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Post by The Ichi on Sept 9, 2021 20:02:56 GMT -5
He’d be better in WWE. He’s good but with so many huge names in AEW right now I don’t ever see him in a big spot in AEW. WWE wouldn't allow him to do all his moves and change his in-ring style. He wouldn't be happy there either. He also doesn't have charisma and promo skills. So he wouldn't be in better spot there either. Look at Keith Lee. At most, he'd be a monster of the month kinda guy in WWE for whoever the top face there is (I seriously don't know, is it still Mcintyre?). That and, well... assuming they still have a strict no drug policy, his size would mysteriously change.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 9, 2021 20:06:00 GMT -5
Cage would probably have a higher card spot in TNA, but right now I can't say I'd put him above anyone else in the pecking order, and would absoltuely pace a lot of people getting less than he does up above him. This is just the worst roster for him to want to move up in. Yeah unless he gets better in promos and adds more to his character. He's not going to have higher spot elsewhere. Impact is only place maybe. But if they add someone like Braun. Well he's going to be less impressive there. I think even with the addition of Braun. Like, Cage's biggest competition isn't just big dudes. He and Hobbs were able to coexist on the same team because one is a much more traditional big man than the other. TNA would have room with him even if Braun's going there. I don't think AEW has that room. I think they have significantly stronger top stars now, and a future class of top stars ready to blow his ass out the water.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Sept 9, 2021 20:08:32 GMT -5
It was bound to happen, that someone would complain about their spot. It won't be the last. Personally for me, he was the only member of team Taz that I liked. He doesn't have a ton of personality, but with a good manager he would be fine. I think besides Miro and Wardlow he may be the best big man they got. Head and shoulders above Luchasaurus and Hager. He would be a better fit in WWE.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2021 20:28:01 GMT -5
I still don't know if he would be a better fit in WWE. Like yes he has the size they like and he can work... but you see what WWE creative does to these people... Cage isn't a world champion right now or holding a belt but I don't really know if he would be in WWE either
If he eventually decides he isn't getting what he thinks he deserves in AEW... then by all means go ahead and give it a shot. But Brian Cage has been featured on almost every AEW Dynamite for the last year in some form. Matches. Promos. They try and keep him around which shows they clearly value him. It's a matter of finding a spot for him now as a face... and like he JUST turned face so you'd think they'd have some patience about it.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 9, 2021 20:28:15 GMT -5
It was bound to happen, that someone would complain about their spot. It won't be the last. Personally for me, he was the only member of team Taz that I liked. He doesn't have a ton of personality, but with a good manager he would be fine. I think besides Miro and Wardlow he may be the best big man they got. Head and shoulders above Luchasaurus and Hager. He would be a better fit in WWE. Hager’s a really good cornerman for Jericho. That alone gives him more of a spot then I can think of for Cage right now. Like I said earlier, Cage was f***ed the second Miro’s 90 days ended. Cage would’ve been a solid monster TNT champ, but Miro is sooooooo much better in the role because he’s a solid promo. He has this “God’s Favourite Champion” thing dialed right in. And Cage should be a solid upper mid but there is such a solid logjam of better right now. Yet, he’s to good to squander on Dark to kill time. It’s a shitty spot to be honest. EDIT: I really don’t blame him for being frustrated, but I wouldn’t have gone public. That seems like something that would really bother TK
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 9, 2021 20:34:13 GMT -5
It was bound to happen, that someone would complain about their spot. It won't be the last. Personally for me, he was the only member of team Taz that I liked. He doesn't have a ton of personality, but with a good manager he would be fine. I think besides Miro and Wardlow he may be the best big man they got. Head and shoulders above Luchasaurus and Hager. He would be a better fit in WWE. Hager’s a really good cornerman for Jericho. That alone gives him more of a spot then I can think of for Cage right now. Like I said earlier, Cage was f***ed the second Miro’s 90 days ended. Cage would’ve been a solid monster TNT champ, but Miro is sooooooo much better in the role because he’s a solid promo. He has this “God’s Favourite Champion” thing dialed right in. And Cage should be a solid upper mid but there is such a solid logjam of better right now. Yet, he’s to good to squander on Dark to kill time. It’s a shitty spot to be honest. EDIT: I really don’t blame him for being frustrated, but I wouldn’t have gone public. That seems like something that would really bother TK Miro vs Cage for the TNT Title wouldn't be a bad idea actually. Depends on if Kingston wins the belt or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 20:34:59 GMT -5
Cage was great in LU, where he was a big fish in a small pond.
Now he's in the ocean with arguably the best talent pool in the world. The simple answer is that he's gotta find something to make himself stand out, because while he may very well be one of the better hosses in-ring, he has little else besides that. Even JAKE HAGER seems more memorable with his dumb jock mannerisms.
Here's the way I see it:
-Lance Archer is the tweener hoss that is intense as hell and just wants to kill you. That's probably what Cage WANTS, but Archer is way better at it.
-Luchasaurus is a wrestling dinosaur. Good luck beating that.
-Jake Hager is basically Jericho's meathead muscle and he does that pretty well
-Miro is on a whole 'nother level promo wise right now, and like Archer, he wrestles with an intensity that I've yet to see out of Cage in AEW.
-Wardlow is Batista 2.0. That's not a bad thing.
-Even Hobbs is outshining him as the big mean bully of team Taz.
Basically... I just don't see what Brian Cage as he currently is offers. Give him a gimmick. Put him in Dark Order. Give him SOMETHING, because on his own he's that aforementioned fish from a small pond that's getting devoured by the sharks.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 9, 2021 20:41:09 GMT -5
Hager’s a really good cornerman for Jericho. That alone gives him more of a spot then I can think of for Cage right now. Like I said earlier, Cage was f***ed the second Miro’s 90 days ended. Cage would’ve been a solid monster TNT champ, but Miro is sooooooo much better in the role because he’s a solid promo. He has this “God’s Favourite Champion” thing dialed right in. And Cage should be a solid upper mid but there is such a solid logjam of better right now. Yet, he’s to good to squander on Dark to kill time. It’s a shitty spot to be honest. EDIT: I really don’t blame him for being frustrated, but I wouldn’t have gone public. That seems like something that would really bother TK Miro vs Cage for the TNT Title wouldn't be a bad idea actually. Depends on if Kingston wins the belt or not. Gotta put the belt on Kingston in Arthur Ashe. Even if he drops it back by Full Gear. But Miro/Cage would be an awesome TNT match, however no way would I put Cage over. There’s really not a spot for him right now other then the old Big Show “monster of the week” occasional appearance. Like, he’s one of the Labours of Jericho, he answers an open challenge, shit like that. There’s so much talent I think deserves a regular spot ahead of him, which is a shame because he is damn good.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Sept 9, 2021 20:44:26 GMT -5
Miro vs Cage for the TNT Title wouldn't be a bad idea actually. Depends on if Kingston wins the belt or not. Gotta put the belt on Kingston in Arthur Ashe. Even if he drops it back by Full Gear. But Miro/Cage would be an awesome TNT match, but no way would I put Cage over. There’s really not a spot for him right now other then the old Big Show “monster of the week” occasional appearance. Like, he’s one of the Labours of Jericho, he answers an open challenge, shit like that. There’s so much talent I think deserves a regular spot ahead of him, which is a shame because he is damn good. Miro's too hot right now to drop the title. Plus dropping the title just to win it right back is never a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 20:44:52 GMT -5
I have already said but to repeat IMO Cage is always going to have a ceiling on him in any company that emphasises the in-ring over character and story and evidence is in the companies he has thrived in.
He would absoloutley thrive in NXT....then he gets the main roster and he would completely falls into Karrion Kross territory.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 9, 2021 20:54:08 GMT -5
I have already said but to repeat IMO Cage is always going to have a ceiling on him in any company that emphasises the in-ring over character and story and evidence is in the companies he has thrived in. He would absoloutley thrive in NXT....then he gets the main roster and he would completely falls into Karrion Kross territory. It's weird you say that because I think his biggest problem in Impact and AEW both has been a lack of interesting character or story. He's a great athlete and his athleticism shines in matches, though something about his psychology is off. Almost like he's a human CAW at times.
Maybe it's because his particular brand of storytelling works better in a company like Lucha Underground. Or LU did a lot better job of hiding his weaknesses and playing off his strengths.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 9, 2021 20:59:45 GMT -5
Gotta put the belt on Kingston in Arthur Ashe. Even if he drops it back by Full Gear. But Miro/Cage would be an awesome TNT match, but no way would I put Cage over. There’s really not a spot for him right now other then the old Big Show “monster of the week” occasional appearance. Like, he’s one of the Labours of Jericho, he answers an open challenge, shit like that. There’s so much talent I think deserves a regular spot ahead of him, which is a shame because he is damn good. Miro's too hot right now to drop the title. Plus dropping the title just to win it right back is never a good idea. You generally can with a secondary title and still protect it. Especially with someone like Miro, dude gets caught by someone like Kingston you could definitely have Miro win the trilogy match clean as a sheet and re-establish his dominance. I just feel beating Kingston a second time, in Queens, is a terrible idea. EDIT: Secondary titles get defended way more, makes sense for them to flip more often
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Post by Dub H on Sept 9, 2021 21:00:39 GMT -5
I have already said but to repeat IMO Cage is always going to have a ceiling on him in any company that emphasises the in-ring over character and story and evidence is in the companies he has thrived in. He would absoloutley thrive in NXT....then he gets the main roster and he would completely falls into Karrion Kross territory. Cage main issue is charisma and storytelling in ring,you need something that makes up for it But he has thrived ,he has done well,he just is an lower tier than main event. Like his matches with Stark,Darby Sting are really freaking good and the stories well received
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 9, 2021 21:05:08 GMT -5
It's weird you say that because I think his biggest problem in Impact and AEW both has been a lack of interesting character or story. He's a great athlete and his athleticism shines in matches, though something about his psychology is off. Almost like he's a human CAW at times. Do I remember right that he's outright said that he never bothered to learn psychology? He certainly comes across that way. Opponents can build a story around him pretty easily, because "huge unstoppable guy doing crazy spots no matter what his opponent tries" is a really easy narrative element to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 21:05:17 GMT -5
I have already said but to repeat IMO Cage is always going to have a ceiling on him in any company that emphasises the in-ring over character and story and evidence is in the companies he has thrived in. He would absoloutley thrive in NXT....then he gets the main roster and he would completely falls into Karrion Kross territory. It's weird you say that because I think his biggest problem in Impact and AEW both has been a lack of interesting character or story. He's a great athlete and his athleticism shines in matches, though something about his psychology is off. Almost like he's a human CAW at times. Maybe it's because his particular brand of storytelling works better in a company like Lucha Underground. Or LU did a lot better job of hiding his weaknesses and playing off his strengths.
And that was the absoloute strength of their writing they knew how to write for everyone on that show. And they clearly knew Cage's limitations and made sure when writing for him it was highlighting what he could do and keeping what he could not do to a bare minimum. And also another key...his character was never compromised and this was him on a loaded as f*** roster that funny enough is what makes up alot of wrestling rosters on television right now so not like he cannot hold his own...it is the lack of giving him that same attention IMO and that to me seems to be the crux of Melissa's and by proxy Cage's issue.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 9, 2021 21:11:27 GMT -5
WWE wouldn't allow him to do all his moves and change his in-ring style. He wouldn't be happy there either. He also doesn't have charisma and promo skills. So he wouldn't be in better spot there either. Look at Keith Lee. At most, he'd be a monster of the month kinda guy in WWE for whoever the top face there is (I seriously don't know, is it still Mcintyre?). That and, well... assuming they still have a strict no drug policy, his size would mysteriously change. I'd say there isn't really a top face right now, Drew's been feuding with Jinder all summer and RKBro are effectively the top faces on Raw right now, while Roman is in the Heel Top Guy role, so the best spot Cage could get would be a losing challenger against Reigns lol.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 9, 2021 21:18:18 GMT -5
Cage is not that tall, so he'd look already pretty small compared to your average WWE top star. I can't see WWE picking up that guy and Vince thinking he'd be one of their next monster heels. He's roughly as tall as L.A. Knight, so he's probably a good comp to what, at best, you could expect from him.
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Post by y4j1981 on Sept 9, 2021 22:19:41 GMT -5
AEW trusted him enough to bump Sting for the first time in years. Cage is a guy who you see him wrestle and you're like "wow why didn't I care about this guy?" and then you stop caring about him until that moment comes again. Was the same way in Impact. Being an anti-vaxxer probably doesn't do him a lot of favors either.Where have you heard or seen that? Can't pull anything up on Google that backs that up
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Post by markymark on Sept 9, 2021 22:55:19 GMT -5
AEW trusted him enough to bump Sting for the first time in years. Cage is a guy who you see him wrestle and you're like "wow why didn't I care about this guy?" and then you stop caring about him until that moment comes again. Was the same way in Impact. Being an anti-vaxxer probably doesn't do him a lot of favors either.Where have you heard or seen that? Can't pull anything up on Google that backs that up Cage is buddies with Drake Wuartz and Joey Ryan.
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Post by moxfan1 on Sept 9, 2021 23:34:56 GMT -5
Cage is not that tall, so he'd look already pretty small compared to your average WWE top star. I can't see WWE picking up that guy and Vince thinking he'd be one of their next monster heels. He's roughly as tall as L.A. Knight, so he's probably a good comp to what, at best, you could expect from him. WWE superstar aren't that big these days tho. He's around 5"11 or 6 foot and most guys are 6'3 to 5'9 in WWE. Which is probably why WWE wants to change how they find talent. I think biggest problem is Cage in-ring style. His own thing is get my shit in. He likes to do all these cool Cruiserweight moves as a big guy. It makes him stand out. But Vince McMahon would flip out If he saw someone as jacked as him doing the stuff he does. So he would have to change style to just monster guy throwing people around. Plus let's not forget he was free agent in Janaury 2020. He choose to come to AEW. So he could have went to WWE then if he wanted or they were interested.
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