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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 16, 2021 23:29:49 GMT -5
So…looking at that one scene where it looks like a baton opening up…could we get Linda Cardellini showing up while Kate and Clint are on the ropes to help take their families safety into her own hands any go full Mockingbird one more time? I don't like this Adrianne Palicki erasure. Her character was actually Mockingbird. If Laura is a Mockingbird at least it’ll help us figure out what their view on Agents of Shield is. If it turns out her real name is Bobbi Morse and Laura was an alibi to keep her safe then Agents is multiverse. I think Feige has enough respect for AoS and it’s fans that it turns out Laura was a Mockingbird and it’s a program of agents like the Widows were minus the brainwashing. I think Laura was one of many.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 16, 2021 23:47:09 GMT -5
Eh, fairly certain AOS is not in continuity with the base MCU. Pretty sure they're considering everything before Disney+ a varient time line at this point. Even the Netflix shows, which should be easy to integrate into the MCU proper, are seen this way. They'll cherry pick, but it's evident they're dead set on creating something a bit more streamlined.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 16, 2021 23:59:04 GMT -5
Eh, fairly certain AOS is not in continuity with the base MCU. Pretty sure they're considering everything before Disney+ a varient time line at this point. Even the Netflix shows, which should be easy to integrate into the MCU proper, are seen this way. They'll cherry pick, but it's evident they're dead set on creating something a bit more streamlined. I think we’ll find out soon enough. Hawkeye Episode 6 and Echo should shed light on whether or not anything Netflix related is canon. Enough time has passed in universe that they can acknowledge it as canon while at the same time ignoring the events of them. As far as Agents goes…the Laura Barton reveal and Secret Invasion will put any of that to rest. Personally one theory I read that I really like and it’ll be interesting to see if anything comes of it. The idea is that Laura was the original Mockingbird and it just happens her maiden name is Morse and has a younger sister. Not like the entire series would be canon anyways…maybe Seasons 1-4 before all the time travel sent them off into the wild, wild multiverse.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 17, 2021 3:09:56 GMT -5
Just because I caught it in an interview…apparently the Hawkeye directors are saying to tune in for episode 6 for the answer whether or not this is the same Fisk from Daredevil or a different take on him. That canon question is being answered in less than a week.
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Post by schma on Dec 17, 2021 4:49:21 GMT -5
Officially AoS is not canon to the mcu but an alternate timeline. I just learned this myself yesterday having the same discussion about Mockingbird.
I am curious whether so many Netflix actors reprising their roles makes Netflix canon or not. I'm hoping for yes.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 17, 2021 8:46:09 GMT -5
Officially AoS is not canon to the mcu but an alternate timeline. I just learned this myself yesterday having the same discussion about Mockingbird. I am curious whether so many Netflix actors reprising their roles makes Netflix canon or not. I'm hoping for yes. It’s not officially one way or the other yet. Feige hasn’t commented either way. The only “proof” that it’s alternate timeline has been people pointing to the fact that Agents is listed under the same category as all of the non-MCU movies overseas on Disney+/Star. I think the official word on both will be known come next week…at least as far as the Netflix shows. But if Laura is really an alibi for Bobbi…then yeah the whole shebang is alt timeline.
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Post by cosmo on Dec 17, 2021 11:07:00 GMT -5
Eh, fairly certain AOS is not in continuity with the base MCU. Pretty sure they're considering everything before Disney+ a varient time line at this point. Even the Netflix shows, which should be easy to integrate into the MCU proper, are seen this way. They'll cherry pick, but it's evident they're dead set on creating something a bit more streamlined.
I've always kinda had the view that the movies are canon within the shows, but the shows aren't canon within the movies. Any TV actors showing up in the movies are just multiverse versions of them, like how the MCU J. Jonah Jameson is still played by JK Simmons.
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Post by schma on Dec 17, 2021 12:42:18 GMT -5
Officially AoS is not canon to the mcu but an alternate timeline. I just learned this myself yesterday having the same discussion about Mockingbird. I am curious whether so many Netflix actors reprising their roles makes Netflix canon or not. I'm hoping for yes. It’s not officially one way or the other yet. Feige hasn’t commented either way. The only “proof” that it’s alternate timeline has been people pointing to the fact that Agents is listed under the same category as all of the non-MCU movies overseas on Disney+/Star. I think the official word on both will be known come next week…at least as far as the Netflix shows. But if Laura is really an alibi for Bobbi…then yeah the whole shebang is alt timeline. There's a couple things, AoS doesn't deal with the snap at all, the show was eventually moved to another part of Marvel entirely and had no clue what was going on with the movies. This isn't definitive but Marvel and Disney did release a chronological viewing list that cuts up some of AoS.
Personally I want AoS to be canon but apart from Feige liking it, it doesn't look like anyone involved in the movies considers it canon.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 17, 2021 13:05:54 GMT -5
Personally I want AoS to be canon but apart from Feige liking it, it doesn't look like anyone involved in the movies considers it canon. There's a pretty good article that documents just how little the Marvel Studios people cared for the Marvel TV division at the time: screenrant.com/agents-of-shield-carter-season-2-3-marvel-tv-feud/
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 17, 2021 13:08:53 GMT -5
I've always thought that keeping yourself married to the Netflix shows was just kind of pointlessly restricting what you can do in the movies anyway. If anything I wouldn't even go out of my way to get the same actors from them when they pop up in something else.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 17, 2021 13:22:20 GMT -5
It’s not officially one way or the other yet. Feige hasn’t commented either way. The only “proof” that it’s alternate timeline has been people pointing to the fact that Agents is listed under the same category as all of the non-MCU movies overseas on Disney+/Star. I think the official word on both will be known come next week…at least as far as the Netflix shows. But if Laura is really an alibi for Bobbi…then yeah the whole shebang is alt timeline. There's a couple things, AoS doesn't deal with the snap at all, the show was eventually moved to another part of Marvel entirely and had no clue what was going on with the movies. This isn't definitive but Marvel and Disney did release a chronological viewing list that cuts up some of AoS. Personally I want AoS to be canon but apart from Feige liking it, it doesn't look like anyone involved in the movies considers it canon.
Thing is AoS was never going to originally have to deal with the aftermath of the Snap. The series was supposed to end with Daisy taking on Graviton right as the Black Order was arriving on Earth. There was never supposed to be seasons 6&7 so they had no plans involving Endgame. I hope they keep the Netflix series and Seasons 1-4 of Agents canon at least by the time Hawkeye is over…because like I said, 5-7 years have passed. You can acknowledge them without REALLY acknowledging them and cherry pick what you add to the MCU without pissing the TV side fans off by saying they wasted their time.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 17, 2021 13:22:25 GMT -5
Personally I want AoS to be canon but apart from Feige liking it, it doesn't look like anyone involved in the movies considers it canon. There's a pretty good article that documents just how little the Marvel Studios people cared for the Marvel TV division at the time: screenrant.com/agents-of-shield-carter-season-2-3-marvel-tv-feud/Feige hated Perlmutters bigotry and cheapness screwing up his work.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 17, 2021 13:49:09 GMT -5
Personally I want AoS to be canon but apart from Feige liking it, it doesn't look like anyone involved in the movies considers it canon. There's a pretty good article that documents just how little the Marvel Studios people cared for the Marvel TV division at the time: screenrant.com/agents-of-shield-carter-season-2-3-marvel-tv-feud/This is my favourite part of the article: Lol
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Post by eJm on Dec 17, 2021 16:07:18 GMT -5
I've always thought that keeping yourself married to the Netflix shows was just kind of pointlessly restricting what you can do in the movies anyway. If anything I wouldn't even go out of my way to get the same actors from them when they pop up in something else. I can see that but I also see it from a financial POV too. If you have the actors who’ve played the characters you want to potentially do stuff with, you might as well have them in there instead of getting someone entirely different who might need to invest in the character more. {Spoiler}Like, why get someone else to play Kingpin when Vincent D’onofrio is willing to go back to the character and bypass other projects to do it?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 17, 2021 21:41:57 GMT -5
So here's a thought, if they ignore AoS will Coulson remain dead? I don't see him showing up in another Marvel movie unless it's set before 2012 like Captain Marvel.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 17, 2021 21:50:08 GMT -5
So here's a thought, if they ignore AoS will Coulson remain dead? I don't see him showing up in another Marvel movie unless it's set before 2012 like Captain Marvel. I mean, even in AOS he's dead, since the Coulson in the final season is a LMD. But yeah, if they choose to ignore AOS then we've probably seen the last of OG Coulson. Might see a variant or a Skrull Coulson, though.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 17, 2021 23:28:33 GMT -5
So here's a thought, if they ignore AoS will Coulson remain dead? I don't see him showing up in another Marvel movie unless it's set before 2012 like Captain Marvel. I mean, even in AOS he's dead, since the Coulson in the final season is a LMD. But yeah, if they choose to ignore AOS then we've probably seen the last of OG Coulson. Might see a variant or a Skrull Coulson, though. The first thing I thought when he was rumored for Secret Invasion was…we’ve already done Skrull Coulson.
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 20, 2021 19:00:38 GMT -5
So…looking at that one scene where it looks like a baton opening up…could we get Linda Cardellini showing up while Kate and Clint are on the ropes to help take their families safety into her own hands any go full Mockingbird one more time? I don't like this Adrianne Palicki erasure. Her character was actually Mockingbird. {Spoiler}I've seen that her character could be a previous mockingbird and it was passed on to Adrienne Palicki Mockingbird so it's not erasing her character exactly
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Post by Clutchhausen on Dec 22, 2021 3:53:26 GMT -5
f*** this show. Trash ass bullshit. Ralphed again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2021 4:24:22 GMT -5
Before anybody freaks out... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
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