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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 22:39:25 GMT -5
I like it?
It made Hangman look like a total badass taking on the rest of the elite by himself.
I don’t care much for the Dark Order. I feel they were booked as strong as they could be.
Best survivor series match I’ve seen in a long time.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Jul 28, 2021 22:39:53 GMT -5
You have to look at the narratives in play here:
1. Hangman is afraid to fail. He drinks to give himself a sense of false confidence. Since he started hanging out with The Dark Order, they've done a lot to help build his confidence up. But what caused his lack of confidence in himself to begin with?
2. Hangman has an inferiority complex when it comes to The Elite. He said it himself, he was the least successful member of the group. In his mind, he doesn't hold up when put next to Kenny or The Bucks. It doesn't help that they never treated him as a true equal, when they were winning titles, he was the bag boy. He was one rung above Cutler and Nakazawa, as far as they were concerned. And you can argue that they never really considered him a friend, especially compared to Cutler and Nakazawa.
So now, with this loss, he has to face his greatest enemy to get back to the title: himself. He needs to finally come to the realization that he's not the loser he thinks he is, or that The Elite made him think he is. He IS good enough to beat Kenny for the title. Maybe he lost tonight, but if he pulls himself back up, he's not a loser.
And you know Dark Order are going to be carrying around their share of the guilt over this loss. Now, more than ever, Dark Order and Hangman need each other. Hangman needs his friends to remind him that they are his friends, win or lose, and they'll only be disappointed in him if he stops fighting. And they need Hangman to reassure them that they didn't let him down. They fought as hard as they could, but caught some bad breaks. But they lost as a team. And now, as a team, they need to find another way to get to the promised land.
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Post by markymark on Jul 28, 2021 22:44:05 GMT -5
I was thinking Christian will be next in line but he is still busy with HFO, Hangman next step of development would be stop drinking?
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Jul 28, 2021 22:44:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we all know how this is ending, but this seems like it's about to jump through a bunch of unnecessary hoops to get there. I'm here for it either way, but damn you can tell how that result just completely killed that crowd for a good chunk of the show.... They're 5 weeks/9 major TV shows away from All Out and are about to debut a brand new TV show plus two of the three biggest names in the industry that they could possibly sign. If you pull the trigger on the big victory here, where do you take the feud that doesn't cool it off and send it to the back seat of all the other craziness currently going on? This could be a total misstep, but I get what they're going for. Exactly. That's the other big thing to remember. Hangman beating Kenny is going to be a huge moment. You don't want to blow it in a tag match. Kenny needs to look unstoppable here. This is the guy who ended Moxley's unbeaten streak, the guy who was AEW's ace for the better part of a year. You don't have THAT guy take his first major loss in a tag match. When Kenny loses, it has to be HUGE. And the way they're building it so far, I believe it's going to be.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 28, 2021 22:46:08 GMT -5
As I’ve said the REAL booking disaster would be if it is Omega vs Page at All Out and Page loses. THAT would make me legit angry. It’s a narrative that people on Reddit have been pushing that drives me up a wall. Hopefully Page losing tonight is that last obstacle for him to overcome. I would hate to see this board meltdown if Hangman fails to win the title.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 22:46:30 GMT -5
In the grand scheme? We all should have known The Elite were going to win when they came out with their "Better than Space Jam" entrance.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jul 28, 2021 22:46:31 GMT -5
I think in general the problem is certain people are sick of this storyline, and just want it to end already. Which is what I have been saying the last six months.
Because so far Kenny is approaching Reign of Terror Trips, and early TNA Jarrett levels of invincible.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 22:47:48 GMT -5
I think in general the problem is certain people are sick of this storyline, and just want it to end already. Which is what I have been saying the last six months. Because so far Kenny is approaching Reign of Terror Trips, and early TNA Jarrett levels of invincible. It's ending at All Out. Like that wasn't gonna change win or lose here. Kenny's overall downfall will happen there in five weeks. This came off like his last great triumph and he needed every bell and whistle to survive.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jul 28, 2021 22:47:52 GMT -5
They're 5 weeks/9 major TV shows away from All Out and are about to debut a brand new TV show plus two of the three biggest names in the industry that they could possibly sign. If you pull the trigger on the big victory here, where do you take the feud that doesn't cool it off and send it to the back seat of all the other craziness currently going on? This could be a total misstep, but I get what they're going for. Exactly. That's the other big thing to remember. Hangman beating Kenny is going to be a huge moment. You don't want to blow it in a tag match. Kenny needs to look unstoppable here. This is the guy who ended Moxley's unbeaten streak, the guy who was AEW's ace for the better part of a year. You don't have THAT guy take his first major loss in a tag match. When Kenny loses, it has to be HUGE. And the way they're building it so far, I believe it's going to be. If he's THAT good, why does he need so many people to help him cheat to win? And don't just say "Because he's a heel, and they need to do that."
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jul 28, 2021 22:49:03 GMT -5
I think in general the problem is certain people are sick of this storyline, and just want it to end already. Which is what I have been saying the last six months. Because so far Kenny is approaching Reign of Terror Trips, and early TNA Jarrett levels of invincible. It's ending at All Out. Like that wasn't gonna change win or lose here. Kenny's overall downfall will happen there in five weeks. This came off like his last great triumph and he needed every bell and whistle to survive. When it actually happens. I will believe you. Until then stop telling me what is going to happen, when it has not happened yet.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 28, 2021 22:49:20 GMT -5
Exactly. That's the other big thing to remember. Hangman beating Kenny is going to be a huge moment. You don't want to blow it in a tag match. Kenny needs to look unstoppable here. This is the guy who ended Moxley's unbeaten streak, the guy who was AEW's ace for the better part of a year. You don't have THAT guy take his first major loss in a tag match. When Kenny loses, it has to be HUGE. And the way they're building it so far, I believe it's going to be. If he's THAT good, why does he need so many people to help him cheat to win? And don't just say "Because he's a heel, and they need to do that." Because he’s a heel, and they need to do that. That’s literally what a heel champion does. That’s wrestling 101.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 28, 2021 22:50:08 GMT -5
Exactly. That's the other big thing to remember. Hangman beating Kenny is going to be a huge moment. You don't want to blow it in a tag match. Kenny needs to look unstoppable here. This is the guy who ended Moxley's unbeaten streak, the guy who was AEW's ace for the better part of a year. You don't have THAT guy take his first major loss in a tag match. When Kenny loses, it has to be HUGE. And the way they're building it so far, I believe it's going to be. If he's THAT good, why does he need so many people to help him cheat to win? And don't just say "Because he's a heel, and they need to do that." Because he's an egotistical bastard and frankly it's because he can. He doesn't want to lose. He can't handle falling from grace. He is that talented and he is that good but it's getting to the point where he is losing his mind and his grip on reality. Doubt is creeping in for him just as much as they are trying to press it on Hangman. That's been the entire point here... Hangman gaining confidence and Omega losing his slowly but surely.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 28, 2021 22:55:22 GMT -5
Exactly. That's the other big thing to remember. Hangman beating Kenny is going to be a huge moment. You don't want to blow it in a tag match. Kenny needs to look unstoppable here. This is the guy who ended Moxley's unbeaten streak, the guy who was AEW's ace for the better part of a year. You don't have THAT guy take his first major loss in a tag match. When Kenny loses, it has to be HUGE. And the way they're building it so far, I believe it's going to be. If he's THAT good, why does he need so many people to help him cheat to win? And don't just say "Because he's a heel, and they need to do that." Because he wants to ensure that he's going to win. He doesn't really cheat against anyone except the top of the card guys, the whole point of the cheating/kickout sequence at tonight's finish was to show that Omega/Callis are scared shitless of a focused Hangman because it took an apronbomb, 5 minutes of 3-on-1 where he had the upper hand for a good chunk, a beltshot, and the most protected finisher in decades necks to put him away. Cheating is also part of Omega's offensive arsenal at this point, like it was for Flair/AJ/Naito and others.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 28, 2021 22:55:37 GMT -5
I like it. To be fair, if this was the WWE I'd hate it. Because time after time, WWE has shown they really don't follow through with these kind of storylines. AEW being new and trying to make wins and loses matter, I'm willing to give them more of a chance. There's a bigger story going on here.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 28, 2021 22:59:27 GMT -5
I’ll share the sentiments of Marc here and say that if people can’t be respectful and not hyperbolic as hell, we’re locking the thread and giving people time out. The stuff that happened in the show thread is not something that should be repeated again because some of you really should know better. Gee I`m glad I didnt follow the thread tonight,not even sure I wanna know what happened
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Post by Chiral on Jul 28, 2021 23:01:24 GMT -5
I’ll share the sentiments of Marc here and say that if people can’t be respectful and not hyperbolic as hell, we’re locking the thread and giving people time out. The stuff that happened in the show thread is not something that should be repeated again because some of you really should know better. Gee I`m glad I didnt follow the thread tonight,not even sure I wanna know what happened A brief summation to save you the trouble: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I got salty too so I'm not exempt from this gif lol
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Post by markymark on Jul 28, 2021 23:01:24 GMT -5
AEW is the company that has mostly faces winning the feuds over the heels, or make it too one sided for the faces , idk how can people think Hangman is going to get buried by the end of the Elite storyline? This isnt Vince Russo TNA when the faces always looked like jabronies.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 28, 2021 23:03:55 GMT -5
Gee I`m glad I didnt follow the thread tonight,not even sure I wanna know what happened A brief summation to save you the trouble: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I got salty too so I'm not exempt from this gif lol I'm honestly surprised people got salty ovr it,it wasnt the result I think is the best ,but not enough to make me salty. And i`m a big Dark Order mark.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 28, 2021 23:04:18 GMT -5
AEW is the company that has mostly faces winning the feuds over the heels, or make it too one sided for the faces , idk how can people think Hangman is going to get buried by the end of the Elite storyline? This isnt Vince Russo TNA when the faces always looked like jabronies. And when AEW’s heels lose, they do so in very satisfying and cathartic ways.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 28, 2021 23:04:50 GMT -5
AEW is the company that has mostly faces winning the feuds over the heels, or make it too one sided for the faces , idk how can people think Hangman is going to get buried by the end of the Elite storyline? This isnt Vince Russo TNA when the faces always looked like jabronies. And, let’s be honest, Page is the golden boy. He’s working with his friends IRL who are the EVPs. I sincerely doubt they are going bury one of their own. I mean, it’s wrestling and you never know. But Hangman is their boy. This storyline is to ultimately make him the top babyface.
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