The Main Event Racial Diversity Is Getting Better In AEW

[daaave]

I really don't think they will do Ospreay vs Swerve at Wembley and have Ospreay win. Like that is far too short of a run by AEW standards. And it'll end with 60k stadium booing him and cheering on his opponent. That's not best optics for this Swerve run IMO. Especially if only a 4 month run

[jb80]

Once Tony signs Von Wagner we'll be getting some of that sweet prehistoric man representation that AEW has been sorely lacking if we're being real here.

[cjb01: Limited Edition Item!]

Apr 22, 2024 15:06:00 GMT -5 jb80 said:

Once Tony signs Von Wagner we'll be getting some of that sweet prehistoric man representation that AEW has been sorely lacking if we're being real here.

Is Luchasaurus a joke to you?

[sfvega]

Swerve's talk in the scrum touches on a lot of the points of this thread, especially the "it's not the right time" stuff. Very validating.

Needs someone safe for his first feud. Christian does fit the bill, technically. Established name, can go in the ring, cheap heat master, is a heel. Ospreay feels too early. Neither of them needs to lose the rest of the year, tbh.

[IgnahtaSempria]

Apr 22, 2024 15:08:45 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Apr 22, 2024 15:06:00 GMT -5 jb80 said:

Once Tony signs Von Wagner we'll be getting some of that sweet prehistoric man representation that AEW has been sorely lacking if we're being real here.

Is Luchasaurus a joke to you?

Luchasaurus isn't a man. He's a dinosaur. Obviously.

[Mozenrath]

Apr 22, 2024 15:03:51 GMT -5 daaave said:

I really don't think they will do Ospreay vs Swerve at Wembley and have Ospreay win. Like that is far too short of a run by AEW standards. And it'll end with 60k stadium booing him and cheering on his opponent. That's not best optics for this Swerve run IMO. Especially if only a 4 month run

I'd probably give Ospreay Okada instead, if you want him winning a title at that show.

[Toates Madhackrviper]

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

[Dub H]

Apr 22, 2024 23:20:59 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

Im not black ,much less part of that community but I if the person goes

"uuh,you wouldnt understand!" odds are they are full of bullshit.

If anything I bet its because he refused to reunite with Top Dolla & Crew

[Facetious]

Apr 22, 2024 23:20:59 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

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He made a comment too about not wanting to be on the best black wrestler list because he didn't want to be defined by it.

I'm white af so a lot of this goes over my head, but if the guy who was spouting all the shit was in fact white, he should probably stay in his lane lol

[Final Countdown Jones]

It definitely took too long to get here, but it does bring to midn the question of if WWE didn't make the play for him to specifically keep him away from AEW (with no real interest to do anything with him other than keep him out of AEW) we might have seen this happen a lot sooner. There's other black wrestlers who could have been, and who I don't think don't deserve to be, but in my mind, Swerve is the only one who had to be in this spot, save for Keith Lee who obviously is constrained by health more than booking right now.

[markymark]

Mark Henry on Swerve winning the AEW title: "They didn't pass up on an opportunity to do the right thing. It's earned. It wasn't because he was an African American. It was because he was talented and I feel like that's a beautiful thing"

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Apr 22, 2024 23:20:59 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

Swerve has done some real sucka shit. He is two faced with promoting himself as first black champ but also in the same breath being disrespectful but there really hasn’t been a time or place to discuss all that. It’s come out and just floated by

Him being the first champ to as the proper move to make but he’s def rubbed some the wrong way and as they said beggars can’t be choosers when the selection is slim

[mattyy]

Apr 22, 2024 3:18:50 GMT -5 Glitch said:

Apr 22, 2024 1:54:57 GMT -5 mattyy said:

Father of the Year Christian Cage. He needs something different from Copeland, and I'd say he has earned a main event run against World champ Swerve, and seems like a nice month long program until Hangman comes back and they can have their blowoff in like a dog collar match or something.

I would greatly veto that idea, considering the horrible racial stereotype of blackmen not having father figures. This feels like a big can of Nope.

I feel like you can do something without approaching that stereotype. I mean after all Christian joined forces with Swerve after Swerve brutally assaulted Nick Wayne, and then Christian walked out of the match at All In, leaving Swerve to lose by himself. Christian is an over heel who can eat a loss, and Swerve will look better for defeating him. You don't have to touch any of the "Your Father is...." stuff, when you could go with "YOU HURT MY SON!" with Swerve pointing out all the hypocrisy.

["Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat]

Apr 22, 2024 23:20:59 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

I saw some people on Twitter talking about I think a lyric (could be a quote, I don’t know) where he was talking about a woman being “black and ugly” which people were summising that he prefers white women, which apparently is wrong??

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Here's all I'm gonna say about the "uncle tom" thing. There was a clip circling around of dude dancing to his song with a very specific lyric referring to a black woman as "black and ugly" and that right there did him in for me. Nope nope NOPE.

"We don't do that here." The community remembers, dawg. We'll ride for you harder than most but best believe, folks remember when you show your ass and it WILL be held against you.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Apr 23, 2024 12:48:39 GMT -5 "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat said:

I saw some people on Twitter talking about I think a lyric (could be a quote, I don’t know) where he was talking about a woman being “black and ugly” which people were summising that he prefers white women, which apparently is wrong??

It's more like saying someone is undateable/unattractive because of their race, which is. Yeah messed up.

[kidkamikaze10]

I’m going to hold my tongue on the BW50 debacle, because I think people misconstrued what he said, and he wasn’t the only one that thought the list was bunk. He just went the extra mile about it, which worked against him because the people involved in that list are well connected, black wrestling content creator wise.

The IG story was foul, and him not addressing it made the problem worse. And if you want to be at the top, your PR game needs to be on point. Don’t care if the song was Freddie Gibbs’, the story should have never been posted.


It doesn’t take away from his accomplishments, and there are other people both in AEW and WWE who have made similar mistakes, but the spotlight is on him. If he makes a similar mistake while champ/main eventer, it’ll get nasty real quick for him.

[markymark]

Apr 23, 2024 16:44:23 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

I’m going to hold my tongue on the BW500 debacle, because I think people misconstrued what he said, and he wasn’t the only one that thought the list was bunk. He just went the extra mile about it, which worked against him because the people involved in that list are well connected, black wrestling content creator wise.

The IG story was foul, and him not addressing it made the problem worse. And if you want to be at the top, your PR game needs to be on point. Don’t care if the song was Freddie Gibbs’, the story should have never been posted.


It doesn’t take away from his accomplishments, and there are other people both in AEW and WWE who have made similar mistakes, but the spotlight is on him. If he makes a similar mistake while champ/main eventer, it’ll get nasty real quick for him.

Cant he just say he has grown as a person since that incident? It worked for Sammy Guevara despite his 32423 million screwups

[kidkamikaze10]

Apr 23, 2024 17:27:28 GMT -5 markymark said:

Apr 23, 2024 16:44:23 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

I’m going to hold my tongue on the BW500 debacle, because I think people misconstrued what he said, and he wasn’t the only one that thought the list was bunk. He just went the extra mile about it, which worked against him because the people involved in that list are well connected, black wrestling content creator wise.

The IG story was foul, and him not addressing it made the problem worse. And if you want to be at the top, your PR game needs to be on point. Don’t care if the song was Freddie Gibbs’, the story should have never been posted.


It doesn’t take away from his accomplishments, and there are other people both in AEW and WWE who have made similar mistakes, but the spotlight is on him. If he makes a similar mistake while champ/main eventer, it’ll get nasty real quick for him.

Cant he just say he has grown as a person since that incident? It worked for Sammy Guevara despite his 32423 million screwups

Definitely. It’s only a thing because he didn’t do that. He chose instead to ignore it altogether. Which works but also leaves a consequence like the current rumblings.

[HIM]

Apr 23, 2024 10:56:15 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Apr 22, 2024 23:20:59 GMT -5 Toates Madhackrviper said:

So in a small discord I'm in thats not ABOUT wrestling but has a wrestling channel, a poster (who's profile is a white guy taking a selfie? But I dont want to assume anything lol, I've assumed incorrectly on that server before so I'm on thin ice) said "AEW’s first black world champion being an uncle tom is so hilariously on brand for that company"

When I asked that the hell he was talking about, he said "If you don’t know the context of the whole situation regarding Swerve and why some people in the black wrestling community have issues with him then you probably aren’t going to entirely understand
There are a few pieces of evidence out there regarding his weird behavior"

It seems odd that our fairly significant number of black progressive posters here have not, to my knowledge, brought this up, but he treats it like its a huge deal in black wrestling communities?

Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about re: Swerve?

Swerve has done some real sucka shit. He is two faced with promoting himself as first black champ but also in the same breath being disrespectful but there really hasn’t been a time or place to discuss all that. It’s come out and just floated by

Him being the first champ to as the proper move to make but he’s def rubbed some the wrong way and as they said beggars can’t be choosers when the selection is slim

That's my opinion on it. While him being the first black champion makes sense, like you said he's been two faced regarding it. He said that Kofi's win inspired him and made him feel like he can be that for this generation but then you get into all the other stuff and it's like "f*** man the hell", like it sucks. He can at least say he's changed or something because we really don't forget shit like that.