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Post by schma on Sept 30, 2021 10:01:05 GMT -5
the final itself was good but man why do they hate Thanos so much? To be fair, he murdered half a universe.
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Post by schma on Sept 30, 2021 10:02:30 GMT -5
RDJ is just waiting for Disney to buy the rights to Dragonball Z. Then 3045 episodes later he'll be back with Uncle Ben and Krillin. 3044 of those episodes will be someone powering up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 13:44:17 GMT -5
the final itself was good but man why do they hate Thanos so much? Because he's pretty much the only person ever that's actually worse than Hitler without exaggeration?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 13:51:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Interesting idea but sadly it retcons a huge plot point from a massive event in the comics about 5 years ago. I know, they likely don't give a crap about that since the comics aren't the money maker anymore but for me it's a bit disappointing.
Hickman's run on Avengers introduced a threat to the multiverse where universes were colliding with one another and the only way for a universe to survive was to destroy the other Earth. Some gathered the infinity gems in an attempt to use them to do that but when they did the gems were temporarily destroyed as they were technically in the other universe which would have had its own gems. So, Ultron shouldn't really be able to use those gems in other universes. Then again, there may well be a comic I'm forgetting that contradicts this. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Either way, while it is interesting, I don't know that What If needed something like a multiversal threat and tying together all its episodes. It's an anthology and that's okay.
Spoiler number one: What happens in the comics has nothing to do with the MCU. Even when they do a multiverse thing in the comics, its a different multiverse than the MCU. Spoiler number 3 (I don't think there was actually a second one): Part of the point of this show is to introduce multiverse stuff for the MCU. Its not supposed to be completely one off shit, they're introducing characters they're gonna keep using.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 1, 2021 14:01:32 GMT -5
the final itself was good but man why do they hate Thanos so much? Because he's pretty much the only person ever that's actually worse than Hitler without exaggeration? just to be clear,I mena the writers every time Thanos was used was pretty much as a joke,poor man went from Space Titan Unstoppable force to pretty much a Jobber
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 1, 2021 14:45:15 GMT -5
Because he's pretty much the only person ever that's actually worse than Hitler without exaggeration? just to be clear,I mena the writers every time Thanos was used was pretty much as a joke,poor man went from Space Titan Unstoppable force to pretty much a Jobber The way I see it is at some point in the coming years we'll see an uneasy alliance between the heroes and a Thanos variant to fight against Kang. This is laying the groundwork for that, establishing that he can be reasonable (being talked down from his quest by T'Challa) and vulnerable ebough against antagonists on his own level that the eventual payoff won't simply be Thanos vs. Kang with the heroes reduced to mere onlookers.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 1, 2021 15:28:30 GMT -5
just to be clear,I mena the writers every time Thanos was used was pretty much as a joke,poor man went from Space Titan Unstoppable force to pretty much a Jobber The way I see it is at some point in the coming years we'll see an uneasy alliance between the heroes and a Thanos variant to fight against Kang. This is laying the groundwork for that, establishing that he can be reasonable (being talked down from his quest by T'Challa) and vulnerable ebough against antagonists on his own level that the eventual payoff won't simply be Thanos vs. Kang with the heroes reduced to mere onlookers. I mean,Thanos got one shotted by Ultron while having 4 stones doesnt feel like a big deal to help against any big threat. There is a way to makea character feel vulnerable and human while not stripping him of his dignity and personality.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 1, 2021 16:44:08 GMT -5
I mean,Thanos got one shotted by Ultron while having 4 stones doesnt feel like a big deal to help against any big threat. There is a way to makea character feel vulnerable and human while not stripping him of his dignity and personality. I just see that as a limitation of the runtime. With a longer show they'd certainly have had a battle, but Ultron catching him completely off guard works too.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 1, 2021 16:56:00 GMT -5
I mean,Thanos got one shotted by Ultron while having 4 stones doesnt feel like a big deal to help against any big threat. There is a way to makea character feel vulnerable and human while not stripping him of his dignity and personality. I just see that as a limitation of the runtime. With a longer show they'd certainly have had a battle, but Ultron catching him completely off guard works too. Well to be fair they showed that Thor almost killed Thanos when he had four at one point as well. Like Thanos said, Thor should have gone for the head. Ultron just happened to have the means and is no nonsense enough to do just that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 1, 2021 17:16:21 GMT -5
I just see that as a limitation of the runtime. With a longer show they'd certainly have had a battle, but Ultron catching him completely off guard works too. Well to be fair they showed that Thor almost killed Thanos when he had four at one point as well. Like Thanos said, Thor should have gone for the head. Ultron just happened to have the means and is no nonsense enough to do just that. Correction - Thor almost killed him when he had all the stones. Plus merely having the stones doesn't mean anything if they're not actively in use.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 1, 2021 17:29:34 GMT -5
I just see that as a limitation of the runtime. With a longer show they'd certainly have had a battle, but Ultron catching him completely off guard works too. Well to be fair they showed that Thor almost killed Thanos when he had four at one point as well. Like Thanos said, Thor should have gone for the head. Ultron just happened to have the means and is no nonsense enough to do just that. Sure,but in a surprise attack where he did not kill.I will be fair and say Thor's Weapon is equivalent to Vision+Ultron in terms of sheer strenght to be able to kill him. Thanos just walked up and died like a chump.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Oct 1, 2021 18:36:57 GMT -5
just to be clear,I mena the writers every time Thanos was used was pretty much as a joke,poor man went from Space Titan Unstoppable force to pretty much a Jobber The way I see it is at some point in the coming years we'll see an uneasy alliance between the heroes and a Thanos variant to fight against Kang. This is laying the groundwork for that, establishing that he can be reasonable (being talked down from his quest by T'Challa) and vulnerable ebough against antagonists on his own level that the eventual payoff won't simply be Thanos vs. Kang with the heroes reduced to mere onlookers. I misread this as "the heroes and Thanos vs. Kane." This is something that I want now.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Oct 1, 2021 19:03:20 GMT -5
So the divergent point in this episode would seem to be that Christine accompanies Strange to the banquet instead of him going alone/meeting her there. So then why is her death set in stone? Couldnt his tampering change the timeline to one where like the sacred timeline where he is alone and gets hurt? I saw it as her death is set in stone BECAUSE it’s the divergent point. If that doesn’t happen, that universe can’t exist. If that universe can’t exist, Strange never goes back to save her. Basically, he may have created new universes where she did survive, but HIS universe (the one we watched), she had to die.
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Post by schma on Oct 2, 2021 2:22:02 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Interesting idea but sadly it retcons a huge plot point from a massive event in the comics about 5 years ago. I know, they likely don't give a crap about that since the comics aren't the money maker anymore but for me it's a bit disappointing.
Hickman's run on Avengers introduced a threat to the multiverse where universes were colliding with one another and the only way for a universe to survive was to destroy the other Earth. Some gathered the infinity gems in an attempt to use them to do that but when they did the gems were temporarily destroyed as they were technically in the other universe which would have had its own gems. So, Ultron shouldn't really be able to use those gems in other universes. Then again, there may well be a comic I'm forgetting that contradicts this. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Either way, while it is interesting, I don't know that What If needed something like a multiversal threat and tying together all its episodes. It's an anthology and that's okay.
Spoiler number one: What happens in the comics has nothing to do with the MCU. Even when they do a multiverse thing in the comics, its a different multiverse than the MCU. Spoiler number 3 (I don't think there was actually a second one): Part of the point of this show is to introduce multiverse stuff for the MCU. Its not supposed to be completely one off shit, they're introducing characters they're gonna keep using.
Funny thing is the MCU is actually in the comics multiverse, they assigned it a number and acknowledged it. That said, I'm the first one to defend that things will be different in the movies because it's different media and what works for one doesn't necessarily work for the other. As long as they keep the spirit of it intact, go to town. That's why it was more of a minor annoyance that me being super bothered by it.
Yeah not sure why the second spoiler was there.
I could see them wanting to bring in alternate characters and that makes sense since they're using other series to set things up for the movies like Wandavision and Loki. I think I went into it though with the idea that it was more of a fun what if like the comics. If this gets Hayley Atwell in another Marvel Movie though, I can get on board.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 3, 2021 1:57:27 GMT -5
My current theory: The season finale will be “What If…..The Watcher Interfered?” Did I call it?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 5, 2021 12:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by chrom on Oct 5, 2021 17:50:46 GMT -5
So after What If is there anything next or are we on hiatus until Eternals?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 5, 2021 17:58:09 GMT -5
So after What If is there anything next or are we on hiatus until Eternals? I believe nothing until Eternals. Then it’s Hawkeye, Spider-Man for sure. I’m sure there will be a series in between Spider-Man and Doctor Strange but nothings been confirmed yet
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Post by cosmo on Oct 5, 2021 19:25:39 GMT -5
So the divergent point in this episode would seem to be that Christine accompanies Strange to the banquet instead of him going alone/meeting her there. So then why is her death set in stone? Couldnt his tampering change the timeline to one where like the sacred timeline where he is alone and gets hurt? I saw it as her death is set in stone BECAUSE it’s the divergent point. If that doesn’t happen, that universe can’t exist. If that universe can’t exist, Strange never goes back to save her. Basically, he may have created new universes where she did survive, but HIS universe (the one we watched), she had to die.
Kinda reminds me of something they alluded to in the Guy Pearce version of The Time Machine, where he started time traveling to save his fiance from being killed by a mugger. But no matter how many times he went back to save her, she'd always end up dying in some different fashion. Near the end of the movie, they pretty much said the universe itself was finding ways to make sure she stayed dead to avoid a paradox, because if she lived, the time machine would never have been built to start with.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 5, 2021 19:29:57 GMT -5
So after What If is there anything next or are we on hiatus until Eternals? I believe nothing until Eternals. Then it’s Hawkeye, Spider-Man for sure. I’m sure there will be a series in between Spider-Man and Doctor Strange but nothings been confirmed yet It's probable Ms Marvel will be plugged into that slot, but it depends on the Star Wars schedule. Book of Boba Fett will run through January, and Mando season 3 is on schedule for an "early 2022" release, according to Jon Favreau. In any case, Ms Marvel is almost ready to go, so that will definitely be next. Moon Knight and She-Hulk look likely to premiere in the first half of next year, so we'll have to keep our eyes peeled for them.
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