I still kind of think that Meltzer's "scale breaker" moment was realizing that a match like Okada/Omega I could happen on a major card in a huge venue that had wide exposure in the west. I think his love of Kings' Road style from 90s AJPW combined with a feeling of "Oh my God, a lot more other people are seeing this as it happens, not just old tape traders!" got him super excited to the point where it might've meant more to him than some of those classic Misawa/Kawada matches or Danielson's masterpieces from back in the day.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 23, 2021 16:20:39 GMT -5
I tend to believe this is true. He did everything the right way and put over everyone he could, including WWE's top star, which is usually a good indication someone is on their way out. I think he knows it's now or never to do the NJPW/Tokyo Dome stuff he's been talking up for years and at the same time he gets to be a part of helping further build a fresh company. Will be interesting to see what kind of schedule he works.
As for WWE, there's an open spot for a top fan favorite babyface. I'd love to see Big E stake his claim to that as I know he's someone Bryan advocated for really hard as part of the creative team.
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