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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2021 13:20:06 GMT -5
What does his shirt actually say before "Kills COVID-19?" Is it an anti-vaxxer thing?
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Post by sushiburrito on Oct 18, 2021 13:32:57 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned that Cage is one of 8 men along with TJP who could be the new XPW Champion??? I do like how guys like Colby Corino elected not to do the show once they were called out for it, and I wouldn't expect G-Raver or Shlak to be too concerned with their images, but it's surprising that apparently Cage and Willie Mack are cool with working for Rob Black. Yeah I'm shocked at anyone with a contract somewhere would actually work it. Mack apparently went to XPW back in the day and grew up a fan at least. But an AEW person working the show? I'll be shocked it actually happens. I fully expect the show to not even happen after dark side of the ring airs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 13:37:44 GMT -5
I thought they were setting up Punk vs. Starks or hell Punk vs. Hook.
Then Punk beats Hobbs and then nothing.
Now Starks vs. Cage is still going on for some reason, but it’s mostly quick chase segments with no bumps.
Is Starks neck still garbage?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 18, 2021 13:47:42 GMT -5
What does his shirt actually say before "Kills COVID-19?" Is it an anti-vaxxer thing? I think it says TREN which might be short for the steroid trenbolone.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 18, 2021 13:58:02 GMT -5
What does his shirt actually say before "Kills COVID-19?" Is it an anti-vaxxer thing? Pretty sure it says "Strength kills COVID-19". Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he doesn't mean JUST strength is sufficient to beat the virus, but given some of the other positions he seems to have that seems like a stretch.
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Post by sushiburrito on Oct 18, 2021 14:10:52 GMT -5
It just looks like Tren to me. There's nothing after the n.
Not shocking he would be pro steroids being a treatment for covid.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2021 14:14:14 GMT -5
It just looks like Tren to me. There's nothing after the n. Not shocking he would be pro steroids being a treatment for covid. The needle underneath certainly suggests that. And he's pro-steroids for everything else.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 18, 2021 14:22:11 GMT -5
Following Pro-Board rules,lets not talk about the message on the shirt itself or theories, apparently they are pretty strict about what can be considered misnformation.
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Post by jordo34 on Oct 20, 2021 18:42:18 GMT -5
honestly, He hasn't worked out, I'd be happy to not re-sign him, let him go be in XPW instead if he so wishes
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 20, 2021 18:51:44 GMT -5
There's always been someone better than Cage in AEW, it's probably best to let his contract expire or for him to request a release because that Team Taz stuff was absolutely his ceiling in AEW.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 19:11:47 GMT -5
I honestly thought Cage would be a can't miss for AEW.
Turns out, Lucha Underground was just amazing at making anyone look good. As others (possibly even myself earlier in the thread, I dunno, it's been around a while) have said, there's nothing Cage brings that isn't already done better by other performers.
Sorry, is what it is.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Oct 21, 2021 8:48:14 GMT -5
I honestly thought Cage would be a can't miss for AEW. Turns out, Lucha Underground was just amazing at making anyone look good. As others (possibly even myself earlier in the thread, I dunno, it's been around a while) have said, there's nothing Cage brings that isn't already done better by other performers. Sorry, is what it is. It's kinda crazy to think about...AEW...a company that plays to wrestler's strengths... And yet Cage has been exposed in a short amount of time in being kind of generic. Interesting. And to that point, it just shows how f***ing good LU was at the time.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 21, 2021 9:04:10 GMT -5
I honestly thought Cage would be a can't miss for AEW. Turns out, Lucha Underground was just amazing at making anyone look good. As others (possibly even myself earlier in the thread, I dunno, it's been around a while) have said, there's nothing Cage brings that isn't already done better by other performers. Sorry, is what it is. It's kinda crazy to think about...AEW...a company that plays to wrestler's strengths... And yet Cage has been exposed in a short amount of time in being kind of generic. Interesting. And to that point, it just shows how f***ing good LU was at the time. LU was good, but LU was also plying in a different world. Their presentation leaned a lot more into genre fiction and produced lots of television-style segments that helped them build up characters and their mythologies in a way that turned a lot of people into forces beyond what they could have been in a more standard promotion. AEW isn't a 'pure wrestling' promotion by comparison to other companies out there, but their presentation is still a lot more straightforward and if he doesn't have much personality to show, AEW isn't the company that's gonna find it for him. They're very good at playing to wrestlers' strengths in the ring, and Cage puts on good matches, but that's not really enough to get him up to that next level.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Oct 21, 2021 9:37:49 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy to think about...AEW...a company that plays to wrestler's strengths... And yet Cage has been exposed in a short amount of time in being kind of generic. Interesting. And to that point, it just shows how f***ing good LU was at the time. LU was good, but LU was also plying in a different world. Their presentation leaned a lot more into genre fiction and produced lots of television-style segments that helped them build up characters and their mythologies in a way that turned a lot of people into forces beyond what they could have been in a more standard promotion. AEW isn't a 'pure wrestling' promotion by comparison to other companies out there, but their presentation is still a lot more straightforward and if he doesn't have much personality to show, AEW isn't the company that's gonna find it for him. They're very good at playing to wrestlers' strengths in the ring, and Cage puts on good matches, but that's not really enough to get him up to that next level. It is exactly why you always hear it (and not just from me) that the the best versions of the LU talent that are all over is their LU versions. I have said it about Cage LU added small things to Cage that gave him just a bit more like just refering him to him as CAGE , the lingering mystery of whether he was an actual MACHINE , Melissa Santos announcing him from the 559!. Cage has none of that in AEW because atleast to me because that level of detail is not AEW because like you said they are very straightforward.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 21, 2021 10:48:19 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy to think about...AEW...a company that plays to wrestler's strengths... And yet Cage has been exposed in a short amount of time in being kind of generic. Interesting. And to that point, it just shows how f***ing good LU was at the time. LU was good, but LU was also plying in a different world. Their presentation leaned a lot more into genre fiction and produced lots of television-style segments that helped them build up characters and their mythologies in a way that turned a lot of people into forces beyond what they could have been in a more standard promotion. AEW isn't a 'pure wrestling' promotion by comparison to other companies out there, but their presentation is still a lot more straightforward and if he doesn't have much personality to show, AEW isn't the company that's gonna find it for him. They're very good at playing to wrestlers' strengths in the ring, and Cage puts on good matches, but that's not really enough to get him up to that next level. All that. LU was about production and presentation (and just smaller, in a lot of ways) AEW can only do so much. There’s a lot of great, young, hungry talent in AEW. It’s certainly not the attitude era “shark infested waters” competitive environment but ..there is a bit of “pulling your weight” ish. There’s only so much screen time. Especially now.
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Post by chaosschoolproject on Oct 21, 2021 11:10:16 GMT -5
LU was good, but LU was also plying in a different world. Their presentation leaned a lot more into genre fiction and produced lots of television-style segments that helped them build up characters and their mythologies in a way that turned a lot of people into forces beyond what they could have been in a more standard promotion. AEW isn't a 'pure wrestling' promotion by comparison to other companies out there, but their presentation is still a lot more straightforward and if he doesn't have much personality to show, AEW isn't the company that's gonna find it for him. They're very good at playing to wrestlers' strengths in the ring, and Cage puts on good matches, but that's not really enough to get him up to that next level. All that. LU was about production and presentation (and just smaller, in a lot of ways) AEW can only do so much. There’s a lot of great, young, hungry talent in AEW. It’s certainly not the attitude era “shark infested waters” competitive environment but ..there is a bit of “pulling your weight” ish. There’s only so much screen time. Especially now. It seems to be the classic environment of talent pitching ideas or 'selling themselves' to be featured. TH2 have been very open bout how they weren't being featured for a while as they are not the best at pitching. I'm not saying Cage doesn't sell himself but his matches do come across as I need to get my shit in then we can worry about the story.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 21, 2021 11:18:46 GMT -5
All that. LU was about production and presentation (and just smaller, in a lot of ways) AEW can only do so much. There’s a lot of great, young, hungry talent in AEW. It’s certainly not the attitude era “shark infested waters” competitive environment but ..there is a bit of “pulling your weight” ish. There’s only so much screen time. Especially now. It seems to be the classic environment of talent pitching ideas or 'selling themselves' to be featured. TH2 have been very open bout how they weren't being featured for a while as they are not the best at pitching. I'm not saying Cage doesn't sell himself but his matches do come across as I need to get my shit in then we can worry about the story. Yeah..probably. I mean, his matches with Hangman were some of my favorites in AEW tbh. ‘Specially the PPV one but I won’t argue that’s what it was. I also enjoyed the stuff with Sting. I mean, to me he’s a generic hoss who’s fun to watch. And that’s ..about it lol.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Oct 21, 2021 11:33:12 GMT -5
This is the Cage people were likely expecting because while this is a very straight forward introduction there is just something about the presentation of him here that no one else has been able to tap into.
And also to go back to something I said about LU giving him small but crucial details that give him that little something that defines only him and that is that we see his immunity to glass bottles.
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Post by chaosschoolproject on Oct 21, 2021 11:34:43 GMT -5
It seems to be the classic environment of talent pitching ideas or 'selling themselves' to be featured. TH2 have been very open bout how they weren't being featured for a while as they are not the best at pitching. I'm not saying Cage doesn't sell himself but his matches do come across as I need to get my shit in then we can worry about the story. Yeah..probably. I mean, his matches with Hangman were some of my favorites in AEW tbh. ‘Specially the PPV one but I won’t argue that’s what it was. I also enjoyed the stuff with Sting. I mean, to me he’s a generic hoss who’s fun to watch. And that’s ..about it lol. Don't get me wrong, he does have fun matches but his lack of personality really drags him down. It was a good start pairing him with Taz but he immediately got overshadowed by the rest of the team. Staring t the camera open mouthed saying Who betta'now and then isn't that interesting. A great description of him is that he would be perfect for a modern day territorial system. He can wow new audiences with his amazing move set and leaves a few months later before it kicks in that he's not got that much else. Unfortunately for Cage if he actually is unhappy with AEW is that I doubt WWE would touch him with his history of serious injuries, no longer a spring chicken and despite his mass is pretty short for a hoss especially compared to their big guys. Cage needs a new way to stand out or we will be lost in the shuffle. Hopefully the Taz feud has ended and he can face someone new.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 17:02:14 GMT -5
This is the Cage people were likely expecting because while this is a very straight forward introduction there is just something about the presentation of him here that no one else has been able to tap into. And also to go back to something I said about LU giving him small but crucial details that give him that little something that defines only him and that is that we see his immunity to glass bottles. I think it'll take another decade or so, but LU is going to go down as one of those underground things (no pun intended) that will be an influence on something far more successful and mainstream. I recognize that the talent doesn't think fondly of it from the contract and money point of view, but a lot of guys that are now in AEW or WWE got their start and got their shine in LU.
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