mattperiolat
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 11, 2021 8:30:51 GMT -5
Well, good news, bad news situation.
Good news - this was a lot of fun! Always great that Atwell is getting work, even in VO and the story was a bit of Saturday morning fun. Certainly served me well to rewatch Cap last night too to set up and catch all the turns.
Bad news - we have an unanswered question: How seriously am I supposed to take this? If this is just a fun what if story, then hate to say it, but pretty disposable. If it’s meant to be taken seriously, especially after Loki, then my brain starts to hurt because there’s a lot of other changes made beyond just the one. And logically, this is A universe that has changed, not THE universe. Means none of what is to come should logically impact anything else. And also none of this should have any influence or involvement in the MCU proper.
Maybe I’m just thinking too hard, sit back and enjoy the pretty pictures. OK then.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 11, 2021 9:17:59 GMT -5
{Spoiler}The trailer shows a scene where some of the characters from these universes coming together, so this might be more than just a series of unconnected one-shots about alternate universes.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 11, 2021 10:40:24 GMT -5
Bad news - we have an unanswered question: How seriously am I supposed to take this? If this is just a fun what if story, then hate to say it, but pretty disposable. If it’s meant to be taken seriously, especially after Loki, then my brain starts to hurt because there’s a lot of other changes made beyond just the one. And logically, this is A universe that has changed, not THE universe. Means none of what is to come should logically impact anything else. And also none of this should have any influence or involvement in the MCU proper. The writers have hinted that some of the changes will affect the MCU proper. My guess is it will tie into Doctor Strange 2, since every show so far has.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 11, 2021 14:31:45 GMT -5
Bad news - we have an unanswered question: How seriously am I supposed to take this? If this is just a fun what if story, then hate to say it, but pretty disposable. If it’s meant to be taken seriously, especially after Loki, then my brain starts to hurt because there’s a lot of other changes made beyond just the one. And logically, this is A universe that has changed, not THE universe. Means none of what is to come should logically impact anything else. And also none of this should have any influence or involvement in the MCU proper. The writers have hinted that some of the changes will affect the MCU proper. My guess is it will tie into Doctor Strange 2, since every show so far has. Maybe a few characters like Capt. Carter show up in live action at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 17:29:04 GMT -5
The writers have hinted that some of the changes will affect the MCU proper. My guess is it will tie into Doctor Strange 2, since every show so far has. Maybe a few characters like Capt. Carter show up in live action at some point. This pretty much seems to be the point of the show. The current MCU storyline is building to basically a Marvel Crisis. They didn't put out a show about alternate universes for no reason. And now Hayley Atwell can come back even though main universe Peggy is dead and was an old lady anyway.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 11, 2021 17:34:17 GMT -5
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mattperiolat
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 11, 2021 18:16:56 GMT -5
The writers have hinted that some of the changes will affect the MCU proper. My guess is it will tie into Doctor Strange 2, since every show so far has. Maybe a few characters like Capt. Carter show up in live action at some point. I would DIE to see Atwell back in the MCU and as her unique thing. But I’ll take the VO please and thank you.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 11, 2021 18:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by montee916 on Aug 11, 2021 20:01:56 GMT -5
The writers have hinted that some of the changes will affect the MCU proper. My guess is it will tie into Doctor Strange 2, since every show so far has. Maybe a few characters like Capt. Carter show up in live action at some point. I also wonder if Marvel may use it to bring back Michael B Jordan as Killmonger, but as a hero from what we've seen of him rescuing Tony in Afghanistan, to help counter balance the loss of Chadwick Boseman?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Aug 11, 2021 20:07:54 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The trailer shows a scene where some of the characters from these universes coming together, so this might be more than just a series of unconnected one-shots about alternate universes. {Spoiler}I can see the series leading up to a Multiverse Avengers especially if the theory about the Loki/Avengers Initiative episode is true. Loki possesses Coulson leading him to have the knowledge to destroy the Avengers before they are created. Fury ends up having a group of Avengers thrown together from across the multiverse led by Captain Carter instead.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 11, 2021 20:19:08 GMT -5
I wanted to like this, I really did, but I just couldn't get into it. A lot of it is just me not being able to get into "What If?" stories. "Hey, let's take an already well told and liked story, change a random aspect of it, and see how things shake out?". Just feels like high profile fanfiction. {Spoiler}So am I remembering The First Avenger wrong, or were they taking a lot of liberties with the timeline here? They heavily imply the new timeline was created when Peggy refused to leave the room, but why was Flynn there and in charge in the first place instead of Phillips? Why was Red Skull stealing the tesseract after Peggy got the super-soldier formula when in the movie he stole it well before Steve got the super-soldier formula? It just all felt pointlessly random.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Aug 11, 2021 21:55:00 GMT -5
I wanted to like this, I really did, but I just couldn't get into it. A lot of it is just me not being able to get into "What If?" stories. "Hey, let's take an already well told and liked story, change a random aspect of it, and see how things shake out?". Just feels like high profile fanfiction. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}So am I remembering The First Avenger wrong, or were they taking a lot of liberties with the timeline here? They heavily imply the new timeline was created when Peggy refused to leave the room, but why was Flynn there and in charge in the first place instead of Phillips? Why was Red Skull stealing the tesseract after Peggy got the super-soldier formula when in the movie he stole it well before Steve got the super-soldier formula? It just all felt pointlessly random. {Spoiler}I’m assuming Phillips was killed in the change to the timeline when the Hydra agent attacked early. That led to Flynn taking over.
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mattperiolat
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 11, 2021 23:03:58 GMT -5
I wanted to like this, I really did, but I just couldn't get into it. A lot of it is just me not being able to get into "What If?" stories. "Hey, let's take an already well told and liked story, change a random aspect of it, and see how things shake out?". Just feels like high profile fanfiction. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}So am I remembering The First Avenger wrong, or were they taking a lot of liberties with the timeline here? They heavily imply the new timeline was created when Peggy refused to leave the room, but why was Flynn there and in charge in the first place instead of Phillips? Why was Red Skull stealing the tesseract after Peggy got the super-soldier formula when in the movie he stole it well before Steve got the super-soldier formula? It just all felt pointlessly random. Yep, timeline is loosey goosey. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Per First Avenger, Cap took the serum in 1943. I think What If…? moved it up to 1941, but that’s a bit unclear. It’s really BAD history if they did because the US wasn’t even in the war until December of 1941, troops were not in Europe until 1943. Anyway, Schmidt (Red Skull if you prefer) found the Tesseract before Cap took the serum in the movie, but they flipped them in What If…? I think they intimated both Phillips and Erskine were killed in the explosion around Cap’s botched creation, so there’s that. Flynn wasn’t there at all unless they retroactively added him to the crowd. We never saw him until he was Peggy’s boss in the Agent Carter one-shot, which I think is in 1947? I need to rewatch that to be sure. Yeah, it’s messy, but do what you do to summarize.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Aug 11, 2021 23:13:18 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Potential implications of the Episode 1 timeline's events:
- As the tentacle thing killed Red Skull, he never becomes the Soul Stone's keeper
- Bucky didn't fall off the train, which means he's not the Winter Soldier
- Since there's apparently no Winter Soldier, that means Howard & Maria Stark don't get killed (or at least not in the way that happened in the "sacred" timeline)
- That could also mean that Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD does not go down in the same manner that it did, as Zola won't have a Winter Soldier to help manipulate events behind the scenes
- The Hydra Stomper is essentially an Iron Man armor in all but name. Could potentially mean that Iron Man happens well before Tony Stark is born
- At the end of the episode, Peggy arrives in the present in the same manner that Loki did in Avengers 1, presumably meaning that Loki doesn't show up at all
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 12, 2021 1:16:49 GMT -5
Well if ever there was a case of pot calling the kettle black...
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Post by Display Name on Aug 12, 2021 2:39:01 GMT -5
I liked it. Easily digestible. It did what the comics did and I enjoyed reading those in the 90’s.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 12, 2021 2:46:08 GMT -5
Well if ever there was a case of pot calling the kettle black... What if... Doom Patrol got half the audience interaction or investment as literally any of the Marvel Shows. It's on it's like third season and I have heard literally no one talk about it outside of a few people saying... it's pretty good.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 12, 2021 4:04:36 GMT -5
Well if ever there was a case of pot calling the kettle black... What if a social media intern got slapped upside the head by management for being a dumbass? To the topic itself, it was fun. Wish it sort of was able to expand on parts but as someone pointed out, the What If comics weren't exactly long epics either mostly because you were reading it knowing the source material it was based on. Also, Ross Marquard does an amazing Hugo Weaving impression. It's pretty damn spot on.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 12, 2021 5:00:46 GMT -5
Also, Ross Marquard does an amazing Hugo Weaving impression. It's pretty damn spot on. I'm damn pleased he got to shine a little bit. I'd be very open to him returning as Red Skull in live action at some point. On the flip side, it turns out Sebastian Stan does a terrible Sebastian Stan impression. Dude's really not a voice actor.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 12, 2021 5:55:21 GMT -5
On the flip side, it turns out Sebastian Stan does a terrible Sebastian Stan impression. Dude's really not a voice actor. Yeah, you can totally see why his lines were limited. The way he read the line about almost yanking his arm off made me wince.
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