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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 21:25:41 GMT -5
Then just have Hangman run down The Elite the next few weeks to earn his spot back. Pretty simple He has beefs with all of them that would make for good singles contests leading to Kenny. That feels awfully similar to what’s going on with Jericho and MJF though, no? I get it’s not Jericho vs. Pinnacle but it’s the same concept. Depends on how they do it. They might be able to do it in singles and tag. You can build Dark Order through this. There are a lot of easy configurations for this to still be a good feud and get their momentum back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 21:26:26 GMT -5
I thought it was dumb. There's ways to get heat without THAT finish.
that's all.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jul 28, 2021 21:27:44 GMT -5
I am seriously shocked that people thought the huge happiness from the Hangman win and Omega jobbing was going to happen on July 28th. I get wanting to be happy right away, that's out society, but again. You're not getting your Hangman win on July 28th. You're not seeing the World Champion lose on July 28th. THEY JUST SET IT UP LAST WEEK. Edit: The story has been going for 2-3 years. They started the cycle last week. Sorry ya'll, this is going to take some time. This is an easy book: have Omega deck Page with his belt to get DQ'd, someone pins Page quickly afterwards, and now it's Dark Order fighting for Page's #1 spot against four 'Elite'. Omega could spend the rest of the match making chickenshit faces and going crazy that the underdogs are somehow not going down as easily as they had hoped, and we get a Kofi-Mania style "his real friends take out people who were fake friends to get him his title shot" moment.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 28, 2021 21:28:15 GMT -5
That feels awfully similar to what’s going on with Jericho and MJF though, no? I get it’s not Jericho vs. Pinnacle but it’s the same concept. Depends on how they do it. They might be able to do it in singles and tag. You can build Dark Order through this. There are a lot of easy configurations for this to still be a good feud and get their momentum back. Yeah, fair enough. I still feel the way they set this up was the way to go but I welcome them changing my mind.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 21:29:29 GMT -5
I am seriously shocked that people thought the huge happiness from the Hangman win and Omega jobbing was going to happen on July 28th. I get wanting to be happy right away, that's out society, but again. You're not getting your Hangman win on July 28th. You're not seeing the World Champion lose on July 28th. THEY JUST SET IT UP LAST WEEK. Edit: The story has been going for 2-3 years. They started the cycle last week. Sorry ya'll, this is going to take some time. This is an easy book: have Omega deck Page with his belt to get DQ'd, someone pins Page quickly afterwards, and now it's Dark Order fighting for Page's #1 spot against four 'Elite'. Omega could spend the rest of the match making chickenshit faces and going crazy that the underdogs are somehow not going down as easily as they had hoped, and we get a Kofi-Mania style "his real friends take out people who were fake friends to get him his title shot" moment. I admit I wanted Silver to do it... but at the same time the whole storyline is build around fighting through failure... they still gotta do that. Im sure they're gonna find a way to make it just as satisfying
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 21:30:15 GMT -5
I thought it was dumb. There's ways to get heat without THAT finish. that's all. Unfortunately "Light Hangman on fire and then hit him with a truck" was overruled in the booking meeting
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 28, 2021 21:30:58 GMT -5
- If Omega gets overly confident and grants him another rematch (or does it in a fit of rage), it goes against everything Kenny has done in the last year since he won the belt by being the chickenshit heel. What exactly is your definition of a chickenshit heel? Omega laughed at Orange Cassidy and said he wasn't in his league. Omega is a super confident, I can beat anyone, "I'm the best" heel. I think when you say he's a "chickenshit" heel, you haven't really been watching him? He's been oozing confidence with Callis, and only becomes chickenshit if the faces are beating him around. Did you see this segment? He was chickenshit getting in Hangman's face? Yes. There are many methods to tell the story they're telling. You don't have to "wait and see" if you don't want, but I'm sure people will be super excited about it when it happens, and alot of the same people complaining now will have forgotten what they were so angry.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 28, 2021 21:33:44 GMT -5
I’m curious if the other big fed being so misery driven makes this result taste a bit more bitter? Curious what y’all cats think but I don’t know how big overlap is between two audiences My already declining interest in WWE has been accelerated by their misery booking, one of AEW's strengths has been making sure that over babyfaces eventually end up on top. I'm disappointed in the ending but they have 5 more weeks to All Out so I feel comfortable with them landing the plane on this one.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 28, 2021 21:33:47 GMT -5
I am seriously shocked that people thought the huge happiness from the Hangman win and Omega jobbing was going to happen on July 28th. I get wanting to be happy right away, that's out society, but again. You're not getting your Hangman win on July 28th. You're not seeing the World Champion lose on July 28th. THEY JUST SET IT UP LAST WEEK. Edit: The story has been going for 2-3 years. They started the cycle last week. Sorry ya'll, this is going to take some time. This is an easy book: have Omega deck Page with his belt to get DQ'd, someone pins Page quickly afterwards, and now it's Dark Order fighting for Page's #1 spot against four 'Elite'. Omega could spend the rest of the match making chickenshit faces and going crazy that the underdogs are somehow not going down as easily as they had hoped, and we get a Kofi-Mania style "his real friends take out people who were fake friends to get him his title shot" moment. DQ'ed? Have you watched AEW for the last two years?
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 28, 2021 21:34:40 GMT -5
I've been trying to think of how to word this, but like, most of us who didn't like that match? We probably still think that Hangman's winning at All Out, I doubt they'd screw that up. But AEW's strength isn't just in the celebratory finish, a strong narrative getting you there is important. Just ask anyone who watched the newest Star Wars trilogy, even if the Resistance get to celebrate saving the day at the end, it didn't feel like a wholly coherent journey.
Like, if this ends up getting retconned so that the big stipulation they hyped for weeks for their big Fight For The Fallen show just... Doesn't happen, that to me devalues the week-to-week shows and what goes on in them, unless it's a pretty bloody spectacular explanation. If they can pull it off, then brilliant, but at the moment it just seems like it'd be smarter not to have put that stipulation up if they're not going to actually have it matter. If Cody had lost his chance to compete for the World Title and been back in the title picture within a month, that betrayal by MJF wouldn't have had the same impact, would it?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 28, 2021 21:35:52 GMT -5
This is an easy book: have Omega deck Page with his belt to get DQ'd, someone pins Page quickly afterwards, and now it's Dark Order fighting for Page's #1 spot against four 'Elite'. Omega could spend the rest of the match making chickenshit faces and going crazy that the underdogs are somehow not going down as easily as they had hoped, and we get a Kofi-Mania style "his real friends take out people who were fake friends to get him his title shot" moment. DQ'ed? Have you watched AEW for the last two years? The lack of DQ’s is why a chickenshit DQ might have worked here? I see his point.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 28, 2021 21:36:01 GMT -5
They’ve instilled the idea that OWA is the ultimate killshot, so seeing Page kick out of it at All Out is gonna be a massive mark out moment.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 28, 2021 21:36:40 GMT -5
I actually predicted this when the match was announced; the themes of Page's story arc just fit it.
But yeah, there's a fine line to walk here: you want the loss to feel consequential, but it still feels like the story is meant to culminate at All Out, so how is this handled over the course of five weeks or so? Do we get swerved and All Out instead ends up being a big "Punk is here" showcase, with Page's ultimate win being saved for Full Gear, the show that's named after a bit he did? Or is there some other storyline wrinkle we're going to see over the next couple of weeks that gets Hangman back into the challenger's spot for All Out?
For people freaking out because they have too many memories of WWE, TNA, and WCW misery booking everyone to death, just keep in mind that "wait and see" is actually a legitimate stance to have when you're watching a show you genuinely like and feel has a history of delivering the goods. I've been saying something like this a lot lately, but if you're *not* thinking "wait and see" when something like this happens, odds are it means you don't like the show already, because a wrestling show you consistently enjoy should leave you asking "huh, where does this go next?" even when there's an outcome you don't like.
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Post by LastCall on Jul 28, 2021 21:40:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I wasn't expecting that ending, but there's still plenty of time before the PPV.
We all know how this is ending (hopefully), there's other paths they can take to get there.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 28, 2021 21:41:05 GMT -5
I actually predicted this when the match was announced; the themes of Page's story arc just fit it. But yeah, there's a fine line to walk here: you want the loss to feel consequential, but it still feels like the story is meant to culminate at All Out, so how is this handled over the course of five weeks or so? Do we get swerved and All Out instead ends up being a big "Punk is here" showcase, with Page's ultimate win being saved for Full Gear, the show that's named after a bit he did? Or is there some other storyline wrinkle we're going to see over the next couple of weeks that gets Hangman back into the challenger's spot for All Out? For people freaking out because they have too many memories of WWE, TNA, and WCW misery booking everyone to death, just keep in mind that "wait and see" is actually a legitimate stance to have when you're watching a show you genuinely like and feel has a history of delivering the goods. I've been saying something like this a lot lately, but if you're *not* thinking "wait and see" when something like this happens, odds are it means you don't like the show already, because a wrestling show you consistently enjoy should leave you asking "huh, where does this go next?" even when there's an outcome you don't like. I don’t think All Out will be a big “Punk’s Here” showcase, given they have a special Rampage from Chicago that seems to be billed around his arrival.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 21:42:19 GMT -5
I've been trying to think of how to word this, but like, most of us who didn't like that match? We probably still think that Hangman's winning at All Out, I doubt they'd screw that up. But AEW's strength isn't just in the celebratory finish, a strong narrative getting you there is important. Just ask anyone who watched the newest Star Wars trilogy, even if the Resistance get to celebrate saving the day at the end, it didn't feel like a wholly coherent journey. Like, if this ends up getting retconned so that the big stipulation they hyped for weeks for their big Fight For The Fallen show just... Doesn't happen, that to me devalues the week-to-week shows and what goes on in them, unless it's a pretty bloody spectacular explanation. If they can pull it off, then brilliant, but at the moment it just seems like it'd be smarter not to have put that stipulation up if they're not going to actually have it matter. If Cody had lost his chance to compete for the World Title and been back in the title picture within a month, that betrayal by MJF wouldn't have had the same impact, would it? I dont think they're inevitably gonna get rid of the stipulation. But the stipulation was Hangman loses his number one spot... so he has to fight to get there again. This would be the third time. This is where the doubt is gonna seep in super hard on if he can beat Kenny and if he truly is worth it. You can still do this and have it be satisfying for the viewer and the narrative. If they don't do it I'll be pissed but I TRUST AEW to do it because they've given me no reason not to. Let's just all hope this is the start of a much broader story. Because I do like the idea of it not being so cut and dry... The Elite have numbers. They cheat to win. AND they have immense talent. This could be a very electric five weeks especially with Rampage coming... which is something to keep in mind that it won't just be Dynamite to tell this story come August 13th.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 28, 2021 21:57:12 GMT -5
I actually predicted this when the match was announced; the themes of Page's story arc just fit it. But yeah, there's a fine line to walk here: you want the loss to feel consequential, but it still feels like the story is meant to culminate at All Out, so how is this handled over the course of five weeks or so? Do we get swerved and All Out instead ends up being a big "Punk is here" showcase, with Page's ultimate win being saved for Full Gear, the show that's named after a bit he did? Or is there some other storyline wrinkle we're going to see over the next couple of weeks that gets Hangman back into the challenger's spot for All Out? For people freaking out because they have too many memories of WWE, TNA, and WCW misery booking everyone to death, just keep in mind that "wait and see" is actually a legitimate stance to have when you're watching a show you genuinely like and feel has a history of delivering the goods. I've been saying something like this a lot lately, but if you're *not* thinking "wait and see" when something like this happens, odds are it means you don't like the show already, because a wrestling show you consistently enjoy should leave you asking "huh, where does this go next?" even when there's an outcome you don't like. I don’t think All Out will be a big “Punk’s Here” showcase, given they have a special Rampage from Chicago that seems to be billed around his arrival. Right... It’ll be the big “Bryan’s here” showcase.
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Post by Killah Ray on Jul 28, 2021 22:09:12 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we all know how this is ending, but this seems like it's about to jump through a bunch of unnecessary hoops to get there. I'm here for it either way, but damn you can tell how that result just completely killed that crowd for a good chunk of the show....
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Post by Chiral on Jul 28, 2021 22:35:02 GMT -5
Another thing I just remembered, they had Hangman coming out stumbling drunk last week, like not the "confident lemme hold a beer and kick your ass" thing like "I'm about to fall over from all this booze, I'm crumbling under the pressure of finally facing the Elite."
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 28, 2021 22:35:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we all know how this is ending, but this seems like it's about to jump through a bunch of unnecessary hoops to get there. I'm here for it either way, but damn you can tell how that result just completely killed that crowd for a good chunk of the show.... They're 5 weeks/9 major TV shows away from All Out and are about to debut a brand new TV show plus two of the three biggest names in the industry that they could possibly sign. If you pull the trigger on the big victory here, where do you take the feud that doesn't cool it off and send it to the back seat of all the other craziness currently going on? This could be a total misstep, but I get what they're going for.
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