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Post by bob on Jan 13, 2022 15:56:34 GMT -5
nobody could do anything with that dumpster fire in Houston
going 4-13 with that bunch is a great job
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 13, 2022 22:13:51 GMT -5
nobody could do anything with that dumpster fire in Houston going 4-13 with that bunch is a great job Word is they could be dipping in the Belichick tree again and looking to go after Jerrod Mayo
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 14, 2022 11:33:48 GMT -5
The Giants are the worst. Just when you think you have an amusing punching bag for another year, they decide to try to avoid being a complete laughingstock. They need to pull a Costanza and do the opposite of what their instincts tell them when they hire they next GM/coach.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 14, 2022 11:39:51 GMT -5
Culley had a monkey's paw wish to be a HC: at 65 got an NFL head coaching job, but his star QB is out being a serial masseuse groper and doesn't play at all, and the rest of the team has zero talent. Somehow wins 4 games and then gets canned anyway in a year. He should have just wished for a turkey sandwich like Homer Simpson.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 14, 2022 12:00:35 GMT -5
nobody could do anything with that dumpster fire in Houston going 4-13 with that bunch is a great job Even some of the losses were competitive, which is impressive considering the roster was gutted BEFORE Covid did a mid-season run on the team. If I’m a team needing a coach I at least interview him.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 15, 2022 0:37:21 GMT -5
Culley had a monkey's paw wish to be a HC: at 65 got an NFL head coaching job, but his star QB is out being a serial masseuse groper and doesn't play at all, and the rest of the team has zero talent. Somehow wins 4 games and then gets canned anyway in a year. He should have just wished for a turkey sandwich like Homer Simpson. I don't know. The man got paid $22 million to coach one year. Seems like it worked out well for him.
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 15, 2022 10:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 15, 2022 11:47:37 GMT -5
Houston might have to settle with a project coach as they try to rebuild from the ashes. It’s going to take 3-5 years and hopefully a haul for Watson before the team can climb out of the bottom. Flores to Chicago makes sense
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 15, 2022 11:51:47 GMT -5
Houston might have to settle with a project coach as they try to rebuild from the ashes. It’s going to take 3-5 years and hopefully a haul for Watson before the team can climb out of the bottom. Flores to Chicago makes sense and that's only if Watson avoids jail, but even if they can trade him the cap hit for moving him is so big it cripples them
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Post by jjohns828 on Jan 15, 2022 13:58:06 GMT -5
Houston might have to settle with a project coach as they try to rebuild from the ashes. It’s going to take 3-5 years and hopefully a haul for Watson before the team can climb out of the bottom. Flores to Chicago makes sense I do agree that Flores to Chicago makes some sense but I do want to share one note of caution. While I still don't think the Dolphins should have fired him and that some of the stories about his relationships with staff and front office have been leaked to justify the decision I do think there is some legitimate concern there. When you look at his staff over his time in Miami he blew through a lot of assistants especially on the offensive side of the ball. In three years we had three QB coaches, four OL coaches, and 4 offensive coordinators (really one for each year since this year he had co-offensive coordinators).
So I think there are real questions about how he maintains his relationships with his staff especially on the offensive side and his ability to recruit quality offensive coordinators and position coaches. Last offseason instead of bringing in a quality offensive coordinator he promoted two positions coaches that honest didn't seem like good choices from the jump to be co-offensive coordinators. Like I said, I still wouldn't have fired him after this season but I do think this is a concern with him and something he'll need to work on if he's going to reach his full potential as a coach.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 15, 2022 16:55:50 GMT -5
Culley had a monkey's paw wish to be a HC: at 65 got an NFL head coaching job, but his star QB is out being a serial masseuse groper and doesn't play at all, and the rest of the team has zero talent. Somehow wins 4 games and then gets canned anyway in a year. He should have just wished for a turkey sandwich like Homer Simpson. I don't know. The man got paid $22 million to coach one year. Seems like it worked out well for him. Huh... maybe the Texans had the monkey's paw wish instead.
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Post by Sicho100 on Jan 15, 2022 17:40:57 GMT -5
Houston might have to settle with a project coach as they try to rebuild from the ashes. It’s going to take 3-5 years and hopefully a haul for Watson before the team can climb out of the bottom. Flores to Chicago makes sense I do agree that Flores to Chicago makes some sense but I do want to share one note of caution. While I still don't think the Dolphins should have fired him and that some of the stories about his relationships with staff and front office have been leaked to justify the decision I do think there is some legitimate concern there. When you look at his staff over his time in Miami he blew through a lot of assistants especially on the offensive side of the ball. In three years we had three QB coaches, four OL coaches, and 4 offensive coordinators (really one for each year since this year he had co-offensive coordinators).
So I think there are real questions about how he maintains his relationships with his staff especially on the offensive side and his ability to recruit quality offensive coordinators and position coaches. Last offseason instead of bringing in a quality offensive coordinator he promoted two positions coaches that honest didn't seem like good choices from the jump to be co-offensive coordinators. Like I said, I still wouldn't have fired him after this season but I do think this is a concern with him and something he'll need to work on if he's going to reach his full potential as a coach.
As a Bears fan, I am petrified that they might hire Flores. Just about everything about the idea screams likely disaster. 1) I'm opposed to retreads. Generally speaking, there is a reason someone was fired as an HC, and they probably won't magically be different a second time around (this is especially true for coaches that immediately land into another job. Theoretically, you could say someone that has had years in between HC jobs - say, Leslie Frazier - learned more in the time since their last job and so will be better if given another chance, but immediately landing in another HC job doesn't allow for that extra learning time). There are obviously exceptions that have been HCs before - Belichick and Reid say hello - but I think it's far more likely that someone that has already failed as an HC before likely will again. 2) He's a defensive head coach, and the best way for consistent success in the modern NFL is a good offense. The reason Matt Nagy was fired as Bears HC was not because he failed to be a "leader of men." He was fired because the offense sucked. And if you hire a defensive head coach, they absolutely positively MUST get their OC and OLine coaches right. As you mentioned, Flores had more offensive coordinators and offensive line coaches than he had years as a head coach. The Dolphins easily had the worst OLine in the league this year - despite dedicating significantly more resources toward it than the Bears. Sure, maybe the GM just happened to pick all of the wrong players, but it seems quite likely to me that the coaching staff also failed to develop the players they had. Maybe the fact that the line has no semblance of stability when it comes to their coaching has something to do with their poor play. Flores is, at best, flailing on his most important hires. 3) Even assuming that the stories coming out after he was fired are from the Dolphins trying to justify his firing - which is almost certainly the case - it's hard not to believe that there is some smoke there. And, considering we are talking about a Belichick disciple - a group of coaches known for throwing their dick around and pissing everyone off while going 5-11 - it's hard to see why you should just hope that none of that is true. And when you add in the fact that he has cycled through assistant coaches at such a remarkable rate, there is real reason to worry about his ability just in managing relationships as a head coach. 4) Brian Flores wasn't actually all that successful in Miami. He gets love for getting five wins in 2019. David Culley - someone who got the Texans job solely because nobody else wanted it - got four wins this year. A five win season is not an accomplishment, even with a bad team (the worst team in the league got three wins this year. One of those wins came against the Dolphins.) And their amazing win streak that saved their season this year came against almost literally the worst teams in the league - the Texans, the Ravens with no players, the Jets twice, the Panthers, the Giants, and the Saints starting Ian Book at QB. Again, this win streak is not an accomplishment. (The Bears had a similar win streak at the end of the 2020 season to save Matt Nagy's job. It wasn't proof that Nagy was a good coach. It was proof that they faced shitty teams.) In his three years as Dolphins head coach, Brian Flores was 24-25. In his three years as Dolphins head coach, Flores's immediate predecessor, noted punchline Adam Gase, was 23-25. 5) Even Flores's specialty would almost certainly make the Bears worse. If you go by DVOA, the 2020 Dolphins defense that got so many takeaways (which are not reliable predictors of defensive performance, and are more based on luck than skill) and carried the Dolphins nearly to the playoffs was actually ranked worse than the Bears that year (the Bears were 8th in defensive DVOA, the Dolphins 11th). This year, those rankings essentially flipped (the Dolphins were 10th, the Bears 13th), but - and here is what really scares me about a potential Flores-to-the-Bears scenario (well, one of the things. The offensive coaching staff would probably be worry #1) - the Bears have a grand total of one starting caliber cornerback. And it is hard to make the argument that that corner (Jaylon Johnson) is even better than the Dolphins' second CB. Meanwhile, Flores live in man defense. Which depends on your corners being able to match up with the WRs. The Bears defense would be a f***ing disaster with Flores. If the Bears hire Flores, I fully expect him to be fired in two years, and for the Bears to not pick up Justin Fields' fifth year option, because he doesn't play well, because he will have been failed by a coach that spent the last two years failing another highly touted QB prospect, who was actually viewed as such a franchise-saving prospect that he was the guy that the Dolphins specifically tanked to get. I know that looking at Tua today makes you say, "Eh..." but there was a reason he was the #5 pick (over Justin Herbert), there was a reason teams were intentionally trying to lose games to get him. Maybe the guy that has been Tua's head coach has played some role in Tua no longer being viewed as a top QB prospect. And if Flores gets another chance with another top QB prospect, I see no reason why the result wouldn't be the same.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 15, 2022 17:41:47 GMT -5
Houston is just the NFL's biggest troll job, right?
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 15, 2022 17:46:57 GMT -5
Houston is just the NFL's biggest troll job, right? I mean just over three years ago they were leading the chiefs but ended up losing and it was a spectacular nose dive which makes McDaniels broncos tenure look normal.
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 15, 2022 17:57:55 GMT -5
Houston is just the NFL's biggest troll job, right?
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 15, 2022 18:06:10 GMT -5
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 15, 2022 18:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by jjohns828 on Jan 15, 2022 18:57:35 GMT -5
I hope this is true and that in addition it takes the Dolphins out of the Watson sweepstakes, then at least something good would come from the coaching shakeup. With Watson's issues off the field I want nothing to do with him.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 15, 2022 19:05:54 GMT -5
1) I'm opposed to retreads. Generally speaking, there is a reason someone was fired as an HC, and they probably won't magically be different a second time around (this is especially true for coaches that immediately land into another job. Theoretically, you could say someone that has had years in between HC jobs - say, Leslie Frazier - learned more in the time since their last job and so will be better if given another chance, but immediately landing in another HC job doesn't allow for that extra learning time). There are obviously exceptions that have been HCs before - Belichick and Reid say hello - but I think it's far more likely that someone that has already failed as an HC before likely will again. I feel like retread coaches are guys who have gotten multiple chances and never won anything. Like Eric Mangini. Just being fired or let go in the NFL just means that you've been around long enough. There's been tons of both Super Bowl winning coaches who have gotten fired previously or (essentially) gotten fired after winning. It's not just Reid and Belichick. Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Tom Coughlin, John Fox, Pete Carroll, Mike Shanahan, Brian Billick. And I'm sure Mike Tomlin will get there in Pittsburgh. Obviously, being fired isn't a good thing, but it doesn't preclude you from being successful.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -5
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