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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 7, 2021 10:09:06 GMT -5
I’m glad Punk and Bryan are in a company they’re happy in and I’m sure they’ll have great matches, make the fans pop, but these are still the two guys that older male fans touted while they were insulting and ridiculing me for like Cena and the kid-friendly WWE product. And they’re also some of the same fans.
So I’m having a hard time getting hyped over that stuff, because I keep thinking back to how bad I got it ten years ago or so, and I feel bitter and upset about it.
This isn’t me trying to start any “this company vs. that company” stuff, because I personally hate that. It’s more of a personal hangup I can’t shake. I know I should suck it up, because not everyone will like the same kind of wrestling I do, but I can’t.
With AEW, and me having gotten so much “you drink the Vince Kool Aid” grief before, I seriously feel unwelcome as a wrestling fan.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 7, 2021 10:11:47 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. Hang in there
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:11:58 GMT -5
Still being hung up about a fanbase that didn't like what you liked over a decade later, to the point its affecting you mentally now, isn't healthy man. Its find a professional and work this out not healthy.
And I hope you do, think you're a good guy.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 10:14:38 GMT -5
I mean, I get what you're saying but...I don't know, it's hard for me to get into the idea of not liking something or feeling bitter because the fanbase sucked at one time.
Like, it's a cliche example but there are corners of the fanbase of the MCU who are genuinely outspokenly terrible. They're the same people that jump on others if they say anything that disagrees with them and they were the same people who acted like Sony were the bad guys in a dispute with Disney that, let's be frank here, both sides try to get the public relations victory on even though they're both billion-dollar companies who have major successes under their belt. It was like they were both trying the "Stand Up To WWE" tactic when they both have more money for PR than most of the tweeters have seen in their lives.
But it's unfair for me to put that on the talent or anyone in the company unless they're setting out to push that narrative and, for the most part, they're not.
And as an aside, I think AEW would do justice to Cena right now better than WWE would because, man, these past 5 years (outside of some exceptions here and there) they set out to dilute his star power to a ridiculous degree, more so than any other big star in their history.
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Post by pinja on Sept 7, 2021 10:26:21 GMT -5
I started developing video games around 2003/2004, when RPG Maker 2000 was really popular. It was my first and only internet home for the longest time. A few years ago I left for good, because the vitriol of some parts of the developer and player base was too loud, too much, and the mellow parts weren't joyful enough to balance it out. You have passion for something, pouring your heart into it - and it is ripped to shreds so badly, that overcoming it doesn't seem worth it. To this day I'm very reluctant to commend the gaming community as a whole due to my experiences and much anecdotal evidence. It may be unfair, but it is what it is. I moved on, leaving almost fiteen years of my life behind.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 7, 2021 10:28:33 GMT -5
I would encourage you to not let a smaller subsection of a larger audience deter you from enjoying stuff if you like wrestling. I've found most AEW fans are the ones saying that there's room to like both companies for their individual strengths. f*** anybody who criticizes you for what you like.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 7, 2021 10:31:17 GMT -5
As someone who's been to a handful of AEW shows, I'd think you'd be surprised at who makes up the fan base. I'm sure some of them are fans who hated Cena and what he stood for (hell I'm sure that's true of the WWE fan base as well). But when I've been there, lots of people bring their kids. Lots of people love acts geared towards a younger audience like Jurassic Express, Riho, and Darby. And when I ask people why they wanted an alternative to WWE, it's less about Cena and more the booking (rematches, terrible finishes, feeling like their favorites weren't ever going anywhere). And there are some complaints about part timers coming back but this weekend, I mainly heard it about Brock and Goldberg. Nothing about Cena. So I'm sure the audience will always be a mixed bag but I know from experience that it's a diverse group with a lot of different viewpoints.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 7, 2021 10:37:32 GMT -5
Like, I don't know. I used to kind of feel that way on a slightly different level (feeling like people were trying to push me into the position of "defending Vince" or "making excuses for Vince" or endorsing Vince's preferred toxic backstabbing locker room culture, etc.), but WWE has been a misery factory for so long now (not just from the "misery booking", but also how boring and repetitive it is on the whole) that I have a hard time caring anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 10:43:32 GMT -5
Ugh.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 7, 2021 12:02:47 GMT -5
Like, I don't know. I used to kind of feel that way on a slightly different level (feeling like people were trying to push me into the position of "defending Vince" or "making excuses for Vince" or endorsing Vince's preferred toxic backstabbing locker room culture, etc.), but WWE has been a misery factory for so long now (not just from the "misery booking", but also how boring and repetitive it is on the whole) that I have a hard time caring anymore. I mean, the thing with me is that I *still* enjoy parts of WWE today, with all of their problems. And though I have critiques of AEW too, I do think they have good shows and I want them to do well. With me, it’s more that I don’t like being seen as “the bad fan” or as if I’m some dumb mark because some of my tastes don’t jive with the typical die hard wrestling fan. And I kinda am one of the die hards anyway.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 7, 2021 12:11:48 GMT -5
I think to a lot of people AEW and The Elite are, fairly or unfairly, the personification of the worst of of IWC during the mid 2000s and through mid 2010s. I'll be honest for a long time I would not give ROH a shot because of the ROHBots back in the day because I wasn't as big of a fan of the people Gabe was pushing after Punk left.
I'm not saying this is specifically the case for you Clash, but more to say I think that is the biggest trend I see out there. But I think most of the shows are people just getting lost in the acts.
I think if you have criticisms most AEW fans are cool to talk about them as long as you aren't baiting people (which seems to be the biggest issues in disagreements here)
Long story short, I've had a bitterness to non WWE promotions before so I get where you're coming from.
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Post by spagett on Sept 7, 2021 12:17:31 GMT -5
Clash, it feels like every few months you post something about how upset you are that people don't like Cena and I don't really understand it. You did it for years then stopped for a while when Cena started to wind down, but it feels like his recent return has flared up these feelings.
I get you love Cena and he's your favourite but there's nothing wrong with people not liking Cena, you shouldn't be so fixated on it. Like another poster said it's really not healthy.
I don't mean this in a nasty way but nobody will care you are a big Cena fan. It's fine, you're not going to be shunned or made fun of by AEW fans, it's not an issue.
To be bitter about AEW because people didn't like Cena 10 years ago is just a bizarre take to me.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 12:18:05 GMT -5
I think to a lot of people AEW and The Elite are, fairly or unfairly, the personification of the worst of of IWC during the mid 2000s and through mid 2010s. I'll be honest for a long time I would not give ROH a shot because of the ROHBots back in the day because I wasn't as big of a fan of the people Gabe was pushing after Punk left. I'm not saying this is specifically the case for you Clash, but more to say I think that is the biggest trend I see out there. But I think most of the shows are people just getting lost in the acts. I think if you have criticisms most AEW fans are cool to talk about them as long as you aren't baiting people (which seems to be the biggest issues in disagreements here) Long story short, I've had a bitterness to non WWE promotions before so I get where you're coming from. I mean, f***, when I started modding, the TNA board was the worst in bitter rows about stuff especially at a time the company was in the shits creatively and it hampered my interest a bit because it made me think about those kinds of people we had before the product itself drove those people away. But, personally, I don’t hold it against the company itself because even TNA where it was then was too big a company to notice that sort of thing. Like, again, I get it and understand it but…it’s honestly not fair to hold it against the company itself and I can’t “get behind” that.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 7, 2021 12:20:01 GMT -5
I think to a lot of people AEW and The Elite are, fairly or unfairly, the personification of the worst of of IWC during the mid 2000s and through mid 2010s. I'll be honest for a long time I would not give ROH a shot because of the ROHBots back in the day because I wasn't as big of a fan of the people Gabe was pushing after Punk left. I'm not saying this is specifically the case for you Clash, but more to say I think that is the biggest trend I see out there. But I think most of the shows are people just getting lost in the acts. I think if you have criticisms most AEW fans are cool to talk about them as long as you aren't baiting people (which seems to be the biggest issues in disagreements here) Long story short, I've had a bitterness to non WWE promotions before so I get where you're coming from. I mean, f***, when I started modding, the TNA board was the worst in bitter rows about stuff especially at a time the company was in the shits creatively and it hampered my interest a bit because it made me think about those kinds of people we had before the product itself drove those people away. But, personally, I don’t hold it against the company itself because even TNA where it was then was too big a company to notice that sort of thing. Like, again, I get it and understand it but…it’s honestly not fair to hold it against the company itself and I can’t “get behind” that. Yep and I got over the issue with ROH. Bur I honestly feel like people are more accepting on the AEW board
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 12:23:34 GMT -5
I have a similar sort of hangup with The Rock. I get people love him, but I resent every time he comes back because there's so many hard working talent who are amazing on the show already and then this goon comes back and gets booked to make everyone look like a moron. Suddenly everybody starts going "Oh he outclasses EVERYBODY" on the microphone when like, duh, that's because he's the only one allowed to say some of the stuff he says. AND some of his stuff is garbage.
Next time he comes back everyone will love it and I will be JUDGING YOU ALL.
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Post by eJm on Sept 7, 2021 12:25:13 GMT -5
I mean, f***, when I started modding, the TNA board was the worst in bitter rows about stuff especially at a time the company was in the shits creatively and it hampered my interest a bit because it made me think about those kinds of people we had before the product itself drove those people away. But, personally, I don’t hold it against the company itself because even TNA where it was then was too big a company to notice that sort of thing. Like, again, I get it and understand it but…it’s honestly not fair to hold it against the company itself and I can’t “get behind” that. Yep and I got over the issue with ROH. Bur I honestly feel like people are more accepting on the AEW board I don’t speak for the other mods but from my perspective, my only thing would be I sort of wish a) people would clarify their hot takes more (it’s not the only place but stuff like that irks me and it then leads to people thinking they’re being jumped on for it, causing more rows) and b) we wouldn’t be quick to defend stuff because, hey, we’re still talking about a two year old company that has sealed its future. We’re well past the TNA stage where they spent so much with no benefit that they’d be dead 4 months later if it wasn’t for somewhere else bailing them out. There’s still time for them to improve and justification for criticism. They’re likely going to get another extension of their Turner contract unless stuff goes horrifically wrong in two years so it’s not like they can’t improve on stuff.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 7, 2021 12:31:04 GMT -5
There are Punk/Danielson fans that also like Cena. I'm one.
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Post by clifford on Sept 7, 2021 12:45:06 GMT -5
I'm not in any way trying to invalidate your feelings OP, and sorry if I come across that way- You liking Cena, or anyone in WWE for that matter, should play no part in being able to enjoy other wrestlers or companies.
I'm sorry you had those crap experiences years ago- that certain fanbase was very toxic, and even today there are pockets of it. But this sub board I feel is pretty chill for the most part. So don't feel bad you can't enjoy certain wrestlers or shows, but you'll always be welcome here.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 7, 2021 12:47:52 GMT -5
I lived through the Monday Night Wars, you either learn to get over the stuff, or move on to something else.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 7, 2021 12:52:35 GMT -5
This stuff was going on when I joined this forum a decade ago. At what point does it become acceptable to just tell someone to get over it? I don't want to invalidate your feelings, but the fact that there have been dozens of threads on this exact topic is just not healthy, especially now when there's almost zero prompting and Cena is essentially out the door. Vast swathes of the wrestling fandom grew up with Cena at this stage, people who virulently hate the guy are a minority of a minority. I like Cena. Most of us like Cena. Even if you don't like Cena as a wrestler most people don't have anything against the person.
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