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Post by The Ichi on Dec 31, 2023 18:11:11 GMT -5
Everyone’s been freaking out about main event diversity and it only took them a little over 4 years to get to a non white champion Please don't tell me you're acting like this is an achievement. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 31, 2023 18:16:19 GMT -5
Everyone’s been freaking out about main event diversity and it only took them a little over 4 years to get to a non white champion Please don't tell me you're acting like this is an achievement. Is it a grand achievement? No, but I think Jericho, Mox, Kenny, Hangman, Punk, and MJF all deserved the title first. Sure Max’s reign went a little longer than it should have, but everything will be fine. Joe is champ right now and Swerve will likely be champ next year |
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Dec 31, 2023 18:17:09 GMT -5
4 years and 363 days if we're nitpicking. Jericho, Moxley, and Omega as the first three champs which take up the first two years were the right choices due to their WWE & NJPW pedigree and the company's youth, had Lashley been a free agent in 2019 he'd have probably been one of those early champs but he wasn't so that's that. After Omega choices for champ get a bit more complicated and controversial...
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Post by The Captain on Dec 31, 2023 18:37:26 GMT -5
MJF was our first AEW World Champ from a marginalized community as a Jewish man. Samoa Joe is our first PoC and Pacific Islander AEW World Champ.
And I really think it's when and not if Swerve will be our first Black AEW World Champ.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 31, 2023 19:16:26 GMT -5
4 years and 363 days if we're nitpicking. Jericho, Moxley, and Omega as the first three champs which take up the first two years were the right choices due to their WWE & NJPW pedigree and the company's youth, had Lashley been a free agent in 2019 he'd have probably been one of those early champs but he wasn't so that's that. After Omega choices for champ get a bit more complicated and controversial... The first world champ wasn’t crowned until August of 2019 so I think that’s a better starting point. If Someone like Lashley or Big E came in instead of Punk, they absolutely would of been world champs |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2023 22:08:01 GMT -5
Everyone’s been freaking out about main event diversity and it only took them a little over 4 years to get to a non white champion Please don't tell me you're acting like this is an achievement. I wouldn't call it an achievement, but I would note that it's not exactly like ROH and TNA having Low Ki and Ron Killings, respectively, as some of their first champions is especially the norm in North American wrestling. Then again, MLW did have Satoshi Kojima in its first run, and then Swerve after it started back up, so it's not like TNA and ROH were alone in it, either. Though, now I'm sort of wondering if the other three have had any Jewish champions yet. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 31, 2023 22:16:18 GMT -5
Please don't tell me you're acting like this is an achievement. I wouldn't call it an achievement, but I would note that it's not exactly like ROH and TNA having Low Ki and Ron Killings, respectively, as some of their first champions is especially the norm in North American wrestling. Then again, MLW did have Satoshi Kojima in its first run, and then Swerve after it started back up, so it's not like TNA and ROH were alone in it, either. Though, now I'm sort of wondering if the other three have had any Jewish champions yet. As far as I can see, Raven is the only Jewish World Champion TNA/Impact's ever had when he was NWA World Champion in 2005. I don't think a single Jewish person has held the ROH World Championship either.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2023 22:18:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it an achievement, but I would note that it's not exactly like ROH and TNA having Low Ki and Ron Killings, respectively, as some of their first champions is especially the norm in North American wrestling. Then again, MLW did have Satoshi Kojima in its first run, and then Swerve after it started back up, so it's not like TNA and ROH were alone in it, either. Though, now I'm sort of wondering if the other three have had any Jewish champions yet. As far as I can see, Raven is the only Jewish World Champion TNA/Impact's ever had when he was NWA World Champion in 2005. I don't think a single Jewish person has held the ROH World Championship either.
Oh duh, Raven, of course. Yeah, good on TNA on that front, even if they royally f***ed him over as champion. And yeah, which is such bullshit considering Colt Cabana really should have at various points. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 31, 2023 22:18:16 GMT -5
I do think it's important to both consider the diversity of the main event scene (which does matter a lot) and the actual booking as well. NWA-TNA made Ron Killings their world champion very early on which is great but when you go back and watch the product - they did some...racially questionable angles...
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Post by The Captain on Dec 31, 2023 22:20:27 GMT -5
As far as I can see, Raven is the only Jewish World Champion TNA/Impact's ever had when he was NWA World Champion in 2005. I don't think a single Jewish person has held the ROH World Championship either.
Oh duh, Raven, of course. Yeah, good on TNA on that front, even if they royally f***ed him over as champion. And yeah, which is such bullshit considering Colt Cabana really should have at various points. Yeah I'm really surprised Colt was only a tag champion in ROH. Same with Matt Sydal, though he was an X Division Champ in Impact and something called the Grand Champion. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 31, 2023 22:24:45 GMT -5
Crazy about Colt considering how much of a mainstay he was in ROH.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2023 22:27:20 GMT -5
Oh duh, Raven, of course. Yeah, good on TNA on that front, even if they royally f***ed him over as champion. And yeah, which is such bullshit considering Colt Cabana really should have at various points. Yeah I'm really surprised Colt was only a tag champion in ROH. Same with Matt Sydal, though he was an X Division Champ in Impact and something called the Grand Champion. It's the one that had previously been the "Legends" title that Booker T gave himself, which later became the Grand championship, and then the TV title, and eventually was just rendered defunct. So, basically their low tier title even if some big names did win it at various points. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 31, 2023 22:30:38 GMT -5
As for WWE, I know of at least Goldberg and Randy Savage.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 31, 2023 22:40:39 GMT -5
3 of 4 men's champs are PoC. Polynesian, Hispanic, and orange. Impressive
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2023 22:49:30 GMT -5
As for WWE, I know of at least Goldberg and Randy Savage. I've seen it said Kane is, too, but I'm also under the impression this is incorrect. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 1, 2024 9:33:39 GMT -5
3 of 4 men's champs are PoC. Polynesian, Hispanic, and orange. Impressive its sad that Orange Cassidy is the only orange person since Hulk Hogan to reach such heights. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jan 1, 2024 9:47:25 GMT -5
3 of 4 men's champs are PoC. Polynesian, Hispanic, and orange. Impressive its sad that Orange Cassidy is the only orange person since Hulk Hogan to reach such heights. Well there's that one other guy who had a few WWE moments but I can't bring him up here |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 1, 2024 9:55:56 GMT -5
its sad that Orange Cassidy is the only orange person since Hulk Hogan to reach such heights. Well there's that one other guy who had a few WWE moments but I can't bring him up here No you can bring up Enzo Amore, he's talked about on the AEW board a lot |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 4, 2024 0:09:45 GMT -5
Swerve time is coming soon
They let him show emotion in the ring and solidify his face/tweener run
He should be up next
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Post by uewfigfed on Mar 4, 2024 0:13:41 GMT -5
Swerve time is coming soon They let him show emotion in the ring and solidify his face/tweener run He should be up next Yeah this and hangman’s obsession are his consequences for his heeled sh actions. I’m loving that it seems AEW finally seems to getting a grip on their sandbox |
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