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Post by khali on Jul 29, 2021 9:10:28 GMT -5
It’ll be Page for sure. I just have no idea how they get there in a way that is narratively as satisfying as his friends in Dark Order willing themselves to victory. That’s the other thing for me. I will be shocked if they have a better way for Page to earn the shot for the match. Even if the end result is good, this can still be a misfire.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 29, 2021 9:11:42 GMT -5
Punk being the whisky drinking cowboy's next opponent after he wins the title makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Though maybe you don't want to put them against eachother right away. Give Page a few wins first.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 29, 2021 9:14:10 GMT -5
It’ll be Page for sure. I just have no idea how they get there in a way that is narratively as satisfying as his friends in Dark Order willing themselves to victory. That’s the other thing for me. I will be shocked if they have a better way for Page to earn the shot for the match. Even if the end result is good, this can still be a misfire. And at the end of the day that’s OK, companies make mistakes but it’ll still be nice for Page to have the belt. Just a move I disagreed with and I’m usually onboard with their decisions.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 29, 2021 9:37:01 GMT -5
I just feel like the right time is All Out for Hangman. I do believe that he will be the next champion regardless. But to me, it just makes sense with all of the failures he’s had, especially at the All Out event, that would be the perfect place.
And I do agree that if it doesn’t happen there, then it would be a mistake. It’s not gonna kill the company, Hangman will still be extremely over and no matter when he wins it, it will still be a wonderful moment. Because AEW fans are smart enough to realize that losing isnt a career killer like it is I’m WWE. Hangman is going to be fine. He will be champion.
But I think All Out itself could be seen as a disappointment if it ends of being Omega vs Christian. They probably do realize that wouldn’t be a great PPV main event. They should have the match in between the shows if you want to tie up that loose end. But that would be a disappointing main event.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jul 29, 2021 10:43:01 GMT -5
If you don't think Page is challenging at All Out, you're insane. If I'm wrong I will change my username to "clueless moron" until he actually wins the title. Before they *allegedly* signed Punk, and maybe Bryan, I'd agree he was a 100% lock. Now, I do have a little bit of doubt I must admit. If Bryan or Punk are the challengers then their whole ranking system is shit.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2021 10:43:53 GMT -5
Before they *allegedly* signed Punk, and maybe Bryan, I'd agree he was a 100% lock. Now, I do have a little bit of doubt I must admit. If Bryan or Punk are the challengers then their whole ranking system is shit. Or it could be a three-way dance.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 29, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -5
Other: Griff Garrison
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2021 10:47:06 GMT -5
It's a swerve, bro.
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Post by flowercity on Jul 29, 2021 10:50:48 GMT -5
Before they *allegedly* signed Punk, and maybe Bryan, I'd agree he was a 100% lock. Now, I do have a little bit of doubt I must admit. If Bryan or Punk are the challengers then their whole ranking system is shit. If Punk debuts at First Dance beating the (at least) #3 ranked Darby Allin, he most certainly will be ranked. I don’t understand the sentiment that Punk will only be appearing at First Dance. He will be wrestling. And if he gets that high profile of a win it only makes sense he is at the top of the rankings.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2021 13:15:15 GMT -5
If Bryan or Punk are the challengers then their whole ranking system is shit. If Punk debuts at First Dance beating the (at least) #3 ranked Darby Allin, he most certainly will be ranked. I don’t understand the sentiment that Punk will only be appearing at First Dance. He will be wrestling. And if he gets that high profile of a win it only makes sense he is at the top of the rankings. A valid point. Remember people this is scripted not shoot fighting. I'm sure if TK & co. want Punk in or hovering around the main scene soon after his arrival, they'll easily find a way to make it happen and to make sense in their world. They've been very good at booking so far. I have faith in their abilities.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 29, 2021 13:17:37 GMT -5
If Bryan or Punk are the challengers then their whole ranking system is shit. If Punk debuts at First Dance beating the (at least) #3 ranked Darby Allin, he most certainly will be ranked. I don’t understand the sentiment that Punk will only be appearing at First Dance. He will be wrestling. And if he gets that high profile of a win it only makes sense he is at the top of the rankings. I don’t think Punk showing up at Rampage: The First Dance will be a match. I think it’ll set up his match for All Out vs. Darby.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Jul 29, 2021 19:56:45 GMT -5
Punk could wrestle a box of Cheerio's in the ring and the fans in Chicago would be there to eat it up.
He doesn't need to be in the title match to contribute in his hometown, they'll love him no matter what.
In fact, I think the blowback from it not being Page vs. Omega would be more damaging to him. And part of me would hope he would refuse to do that based on shit like that in his history happening to him.
But then again this is the same dude who bitched about part-timers coming in and taking spots from people busting their ass full-time, and then he went and did the same exact f***ing thing in UFC more than once. So I could also see him doing that being on brand for him as a person.
I hope not though.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jul 30, 2021 6:19:33 GMT -5
Punk could wrestle a box of Cheerio's in the ring and the fans in Chicago would be there to eat it up. Dana White: "That's who we should have had him fight!"
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jul 30, 2021 6:32:36 GMT -5
So my issue with Punk is this; How do you justify it with the ranking system? If he's debuting on August 20th and the PPV is two weeks later, how do you get him to the amount of wins needed to top? And if you have it be an eliminator, you'd have to do Omega/Punk on TV before the PPV which doesn't make sense. For the record, I don't think its Punk. Especially with the tease Darby put up on Wednesday. Punk and Darby is the match, and the title match is Hangman vs Omega. That said, I can see Punk forgoing the ranking system to immediately paint him as a hypocrite. The Pipebomb promo famously had a line about "Dwayne" being an ass kisser who sucked up to the boss and got a Mania main event immediately over the hardworking members of the full-time roster. If he showed up and did the same thing, it would make perfect sense from a character perspective. He's the very thing he hates.
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Post by khali on Jul 30, 2021 7:09:52 GMT -5
Well, according to the new Observer: “Adam Page is not getting the main event for All Out with Kenny Omega. At one point it was the plan but plans change. The ten-man tag was designed to shock people when they veered off that match, but one would think they will be going to it later.”
This feels like a huge mistake. And if it’s Christian, you might get your first AEW turning on a match.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 30, 2021 7:27:36 GMT -5
I’m kinda torn now to be honest.
If they have the plan be Full Gear, it’s not the worst decision in the world, I just want Page to be champion, and his overness isn’t that fragile that he can’t wait a little longer. But it does feel disappointing and I don’t think Omega vs Christian is a real viable PPV main event in 2021. So while it’s not a company killer or it really ruins anything, I am just not excited for a Omega vs Christian match to headline a PPV. But I will still trust AEW. If it’s Full Gear, it makes sense because it’s a year after they wrestled one on one, so I get it. But All Out is being hyped as the biggest show of the year and I would have the big title win be at All Out. I don’t know what to think.
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Post by eJm on Jul 30, 2021 7:31:04 GMT -5
I'm growing more to the idea of Full Gear than I was at the start of the day and whilst it's not what I'd do, I'm not completely against it as I was.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jul 30, 2021 7:31:53 GMT -5
Well, according to the new Observer: “Adam Page is not getting the main event for All Out with Kenny Omega. At one point it was the plan but plans change. The ten-man tag was designed to shock people when they veered off that match, but one would think they will be going to it later.” This feels like a huge mistake. And if it’s Christian, you might get your first AEW turning on a match. I said I'll wait and see since I trust AEW but man if this is true and they changed plans for All Out? That really sucks. Huge mistake like you said.
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Post by khali on Jul 30, 2021 7:32:55 GMT -5
It’s fine if it’s Full Gear in theory, but where they’ve screwed up is so clearly pushing for All Out. I wouldn’t have an issue with Full Gear typically, but it becomes a problem when you’ve made the crowd want it for All Out and didn’t give it to them.
I’ve always trusted AEW to do the right thing with booking, and they usually have. But this is going to make me question them more now. And hurts the enjoyment of All Out.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 30, 2021 7:33:57 GMT -5
Omega vs Christian is not a PPV main event lmao. If they do this they're deluded
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