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Post by dpg on Sept 13, 2021 14:23:37 GMT -5
Omega is great in the ring, bang average out of it. His mic work is stagey and unconvincing, making him sound disingenuous.
AEW do not need Mark Henry or Paul White in any capacity.
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Post by Andee9001 on Sept 13, 2021 14:27:03 GMT -5
Marko Stunt adds nothing to Jurassic Express
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 13, 2021 14:29:05 GMT -5
Seriouslyyyyy. What kind of crystallized all of this for me was Danielson saying “Punk wants to help all these rookies, I want to beat them up”. Punk needs character direction STAT other than “hey, I’m C.M Punk, Welcome to AEW!” Well, he did just get there after a 7 year hiatus in pro wrestling. It's gotta be leading somewhere. Maybe not a full blown heel turn (hard to boo him at this point) but a tweener? Seriouslyyyyy. What kind of crystallized all of this for me was Danielson saying “Punk wants to help all these rookies, I want to beat them up”. Punk needs character direction STAT other than “hey, I’m C.M Punk, Welcome to AEW!” hopefully that’s what this feud with team taz is, direction I’m definitely not saying “HEEL TURN NOW” (though I do think Punk is at his best as a heel or a face under pressure) but he needs to be infused already. I know he just got there (and he had a bigger absence than Danielson) but Danielson feels more implemented into the roster than Punk does. Part of it might be by design cause he’s “an attraction” but I want less “Rock-Recent-Returns” and more “Hollywood Rock” as far as interacting with the roster and what-not. Team Taz is the way they’re going and that’s fine. He wants to work with young talent like Starks & Hobbs, cool. Problem is they’ve been treated like such a goon squad that I hope they come off looking strong against Punk. Not necessarily talking wins but getting under his skin, mockery (I want Starks impersonating Punk), beat downs etc..
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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Sept 13, 2021 14:32:02 GMT -5
The specific brand of discourse AEW generates internet wide is generally depressing to me and makes me consider just watching it and not engaging online as much with the fanbase. :/ Edit: OK this got a lot of likes so it may not be unpopular so feel free to disregard here lol So people aren't allow to not like AEW or criticize it?
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Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Sept 13, 2021 14:33:31 GMT -5
John Moxley is super stale.
The Elite would be fine if they were innovative and creative rather than doing the same repetitive schtick every week.
There is no need to assure people you are pro transgender when criticizing Nyla, you are allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:36:37 GMT -5
Almost every AEW match since the very beginning goes about 5 to 10 minutes too long Fixed it for you.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 13, 2021 14:38:04 GMT -5
I hated Kenny Omega's cleaner entrance with the women with brooms, it just felt wrong to me.
While I support all the open forbidden doors by and large, if closing one or two of them meant getting rid of the Good Brothers, I'd give it serious consideration. They're talented, but kind of remind me of Beavis and Butthead.
Nyla Rose needs a face turn so she can display her sense of humour.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 13, 2021 14:41:02 GMT -5
The specific brand of discourse AEW generates internet wide is generally depressing to me and makes me consider just watching it and not engaging online as much with the fanbase. :/ Edit: OK this got a lot of likes so it may not be unpopular so feel free to disregard here lol So people aren't allow to not like AEW or criticize it? Yep that's exactly what I meant yep 100% not a misrepresentation of my post at all!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 13, 2021 14:41:09 GMT -5
I like how stables are presented more like training camps and friend groups but it also means that there's a really substantial amount of stables that I don't care about at all. The Varsity Blondes could use more features to their act. It’s not to where I think “get off my screen” though, because there’s plenty of potential and I have no qualms rooting for them.
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Post by markymark on Sept 13, 2021 14:42:17 GMT -5
I hated Kenny Omega's cleaner entrance with the women with brooms, it just felt wrong to me. While I support all the open forbidden doors by and large, if closing one or two of them meant getting rid of the Good Brothers, I'd give it serious consideration. They're talented, but kind of remind me of Beavis and Butthead. Nyla Rose needs a face turn so she can display her sense of humour. They are already teasing of dumping the Good Brothers. The Impact partnership was a mistake for AEW more than Impact itself.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 13, 2021 14:43:03 GMT -5
The specific brand of discourse AEW generates internet wide is generally depressing to me and makes me consider just watching it and not engaging online as much with the fanbase. :/ Edit: OK this got a lot of likes so it may not be unpopular so feel free to disregard here lol So people aren't allow to not like AEW or criticize it? The whining about people not being allowed to criticize AEW is 1,000,000% worse and more annoying than any actual criticism of AEW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:43:43 GMT -5
Eddie Edwards might be decent on the mic but no casual fan would be leaving the TV on to see this guy who looks like he manages his local KFC. What's this gotta do with AEW? He meant Kingston, which I agree with. There's some great photoshops on the same page as your post with the mix up.
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Post by thehottag on Sept 13, 2021 15:17:01 GMT -5
I think Cody Rhodes is extremely talented, & AEW is right for trying to promote him as a star.
I am 99.9% of the opinion that size doesn't matter in wrestling, but even I cannot suspend my disbelief for Riho.
Although it was only a short-term way to get cheesy, cheap heat, I loved Omega's 'sweeper' entrance & wish they'd kept it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 15:19:53 GMT -5
Eddie Edwards might be decent on the mic but no casual fan would be leaving the TV on to see this guy who looks like he manages his local KFC. What's this gotta do with AEW? Don’t engage. We’ve been down this road thousands of times now and it always ends up being the same fiery car wreck in the end. Eddie Kingston is money. A whole lot of people agree on that.
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Post by cassonova on Sept 13, 2021 15:26:09 GMT -5
Darby Allin totally eludes me. He tends to be pushed as an underdog, despite a very positive win/loss record. He takes PPV level beatings and comes back every single time, regardless of the match on the card yet wins.
I'm not even going to touch the Hot Topic chic and how he managed to be unaddressed during Speaking Out
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 13, 2021 15:27:36 GMT -5
No one in the IWC was breaking down numbers like "key demos" until AEW showed up, and a huge reason they're doing it is because Meltzers primary sources are in AEW and they're hyping themselves up. The numbers people used to talk about in the wrestling community were raw viewership and ratings. You'd only see demo numbers in company press releases. But in the last two years, we're all about the "key demos." It's goalpost moving. It's interpreting the data in the way we care about most to act like our "team" is killing it. I'm not an advertiser, I don't care about the demographics of the show. I don't see how it's goalpost moving to factually acknowledge what ratings are actually important and what aren't; we can't stick to some weird layman's fantasy about ratings if we're going to discuss them in a remotely rational manner, because people who are informed will be having arguments with people who aren't and think that NXT is absolutely killing it if they pop a 1.2 in the 85+ demographic. It wasn't relevant in the past because WCW and WWF were so, so monumentally popular with the key demographic that there was no real point in disentangling it from the full figure.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 13, 2021 15:31:17 GMT -5
No one in the IWC was breaking down numbers like "key demos" until AEW showed up, and a huge reason they're doing it is because Meltzers primary sources are in AEW and they're hyping themselves up. The numbers people used to talk about in the wrestling community were raw viewership and ratings. You'd only see demo numbers in company press releases. But in the last two years, we're all about the "key demos." It's goalpost moving. It's interpreting the data in the way we care about most to act like our "team" is killing it. I'm not an advertiser, I don't care about the demographics of the show. I can say as an Observer subscriber that Dave has focused on demo numbers for a long time and they have mattered in the industry for decades. And he gives credit across the board. There have been countless times on Observer Radio where Bryan mentions WWE was down overall and Dave will chime in saying they were up in the demo and #1 for the night in 18-49. Even if it doesn't mater to you (which is totally fine), he applies it equally. To say that people focus on those numbers because Dave knows people in AEW when he has sources everywhere is a narrative that I really hope goes away. Dave praises WWE's numbers when they do well and calls AEW's numbers disappointing when they struggle. And even if people used to talk more about overall numbers, that doesn't mean the goalposts have moved to play favorites. It could for some. But others might have learned more about TV and decided to focus on that number instead. I think we should try to assume good faith more often when it comes to these arguments. And above all else, no one says you need to care about the ratings! We can compare shows based on their quality and not on the numbers they produce. Lord knows most of don't think RAW has been the best wrestling show in the world for the past decade despite what the ratings say. They're useful for business analysis but people can ignore them as they see fit.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 13, 2021 15:33:18 GMT -5
No one in the IWC was breaking down numbers like "key demos" until AEW showed up, and a huge reason they're doing it is because Meltzers primary sources are in AEW and they're hyping themselves up. The numbers people used to talk about in the wrestling community were raw viewership and ratings. You'd only see demo numbers in company press releases. But in the last two years, we're all about the "key demos." It's goalpost moving. It's interpreting the data in the way we care about most to act like our "team" is killing it. I'm not an advertiser, I don't care about the demographics of the show. But Key Demo DOES matter. Like it's not a goalpost to move it's something that actively keeps shows alive. There are some shows on cable that have like a RAW viewership of 300-400K but their demo is so good that they stay on air. Because advertisers pay to be advertised on those blocks. I can understand if it's annoying to dismiss raw viewership over it. But key demo has always mattered. Maybe it didn't matter in wrestling until competition actually happened true... but it's always been a main showing point in how good or bad shows are doing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 13, 2021 15:35:24 GMT -5
The specific brand of discourse AEW generates internet wide is generally depressing to me and makes me consider just watching it and not engaging online as much with the fanbase. :/ Edit: OK this got a lot of likes so it may not be unpopular so feel free to disregard here lol So people aren't allow to not like AEW or criticize it? You know this has been a surprisingly nice and civil thread for seven pages. It'd be nice if you didn't post shit like this to try and derail it when that's not what they meant and you absolutely know it.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2021 15:36:00 GMT -5
No one in the IWC was breaking down numbers like "key demos" until AEW showed up, and a huge reason they're doing it is because Meltzers primary sources are in AEW and they're hyping themselves up. The numbers people used to talk about in the wrestling community were raw viewership and ratings. You'd only see demo numbers in company press releases. But in the last two years, we're all about the "key demos." It's goalpost moving. It's interpreting the data in the way we care about most to act like our "team" is killing it. I'm not an advertiser, I don't care about the demographics of the show. I can say as an Observer subscriber that Dave has focused on demo numbers for a long time and they have mattered in the industry for decades. And he gives credit across the board. There have been countless times on Observer Radio where Bryan mentions WWE was down overall and Dave will chime in saying they were up in the demo and #1 for the night in 18-49. Even if it doesn't mater to you (which is totally fine), he applies it equally. To say that people focus on those numbers because Dave knows people in AEW when he has sources everywhere is a narrative that I really hope goes away. Dave praises WWE's numbers when they do well and calls AEW's numbers disappointing when they struggle. And even if people used to talk more about overall numbers, that doesn't mean the goalposts have moved to play favorites. It could for some. But others might have learned more about TV and decided to focus on that number instead. I think we should try to assume good faith more often when it comes to these arguments. And above all else, no one says you need to care about the ratings! We can compare shows based on their quality and not on the numbers they produce. Lord knows most of don't think RAW has been the best wrestling show in the world for the past decade despite what the ratings say. They're useful for business analysis but people can ignore them as they see fit. Some of my favourites shows as a teenager got canceled because it got the wrong demo,even if viewership was good. The only reason didnt speak about it when it came to WWE is because well..it didnt matter that much, they had nothing to compare to or worry about.
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