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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Sept 16, 2021 13:34:38 GMT -5
Don't forget transvaginal mesh lawsuit commercials. How could we?! Final Countdown Jones evidently did, so here's a refresher for everyone
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 16, 2021 13:54:01 GMT -5
This could be interesting. I'm always interested in seeing more of WWE's practices get actual legal challenges, as sometimes they do seem to get away with things just because no one challenges legally. Be interesting to see who gets involved and if it's anyone still remotely active, how that impacts their use anywhere else, as I dont think it's just WWE who wouldn't really want to have to offer actual employment benefits to everyone To my knowledge WWE is the only company to impose such strict rules on their contractors. Other companies that allow more freedom would more easily fit the independent contractor label.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 13:54:59 GMT -5
That whole "Independent contractor" shit sounds borderline illegal.
If they're independent contractors then what's stopping them from wrestling in other companies and having Twitch accounts etc? The answer is, by law, nothing.
This needed to be addressed years ago so I'm glad it finally is.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 16, 2021 13:56:53 GMT -5
That whole "Independent contractor" shit sounds borderline illegal. If they're independent contractors then what's stopping them from wrestling in other companies and having Twitch accounts etc? The answer is, by law, nothing. This needed to be addressed years ago so I'm glad it finally is. What’s stopping them is their contracts. Until they’re declared employees, their contracts are valid as is.
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Post by lucas_lee on Sept 16, 2021 14:40:36 GMT -5
That whole "Independent contractor" shit sounds borderline illegal. If they're independent contractors then what's stopping them from wrestling in other companies and having Twitch accounts etc? The answer is, by law, nothing. This needed to be addressed years ago so I'm glad it finally is. The IC clause as a whole sounds borderline illegal my girlfriends boss hired my gf as an IC and the clauses and terms in the contracts are very binded and limits growth.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 16, 2021 14:45:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I would be far more excited about anything happening if it was anyone but Andrew Yang spearheading this.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 16, 2021 15:11:31 GMT -5
I don't see the independent contractor thing changing imminently but I wouldn't be surprised if the no-compete clauses get dropped in the next year or two.
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Post by cjh on Sept 16, 2021 15:44:06 GMT -5
I don't see the independent contractor thing changing imminently but I wouldn't be surprised if the no-compete clauses get dropped in the next year or two. The 30-day (NXT) and 90-day (main roster) no-competes are fine. They're pretty much no different than being injured. You're not being used on TV, but you're under contract and getting paid. A no-compete that lasts years where the company also doesn't pay you isn't enforceable. Brock Lesnar signed such a deal and won when he contested it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 16, 2021 15:50:43 GMT -5
This could be interesting. I'm always interested in seeing more of WWE's practices get actual legal challenges, as sometimes they do seem to get away with things just because no one challenges legally. Be interesting to see who gets involved and if it's anyone still remotely active, how that impacts their use anywhere else, as I dont think it's just WWE who wouldn't really want to have to offer actual employment benefits to everyone To my knowledge WWE is the only company to impose such strict rules on their contractors. Other companies that allow more freedom would more easily fit the independent contractor label. in wrestling maybe. but Wrestling is far from the only industry that stretches the terms of independent contractors. If this goes anywhere I fully expect a lot of other industries to throw money towards WWE's defense.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 16, 2021 16:11:48 GMT -5
I hope this gets better traction than Yang's disastrous NYC mayor primary campaign.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 16, 2021 16:12:51 GMT -5
Onto the next grift I see Right, lmao. Dude stay trying hustle some clout, it’s actually pretty embarrassing
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 16, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5
For me, the issue would be the ownership of any creative property that just _happened_ to have been by a WWE talent. "Work for hire" does not automatically go to the contractee if the contractor does a side gig or owns a side hustle. Were I, say, Big Money Salvia, they'd be clawing my NeonGrizzly.com website and designs from my cold, dead hands.
I'll see myself out now. Nobbleberry forever!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 16, 2021 16:18:41 GMT -5
For me, the issue would be the ownership of any creative property that just _happened_ to have been by a WWE talent. "Work for hire" does not automatically go to the contractee if the contractor does a side gig or owns a side hustle. Were I, say, Big Money Salvia, they'd be clawing my NeonGrizzly.com website and designs from my cold, dead hands. I'll see myself out now. Nobbleberry forever! and if they go after that... Will likely step in, as allegedly their animators have the same thing written into their contracts where anything you draw is owned by the Disney Corporation.
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Post by Flo360 on Sept 16, 2021 16:20:22 GMT -5
NLRB as of just last month is under new Democratic leadership which can be helpful to those trying to be classified as employees in order to unionize. This lawyer has represented a fighter who wanted to organize a union and filed a complaint against the UFC with the NLRB alleging anti-union retaliation. However, the NLRB at that time (a few years ago) decided the UFC did not take adverse action against her and so they punted on deciding whether or not UFC talent count as employees or independent contractors. With different leadership in place, it may be possible for some of these fights to go the other way but it would be a long process. There’s also the question of whether talent even wants to be classified as employees and/or unionize. There are pros and cons on both sides. Americans dedication to being servants never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 16, 2021 17:13:29 GMT -5
The chances of any meaningful punishment of Vince or anything industry-shaking are slim to none and Slim got booked to job to Karrion Kross next week. And I will leave it at that. It makes me feel like a jaded old cynic, but, yeah. Hope I'm wrong but major doubts. Yang's kinda struck me as someone that says a lot but doesn't do much of it.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 16, 2021 17:54:47 GMT -5
NLRB as of just last month is under new Democratic leadership which can be helpful to those trying to be classified as employees in order to unionize. This lawyer has represented a fighter who wanted to organize a union and filed a complaint against the UFC with the NLRB alleging anti-union retaliation. However, the NLRB at that time (a few years ago) decided the UFC did not take adverse action against her and so they punted on deciding whether or not UFC talent count as employees or independent contractors. With different leadership in place, it may be possible for some of these fights to go the other way but it would be a long process. There’s also the question of whether talent even wants to be classified as employees and/or unionize. There are pros and cons on both sides. Americans dedication to being servants never ceases to amaze me. Hopefully this doesn't break any rules... Americans are trained from birth to support things that don't help them. Americans go to bat for large companies that actively screw them over. Also big business runs thus country so nothing's going to happen.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2021 18:21:22 GMT -5
WWE would actually be worried if Yang actually won something over the last year and a half
He went from possible candidate to dead last in NY mayoral race. Fam, you don't have any clout right now
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 16, 2021 18:37:43 GMT -5
NLRB as of just last month is under new Democratic leadership which can be helpful to those trying to be classified as employees in order to unionize. This lawyer has represented a fighter who wanted to organize a union and filed a complaint against the UFC with the NLRB alleging anti-union retaliation. However, the NLRB at that time (a few years ago) decided the UFC did not take adverse action against her and so they punted on deciding whether or not UFC talent count as employees or independent contractors. With different leadership in place, it may be possible for some of these fights to go the other way but it would be a long process. There’s also the question of whether talent even wants to be classified as employees and/or unionize. There are pros and cons on both sides. Americans dedication to being servants never ceases to amaze me. Huh? There are financial reasons that some talent would rather be classified as independent contractors, with less restrictions than WWE has on them right now of course. As far as unionizing, there are undoubtedly pros and cons and whether it would be a benefit is usually very specific to an industry/workforce. I’ve worked with a lot of employers where bargaining unit employees decide to leave/disband the union.
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Post by mistery on Sept 16, 2021 21:07:28 GMT -5
Yeah. A bit of a brushup on Yang for those out of the loop:
- He got completely dumpstered in the Democratic Primary.
- He got buried even harder in the NYC Primary and had some INCREDIBLY bad stances, one of the most infamous ones being that if he was to win (thank god he didn't), he would criminalize homelessness. So basically if you lost your home, you would be sent to jail.
- The DNC pretty much pulled any sort of funding they had given him after that stance from above, and he responded after losing by announcing...he's starting his own political party.
- Ironically he has a book coming out next month, so he's trying to drum up attention so people might actually buy his book (please don't).
As for the lawyer he tagged, its also worth noting that for anyone who follows the behind the scenes stuff in MMA, the guy is completely incompetent at best. He made literally zero headway in trying to get the UFC to cave and treat their fighters as employees, and in fact broke attorney-client privilege by confirming a leaked list of fighters who actually approached him as correct. Via his own press conference at that. He's basically the Lionel Hutz of the employment world. And for all of the trash Vince hires around him, Jerry McDevitt is probably one of the best lawyers in the business world.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 17, 2021 0:27:41 GMT -5
Americans dedication to being servants never ceases to amaze me. Huh? There are financial reasons that some talent would rather be classified as independent contractors, with less restrictions than WWE has on them right now of course. As far as unionizing, there are undoubtedly pros and cons and whether it would be a benefit is usually very specific to an industry/workforce. I’ve worked with a lot of employers where bargaining unit employees decide to leave/disband the union. One such thing being if WWE had to give its wrestlers health insurance, they easily can be like "not our f***ing problem anymore if you get hurt, you figure it out yourself" instead of just paying for surgeries and whatnot themselves like they always do.
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