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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 7:31:51 GMT -5
Give me Rhea and Nikki vs. Shotzi and Nox!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 11:19:43 GMT -5
Might need someone to translate what Nikki said.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 24, 2021 11:29:22 GMT -5
Again the issue is there is a compelling story in there somewhere... and honestly it's not hard to write. I just get the feeling the powers that be just don't care enough. I think its obvious Vince doesn't care but he also seems to only focus on a few specific acts and he's around more for final approval for the rest of the card. But whoever is writing this stuff for Nikki CLEARLY doesn't care.
Of course it doesn't help that Nikki ain't a great promo, but man even when they shared her tweet about not giving up it just read lame
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2021 13:14:24 GMT -5
I wonder if the issue is they think Nikki ASH is an everywoman, just like they thought Otis was an everyman.
Thing is, Vince thinks the average person is a dumb loser, which... of course he does, which is why he doesn't give a shit about honoring stipulations or delivering matches or wrestlers he announces will be there for shows. Wrestling fans are dumbass marks to him, so of course we're supposed to find losers who are ineffectual endearing.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 26, 2021 17:45:08 GMT -5
The way they’ve managed to mess up Rhea so quickly has been depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 7:47:05 GMT -5
The way they’ve managed to mess up Rhea so quickly has been depressing. Thing are far from perfect, but after the rough start on the main roster I think she's currently doing much better than I thought she would.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 9:09:14 GMT -5
Might need someone to translate what Nikki said. Didn't click on the video, but the thumbnail alone is embarrassing. If Nikki actually thought of that gimmick on her own, then damn, she was better off with less TV time in that case.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 27, 2021 9:26:10 GMT -5
Might need someone to translate what Nikki said. Didn't click on the video, but the thumbnail alone is embarrassing. If Nikki actually thought of that gimmick on her own, then damn, she was better off with less TV time in that case. I haven't clicked on the video either and I already feel bad for Rhea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 10:04:45 GMT -5
Well, gosh. I think the team could be fun anyway! As long as they don't cut a whole lot of promos.
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Post by mistery on Aug 27, 2021 10:06:18 GMT -5
Honestly in terms of "people who have been screwed over" the most over the past year on RAW when it comes to the women, it's probably something like this:
1) Asuka - She can't even get TV time now (while every other woman on RAW does), and she's been taking losses left and right since the start of the year, even while she was champion.
2) Nikki ASH - She got the world's worst almost a superhero gimmick.
3) Rhea Ripley - She at least won at Wrestlemania and regularly gets TV time, even if she's basically Charlotte's punching bag.
4) Everyone Else - Everyone else is just a bit player in the "Lets make Charlotte look strong" department.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2021 10:08:18 GMT -5
Might need someone to translate what Nikki said. Didn't click on the video, but the thumbnail alone is embarrassing. If Nikki actually thought of that gimmick on her own, then damn, she was better off with less TV time in that case. Nah. Pretty sure if you gave 95% of the talent the choice between rotting at home/backstage or that gimmic, they'd put the costume on in a heartbeat. If absolutely nothing else, she has the ability to add "Former WWE Women's Champion" to he resume should she go elsewhere.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2021 10:10:22 GMT -5
Honestly in terms of "people who have been screwed over" the most over the past year on RAW when it comes to the women, it's probably something like this: 1) Asuka - She can't even get TV time now (while every other woman on RAW does), and she's been taking losses left and right since the start of the year, even while she was champion. 2) Nikki ASH - She got the world's worst almost a superhero gimmick. 3) Rhea Ripley - She at least won at Wrestlemania and regularly gets TV time, even if she's basically Charlotte's punching bag. 4) Everyone Else - Everyone else is just a bit player in the "Lets make Charlotte look strong" department. And last year it was BOTH divisions being dunked on by Sasha and Bayley for months in the name of a feud that failed to deliver and that nobody wanted anymore. The 4 Horsewomen, for as good as they are, are worse than the Cliq circa 1995
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Post by mistery on Aug 27, 2021 10:31:21 GMT -5
Honestly in terms of "people who have been screwed over" the most over the past year on RAW when it comes to the women, it's probably something like this: 1) Asuka - She can't even get TV time now (while every other woman on RAW does), and she's been taking losses left and right since the start of the year, even while she was champion. 2) Nikki ASH - She got the world's worst almost a superhero gimmick. 3) Rhea Ripley - She at least won at Wrestlemania and regularly gets TV time, even if she's basically Charlotte's punching bag. 4) Everyone Else - Everyone else is just a bit player in the "Lets make Charlotte look strong" department. And last year it was BOTH divisions being dunked on by Sasha and Bayley for months in the name of a feud that failed to deliver and that nobody wanted anymore. The 4 Horsewomen, for as good as they are, are worse than the Cliq circa 1995 Yup. And if it wasn't painfully apparent, it should be now. With Becky and Charlotte will be dominating the scene, and RAW basically going back to the pre-Asuka callup days of booking, where the only women who matter are Charlotte and Alexa. Where on Smackdown it's going to eventually just revolve around Becky, Bayley, and Sasha. And even if Sasha is moved to RAW, I won't care since she's done quite a number on herself public perception wise as of late (the COVID drama being the biggest one), and she'll just flatten the RAW Women's Division even further. As it stands, the main roster women's division is looking the worst its ever been, with Smackdown turning into the Becky show, and RAW being the Charlotte Flair show (feat whatever woman of the month she's squashing to regain her title so she can pad her numbers). Sad thing is, I can see the backlash to the Nikki ASH gimmick being the reason why they are running right back to the 4HW running over everything, even though in reality its just because the Nikki ASH gimmick sucked. But then you had women like Asuka, Naomi, Liv, etc who can't get on TV at all.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 27, 2021 10:37:10 GMT -5
And last year it was BOTH divisions being dunked on by Sasha and Bayley for months in the name of a feud that failed to deliver and that nobody wanted anymore. The 4 Horsewomen, for as good as they are, are worse than the Cliq circa 1995 Yup. And if it wasn't painfully apparent, it should be now. With Becky and Charlotte will be dominating the scene, and RAW basically going back to the pre-Asuka callup days of booking, where the only women who matter are Charlotte and Alexa. Where on Smackdown it's going to eventually just revolve around Becky, Bayley, and Sasha. And even if Sasha is moved to RAW, I won't care since she's done quite a number on herself public perception wise as of late (the COVID drama being the biggest one), and she'll just flatten the RAW Women's Division even further. As it stands, the main roster women's division is looking the worst its ever been, with Smackdown turning into the Becky show, and RAW being the Charlotte Flair show (feat whatever woman of the month she's squashing to regain her title so she can pad her numbers). Sad thing is, I can see the backlash to the Nikki ASH gimmick being the reason why they are running right back to the 4HW running over everything, even though in reality its just because the Nikki ASH gimmick sucked. But then you had women like Asuka, Naomi, Liv, etc who can't get on TV at all. I could be wrong but I also think aside from Becky the other 3 have had a number done on their popularity. Not saying they aren't good or don't move the needle but I'd argue after Becky the most popular women are Bianca, Rhea (finally), and Alexa, and Asuska. I've also heard enough stories on Sasha that make me think she is not the most pleasant person to be around
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 10:42:57 GMT -5
Yup. And if it wasn't painfully apparent, it should be now. With Becky and Charlotte will be dominating the scene, and RAW basically going back to the pre-Asuka callup days of booking, where the only women who matter are Charlotte and Alexa. Where on Smackdown it's going to eventually just revolve around Becky, Bayley, and Sasha. And even if Sasha is moved to RAW, I won't care since she's done quite a number on herself public perception wise as of late (the COVID drama being the biggest one), and she'll just flatten the RAW Women's Division even further. As it stands, the main roster women's division is looking the worst its ever been, with Smackdown turning into the Becky show, and RAW being the Charlotte Flair show (feat whatever woman of the month she's squashing to regain her title so she can pad her numbers). Sad thing is, I can see the backlash to the Nikki ASH gimmick being the reason why they are running right back to the 4HW running over everything, even though in reality its just because the Nikki ASH gimmick sucked. But then you had women like Asuka, Naomi, Liv, etc who can't get on TV at all. I could be wrong but I also think aside from Becky the other 3 have had a number done on their popularity. Not saying they aren't good or don't move the needle but I'd argue after Becky the most popular women are Bianca, Rhea (finally), and Alexa, and Asuska. I've also heard enough stories on Sasha that make me think she is not the most pleasant person to be around If we're including women who aren't active at the moment, I'd replace Rhea with Bayley or Naomi as far as popularity goes.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 27, 2021 11:20:27 GMT -5
How WWE looked at a woman like Rhea and went “nah just feed her to Charlotte over and over again and then stick In a comedy team with Nikki” is beyond me? Rhea should have beaten Charlotte this time around, it’s that simple.
And now Raw feels as boring as ever because it’s the same old Charlotte Flair show as always.
Honestly Summerslam was depressing in general because it felt like WWE hit the giant “reset” button on both women’s division when they did not need to.
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Post by mistery on Aug 27, 2021 14:15:21 GMT -5
I would say that putting the MITB case on Nikki was the first real mistake they made. Especially since absolutely no one took Nikki seriously, and nor did WWE ever book her like an actual threat. Especially when you had women who were actually over in that match like Asuka and Liv who would have done a lot more with that case.
The rumored Queen of the Ring tournament is their next chance to make someone a star, or rebuild someone (in the case of Asuka), but I have a feeling the champions will be allowed to compete in it, resulting in a Charlotte vs Becky match at Crown Jewel or something.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Aug 27, 2021 14:32:19 GMT -5
Well, gosh. I think the team could be fun anyway! As long as they don't cut a whole lot of promos. Yeah Nikki & Rhea as a tag team for a while could be very fun
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Aug 28, 2021 1:00:56 GMT -5
They should give one of their performance center women the name "Diana" or something. She can team with Rhea and they can be team Dia-Rhea.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 28, 2021 23:51:21 GMT -5
I would say that putting the MITB case on Nikki was the first real mistake they made. Especially since absolutely no one took Nikki seriously, and nor did WWE ever book her like an actual threat. Especially when you had women who were actually over in that match like Asuka and Liv who would have done a lot more with that case. The rumored Queen of the Ring tournament is their next chance to make someone a star, or rebuild someone (in the case of Asuka), but I have a feeling the champions will be allowed to compete in it, resulting in a Charlotte vs Becky match at Crown Jewel or something. See I don't think there's anything wrong with giving her the Briefcase... just have her then hold on to it and build it up.
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