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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 2, 2021 22:52:48 GMT -5
I love theaters, it's one of my favorite thing to do. Just came from Shang Chi. I've been to a movie theater at least once the past three weeks.
But I'm a movie buff and not most people.
Theaters are gonna be like record stores and comic shops--for the hardcore fans.
And that's coming sooner than later.
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 3, 2021 2:04:54 GMT -5
I'm noticing this complaint lately from directors about streaming services. I like the occasional big screen too, but otherwise? Streaming is quicker, I'm still anxious about Covid, and my living room is cosier than a poorly air-conditioned room full of annoying teens. Let me live my life, rich person. Snacks are cheaper, too.
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Post by eJm on Sept 3, 2021 3:11:27 GMT -5
I think OP needs to know what an actual tantrum is.
I’ve worked with kids with special needs. Hell, I WAS a kid with special needs.
If that’s a tantrum, most of my life’s been wrong.
EDIT: And no, it isn’t exaggerating for comedic effect when the comedic effect isn’t funny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 3:57:17 GMT -5
I love the cinema and agree that seeing a film at home isn't the same as seeing it in the cinema. For an artist it must be so frustrating for people not to be able to experience it on the right canvas.
That said I totally understand anyone's reluctance about going back to theatre's. I've only been back once and that was in May. The pandemics still happening and a theatre is not a safe place from that perspective.
However, the OPs general anger and tone? Chill out man.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 3, 2021 6:26:35 GMT -5
I do find it pretty headtilting how pretty much any time the subject of Wonder Woman 1984 comes up anymore people just roundly dismiss it as widely despised and a disaster on every level. Its critical reviews were fairly middle of the road while audience response leaned positive and the sequel was greenlit two days after it released. There's pretty much no way you can call it some total fiasco regardless of whether you actually liked it or not. It wasnt a bad movie by any means. It just wasn't a great movie and felt disjointed in a lot of places. Diana felt like a supporting character in her own movie at times. But it wasn't a disaster by any means.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 3, 2021 6:45:09 GMT -5
The movie industry hasn't dealt with the fact that the movie experience has changed forever for most people. They're in the denial stage of grief. Bingo. The change is something that's been coming with the advent and evolution of streaming services and the pandemic over the last year and a half has done nothing but speed it up. I enjoy going to movies, but if the price is similar, if not cheaper for me to sit on my couch? There are gonna be times where that option is going to win, especially as we start to wander into the fall/winter
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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 3, 2021 8:16:35 GMT -5
Ah, so I see she's trying to strike a deal with Paramount... ( Context) Seriously though, for someone who has far more television direction experience than the THREE films she's put on the big screen, this is certainly a take to have. Bet she'll change her tune if she Netflix wants to extend her deal from limited TV series to an actual movie...
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 3, 2021 8:46:31 GMT -5
Which used up her goodwill quicker:
This? Or WW84?
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Post by Cyno on Sept 3, 2021 9:23:34 GMT -5
I think OP needs to know what an actual tantrum is. I’ve worked with kids with special needs. Hell, I WAS a kid with special needs. If that’s a tantrum, most of my life’s been wrong. EDIT: And no, it isn’t exaggerating for comedic effect when the comedic effect isn’t funny. I think the OP also needs to read things in context instead of going off choice quotes as clickbait.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 3, 2021 10:20:45 GMT -5
Yeah I don't care for the tone of the OP. Context is everything and it's unhealthy to fly off the handle over everything people say that you disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 11:31:32 GMT -5
I think OP needs to know what an actual tantrum is. I’ve worked with kids with special needs. Hell, I WAS a kid with special needs. If that’s a tantrum, most of my life’s been wrong. EDIT: And no, it isn’t exaggerating for comedic effect when the comedic effect isn’t funny. I wouldn't be surprised if the word tantrum was used because she's a woman. f*** it, I edited the title. Don't want us to look like misogynists, even if the OP is.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 3, 2021 11:34:43 GMT -5
That’s how I’ve felt, for like, the last half decade.
The industry is feeling jaded and cynical like me now!
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Sept 3, 2021 12:15:17 GMT -5
I also don't have to think that whining about movie theaters in a pandemic that's killed near 5 million people is anywhere near appropriate, do I? No but you talk a lot of shit and you of course go right at her as an artist. You get so angry with a lot of your threads. It's kind of scary sometimes. Eh, screw it, I don't want to see your threads anymore. Going to block your annoying ass. I have to admit I burst out laughing at the sheer bluntness of the last paragraph.
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Post by pinja on Sept 3, 2021 12:37:14 GMT -5
Last movie I watched in a cinema was Little Women - it was a great experience. Cinemas at their best can create a very private publicity, while home media at their best can create a very public privacy. And I believe that's the reason why movies with a theatrical release tend to become something bigger ("legendary greatness" is too grandiose). Going to a cinema is an experience starting with the plan to do so, getting there in time, buying the tickets and then some snacks, entering the screening room, finding your seat, getting comfortable etc. etc. and then finally watching the movie. Before, inbetween and after there'll will some differentiating moments for every viewer and in the end all those moments will enrich the movie. Those experiences will bleed into reviews, individual memories will blend in in a collective consciousness. That maybe a tad too much, but I hardly think home media has those same qualities, because the experience comes at a lower level and much more segregated from everyone else's experience.
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Post by lust on Sept 3, 2021 12:39:43 GMT -5
I might be a little out of bounds, but the behavior from the moderation team here is a little...concerning. I can appreciate advising the user against troublesome behavior, but the fairly open display of disdain toward the individual (other forums which do not purport to have this site's inclination toward decorum would usually see a normal user telling someone about the intention to block their "annoying ass" as inflammatory), as well as a post that all but affirms the user as sexist, are a bit uncomfortable.
As far as the subject of theaters, I can't say I have ever really attributed any personal value to them; I have never felt as if seeing a film on the big screen enhanced my viewing experience (to the contrary: I have fairly sensitive hearing, so I typically leave with headaches), so the convenience of streaming (limiting bothersome external factors, controlling volume, comfort, etc.,) is just more appealing to me.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 3, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -5
Cinemas became too loud. Which is why I stopped going.
Now, I watch very few films. Not a big fan of modern cinema. For the most part, the magic and wonder has gone.
Films today have a cynicism and snarkiness that I just don't find appealing.
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Post by BRV on Sept 3, 2021 12:57:27 GMT -5
I understand what she's saying and I don't disagree with her at all. Movies that debut on streaming services have little to no long-term staying power, and that's what she means when she says "I don’t hear about them, I don’t read about them. It’s not working as a model for establishing legendary greatness."
This was an issue I brought up during the most recent Oscar season. When a movie premieres on Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime or any of the other 10,000 streaming services, sure, it'll get people talking for a weekend, but it's here today, gone tomorrow. By the start of the following work week, it's like the movie never existed. And there's literally no excuse for that considering we've been cooped up indoors for the better part of the last 18 months.
That's not to say they're bad movies, but when a movie is released in theaters, people see it on the weekend, then go to work on Monday and talk about it with their colleagues, who then go to see it themselves the following weekend, thus repeating the cycle of word of mouth. But when it's streamed, the whole world sees it in one sitting, digests it, discusses it on social media, and then it's forgotten about. That is what she means when she says there's no model for establishing "legendary greatness."
Compare "Borat" to "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm." People quoted "Borat" for YEARS (hell, they still quote it when given the opportunity). It was ubiquitous. The sequel? Yeah, it got people talking for a weekend or two, but it doesn't even register compared to the popularity of the original. Nobody acknowledges it. It's like it up and vanished.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 3, 2021 13:13:47 GMT -5
Borat 2's legacy is that really awkward scene with a certain former New York City mayor.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 3, 2021 13:29:43 GMT -5
One thing I LOVE about watching movies from home is not having to put awkward and uncomfortable 3D goggles on over the glasses I'm already wearing and getting a significantly blurrier movie experience in the bargain
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Post by chazraps on Sept 3, 2021 13:41:46 GMT -5
When I first read the quote, I didn't think of it as a commentary on the theatrical experience, but rather a critique of the creation of content that streaming services use for movies.
They see what subjects are doing well on algorithms, which names are doing well on algorithms and then supply just the bare minimum enough budget to make money back by selling subscription renewals.
There's something very sterile, assembly line about that entire process that makes the concept of the creation of art seem artificial, which made the initial “all of the films that streaming services are putting out, I’m sorry, they look like fake movies to me” resonate with my feelings.
However, when put into the further context of her interview and her making it boil down to a "streaming vs theaters" and trying to say a studio should lead the charge for theaters only *during*a*pandemic* is where she absolutely loses me.
I'm a huge supporter of the theatrical experience as well, but her "I don't hear about them so they don't feel like they exist" is such a retroactive slap in the face to so many wildly important filmmakers who never had the Hollywood pipeline. Like, imagine her sitting down and sharing those comments with Maya Deren or Stan Brakhage or Kenneth Anger.
Like, theaters are a necessity and something to treasure, absolutely. AND studios should advocate for more diversity at the multiplex. BUT to weirdly champion TV shows in the binge model but refer to utilizing streaming services as "throwing away" movies when it's the absolute most accessible movies have ever been is really short-sighted and self-involved.
I totally get the desire and choice to make movies for the big screen. Cool. That's your choice and your movies. But artists just want their art seen and and this reads like an updated version of hating on the VHS industry 40 years ago.
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