|
Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 22, 2021 4:02:59 GMT -5
Most of these posts are about Charlotte, but at this point being mad about the Charlotte Status Quo is yelling at a bear for shitting in the woods. The absolute hatchet job this was on Nikki is the way bigger crime, to me. They brought this character in, made it absolutely terrible even though there were about nine different ways to fix, and found the worst possible path to book her from the standpoints of both credibility and of actual integrity to the ideas of the character. Her title win is fluky and tainted, she can't win for the life of her past that, and she's become an absolute joke. She's already dead in the water.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,468
|
Post by Dub H on Aug 22, 2021 4:10:41 GMT -5
Most of these posts are about Charlotte, but at this point being mad about the Charlotte Status Quo is yelling at a bear for shitting in the woods. The absolute hatchet job this was on Nikki is the way bigger crime, to me. They brought this character in, made it absolutely terrible even though there were about nine different ways to fix, and found the worst possible path to book her from the standpoints of both credibility and of actual integrity to the ideas of the character. Her title win is fluky and tainted, she can't win for the life of her past that, and she's become an absolute joke. She's already dead in the water. I will never understand why WWE loves have people win the MITB ,cash in and insteas of building credibily,they make sure they lose every match and look like loser that would never win without the MITB
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 245,274
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 22, 2021 4:32:37 GMT -5
Most of these posts are about Charlotte, but at this point being mad about the Charlotte Status Quo is yelling at a bear for shitting in the woods. The absolute hatchet job this was on Nikki is the way bigger crime, to me. They brought this character in, made it absolutely terrible even though there were about nine different ways to fix, and found the worst possible path to book her from the standpoints of both credibility and of actual integrity to the ideas of the character. Her title win is fluky and tainted, she can't win for the life of her past that, and she's become an absolute joke. She's already dead in the water. Turns out when everyone said "Well Nikki's f***ed" the second she showed up in that getup... well they were right... but it actually might've been better if she was just a jobber than disappeared than what they actually did to her. It's just sad and disappointing on so many levels..
|
|
|
Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 22, 2021 7:19:21 GMT -5
I thought for sure we were building towards Nikki vs Alexa for the title.
Because that feud writes itself and makes sense which is what we generally don't do in WWE.
|
|
|
Post by mistery on Aug 22, 2021 7:39:45 GMT -5
I thought for sure we were building towards Nikki vs Alexa for the title. Because that feud writes itself and makes sense which is what we generally don't do in WWE. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I didn't see that feud happening at all. Both are babyfaces (even if Nikki gets more boos than cheers), and we've seen them run the Nikki/Alexa match into the ground during the course of the pandemic. Also you really do not want Alexa near the title scene considering what happened whenever The Fiend was champion would almost certainly apply to Alexa as well. There's also the problem of Alexa having constant injury scares keeping her from ever really being pushed to the top again. I felt like if Nikki had retained last night, it was going to be to either drop the title back to Charlotte in a singles match, or drop it to someone new very shortly after Summerslam (which would have been the better choice). That's not to say I agree with Charlotte winning the title, because we all know she's gonna lose it again probably by the next PPV at the latest, so she can win it back shortly after to pad her reign count. Because it seems like with Ric Flair likely showing up in AEW sooner rather than later, WWE wants to have her break his record in response to that. And then she'll probably leave soon after that since its pretty obvious she's thinking of leaving WWE if you've seen her behavior outside of the ring over the past couple of months. But I went off on a tangent there. Basically Charlotte winning the title from Nikki ASH does not shock me as it was blatantly a move to add another reign to her record. The problem is that we went from one really awful champion in Nikki ASH back to Charlotte who isn't much better. But as for the Nikki ASH gimmick, it'll either be quietly retired over the next few months as she will start losing way more, or she'll end up released, because keep in mind, this gimmick was entirely her idea, and she even bragged about how all of this was her idea. Which shows that sometimes "creative freedom" isn't always a good thing.
|
|
|
Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 22, 2021 7:44:19 GMT -5
She literally won the belt entirely so that Charlotte can have title win #13. They wasted the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, utterly buried Nikki, and turned Rhea Ripley into an afterthought just to put Charlotte over AGAIN.
Last night was the first time I've watched WWE in about 2 years, and it reminded me why I stopped watching.
|
|
|
Post by polarbearpete on Aug 22, 2021 8:24:38 GMT -5
I HATE Charlotte's booking and WWE character Saying she has no fans or no crowd reaction just isn't correct. Sometimes she gets go away heat. Tonight crowd gave no reaction to win Were we watching different matches? She was the heel and the crowd was still cheering for her over Nikki.
|
|
mc74
Samurai Cop
Posts: 2,439
|
Post by mc74 on Aug 22, 2021 11:17:55 GMT -5
From the moment Nikki won the title from Charlotte, it was pretty obvious where they were going with this. Nikki winning the championship was nothing more than a means to help fast-track Charlotte to being a 16-time Women's Champion.
I feel really bad for Nikki here. She was done in a lot worse than Rey was when he was WHC.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 22, 2021 11:22:16 GMT -5
Based on reactions and reports from house shows I get the impression WWE is shocked that fans fine the ASH character lame and are blaming Nikki for it rather than the writing
|
|
dav
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 6,067
Member is Online
|
Post by dav on Aug 22, 2021 11:28:42 GMT -5
Based on reactions and reports from house shows I get the impression WWE is shocked that fans fine the ASH character lame and are blaming Nikki for it rather than the writing They really are this brought to life:
|
|
|
Post by mistery on Aug 22, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -5
Based on reactions and reports from house shows I get the impression WWE is shocked that fans fine the ASH character lame and are blaming Nikki for it rather than the writing I mean...if what Nikki has said in the past is true, this character and the way she is portrayed is entirely her idea. If that's the case, then it really isn't on WWE for once. I'm sure they could have laid out her matches better, but this character was never going to get over, no matter how much "creative freedom" she had. There's a reason why (almost) superheroes in wrestling are never portrayed as actual serious threats.
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 22, 2021 11:53:55 GMT -5
Based on reactions and reports from house shows I get the impression WWE is shocked that fans fine the ASH character lame and are blaming Nikki for it rather than the writing I mean...if what Nikki has said in the past is true, this character and the way she is portrayed is entirely her idea. If that's the case, then it really isn't on WWE for once. If true then I will say she needs to meet kids cause most seem to think she is lame. Like legit when did the belief that kids are morons start?
|
|
|
Post by mistery on Aug 22, 2021 11:57:20 GMT -5
I mean...if what Nikki has said in the past is true, this character and the way she is portrayed is entirely her idea. If that's the case, then it really isn't on WWE for once. If true then I will say she needs to meet kids cause most seem to think she is lame. Like legit when did the belief that kids are morons start? No idea, but I distinctly remember Nikki talking about how this character came to be. She had art drawn up (which she and Killian posted on twitter at one point), had the costume made, and then she pitched the idea to Vince, using statistics (citing various other women as superheroes and the buzz they got) to back up her point and why she should have creative input on it. He agreed to her pitch and off the races we went with this character. The whole "it panders to kids" thing is a narrative made up by people trying to spin it as a unique and good gimmick, when it was painfully clear audience members weren't engaged with it.
|
|
Totorob101
Hank Scorpio
Glob Glob Glob
Posts: 5,818
|
Post by Totorob101 on Aug 22, 2021 12:51:29 GMT -5
Nikki has to take some blame as she seems to assume kids would love her idea and that dressing up goofy as a second rate so called superhero would be an inspiration to them. People love characters with an edge,a hint of darkness and a badass attitude,none of which she has.Nikki Ash is a pandering soft and all to pure goody good which noone likes,she either has to get rid of the gimmick entirely or go darker with the character,be more badass rather then a soft touch.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,468
|
Post by Dub H on Aug 22, 2021 12:59:46 GMT -5
Nikki: I could be a super hero.
Vince: alright ,you can be a hero wannabe that is a loser.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,468
|
Post by Dub H on Aug 22, 2021 13:01:16 GMT -5
I thought for sure we were building towards Nikki vs Alexa for the title. Because that feud writes itself and makes sense which is what we generally don't do in WWE. The natural story was having Nikki trying to snap off Alexa as she is her best friend. But WWE doesnt do stories or emotions.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Aug 22, 2021 13:30:51 GMT -5
Nikki came up with the gimmick, but I highly doubt she came up with "Book me to be awful against Charlotte and Rhea, have my title win be a complete fluke, have me keep losing again and again after that until I unceremoniously drop the belt back to Charlotte." That's 1000% WWE's writing.
|
|
Chiral
Salacious Crumb
Posts: 76,597
|
Post by Chiral on Aug 22, 2021 13:42:19 GMT -5
Can't wait for CHarlotte's fourteenth "oH oYOYUUUuuoOU GuYuySSSS THOuogughT THIS!!!!! NIKIIIIIIIiiI WAS UHHHHHH SUPERHERROOOooOooOoOOOOO? Weelele IIIIIiiiiIII ProooOOOOVeedd YOU wronnngngngn" '
Then Nikki comes out and is like pumping her arms like "I......did my best! .....I believed.....in myself!!!!!! I.....ALMOST won!!!!!! And that's....what it means.....to be ALMOST a superhero!"
Then Charlotte beats her down for 20 minutes
|
|
|
Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 22, 2021 13:43:34 GMT -5
Based on reactions and reports from house shows I get the impression WWE is shocked that fans fine the ASH character lame and are blaming Nikki for it rather than the writing I mean...if what Nikki has said in the past is true, this character and the way she is portrayed is entirely her idea. If that's the case, then it really isn't on WWE for once. I'm sure they could have laid out her matches better, but this character was never going to get over, no matter how much "creative freedom" she had. There's a reason why (almost) superheroes in wrestling are never portrayed as actual serious threats. If it's the case that all of this as this is her idea, down to how weirdly infantilizing it is--which nah, that has Vince fingerprints all over it--then it's their job to step in and retool things to find a way that works for it. Nikki is over, even if people don't want to hear it when she starts talking about her butterfly. That's the writing process, and their decision to not do it is still in every way on them. They're also the ones who booked her to be made an absolute joke of by both her opponents, so they weren't exactly giving her the smoothest shot with this.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 22, 2021 13:56:59 GMT -5
Nikki has to take some blame as she seems to assume kids would love her idea and that dressing up goofy as a second rate so called superhero would be an inspiration to them. Eh, I don't know. Like, yeah, Nikki came up with the idea, sure, but she has no power about how it's put together after that likely how the costume looked and such because there are too many cooks where that would be allowed to happen. I'd say if she did the gimmick in Impact, for example, I reckon the costume would be a lot cooler and they'd put a bit of a supernatural element to it with how that company works with Decay and such. EDIT: I mean, Nikki is going to say it's her idea because that's likely what she was told to say. You're expecting me to believe they'd let Nikki Cross have full creative control over her idea? In World Wrestling Entertainment? Come on now.
|
|