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Post by thechase on Sept 24, 2021 9:35:20 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 24, 2021 9:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 24, 2021 9:39:55 GMT -5
That's cool, a lot of my favorite episodes come from Davies' era.
I haven't watched since early Capaldi, I just kind of fell off the show because Smith was my Doctor. I feel like no one talks about Doctor Who like they did back then, what happened?
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Post by msc on Sept 24, 2021 9:43:51 GMT -5
Like going from Dan Brown to Dickens in one move. Awesome news.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 24, 2021 9:44:52 GMT -5
That's cool, a lot of my favorite episodes come from Davies' era. I haven't watched since early Capaldi, I just kind of fell off the show because Smith was my Doctor. I feel like no one talks about Doctor Who like they did back then, what happened? I think it has run too long. Even freshening things up with a new cast, showrunner, or direction can still end up feeling been there done that. I would give it a few years off.
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Post by thechase on Sept 24, 2021 9:46:05 GMT -5
Several factors, not all of them pleasant, but really Chibnall was just that utterly banal as a writer, he had great (and underrated) ideas but he could never elevate them or the characters he created with quality scripting. Some of the companions came and went and there wasn't a real ounce of real development from point A to point Z with them. And I'll just say it, Jodie just...wasn't good. Capaldi and Smith were fed some dire stuff in their day but they rose above it and commanded the screen. With Jodie...she didn't take charge and was often reacting more than taking action on anything.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 24, 2021 9:48:24 GMT -5
This is probably the best thing they could do.
I mostly enjoyed the early Moffat/Matt Smith-era Doctor Who, but it still felt like a definite step down from what RTD and David Tennant did. The show kinda fell off a cliff when Capaldi joined up. Not because of Capaldi of course, he was great, but it just felt like Moffat was out of ideas and was throwing whatever he could out there to see what stuck. I do feel the show has improved some under Chibnall and Whittaker, but it's still hit or miss.
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Post by Legion on Sept 24, 2021 10:12:56 GMT -5
Oh good.
He got that Doctor Who can have heart, but at it's heart it's camp fun.
The camp fun has been missing for too long.
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Post by thechase on Sept 24, 2021 10:14:14 GMT -5
At a glance, I think RTD may be doing Sally Wainwright a favour and filling in 'till her schedule is clear
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 24, 2021 10:19:44 GMT -5
That's awesome. While Matt Smith's run was my favorite of the show, Davies is the one to bring Doctor Who to popularity in the first place.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 24, 2021 10:42:13 GMT -5
Huh.
Hmm...I'll need to process this a bit.
We've never had this kind of exact situation before in the show, with a former producer. Closest would be Barry Letts for Season 18, but there it was in an oversight position for John Nathan-Turner. This would be very much the full deal, creative role and quite likely writing again as well. That's never happened, so I don't know how I feel definitively.
There are some wonderful RTD stories, his steps in reintroducing the show were exemplary, and I'm definitely more hopeful of the show's quality than I've become with Chibnall. At the same time, they do say you should never go back and it's not the freshest move.
Still, it's an upgrade, for sure.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 24, 2021 12:34:50 GMT -5
That's some serious monkey-paw business that we get RTD back but he's never going to write for 13 a-proper aside, I'm guessing, the 60th.
On a semi-related note, I'm one more insipid Chibnall offering away from launching my local branch of 'Justice for Jodie.' I'm at the point of parody with how much I bring it up but, holy hell, what a criminally under-serviced Doctor. Ideal world, she stays for one RTD season and gets something of a redemption run a la Capaldi.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 24, 2021 13:17:26 GMT -5
Hopefully his output on his return is slightly better than it was oat the time of his departure.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 24, 2021 14:16:02 GMT -5
Hopefully his output on his return is slightly better than it was oat the time of his departure. As long as he avoids his Rose obsession then I'll be happy.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 24, 2021 14:30:45 GMT -5
Hopefully his output on his return is slightly better than it was oat the time of his departure. As long as he avoids his Rose obsession then I'll be happy. I think I'll be happy if we get no more lecherous Captain Jack.
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Post by thechase on Sept 24, 2021 14:40:32 GMT -5
As long as he avoids his Rose obsession then I'll be happy. I think I'll be happy if we get no more lecherous Captain Jack. Barrowman's claimed the BBC (and Big Finish) have now blacklisted him, though he was a guest on an episode of QI this week that aired on BBC TWO
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Sept 24, 2021 15:01:18 GMT -5
Our savior returns!!!!!!
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 24, 2021 15:17:15 GMT -5
A couple general thoughts.
First, this pretty closes the door on Eccleston returning to the series any time soon. He already still had issues with the BBC and his issues with RTD are just as contentious. Basically its Big Finish stuff and cons for the next few years in terms of his Who involvement.
Secondly, while I don't think it suggests the BBC is desperate as I've seen put forth elsewhere, I do think it's a sign they want DW to be event television again. The waning years of the Moffat era and pretty much everything of Chibnall's (outside Jodie's casting) have not really brought much attention to the show, and Davies' recent work has gotten the acclaim that the network would gladly have for Who again.
Moreover, as safe as RTD is for running the show, he was someone that was willing to go in different directions when the show revival started and he's certain been bold in certain respects for his post-Who work. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of his conditions for returning was that he had carte blanche to take the franchise into bolder territory, and that he be trusted enough to not have the BBC meddle too much with it. (Well, that and the chance to do his own anniversary special was also probably a big lure for him too).
It will be interesting to see what the response will be to Davies' topics for episodes. For all the accusations of being too political now, DW was often times far more overt during the first four series; it's just that novelty of having the show back and RTD simply being a stronger writer than Chibnall meant there weren't as many complaints about it. But as anyone who watched even a little bit of Years and Years, the former is not often subtle about the points he makes, and it's unlikely that would change now (even if it will be better executed since he can do nuanced human drama fairly well).
Additionally, I suspect that his return might lead to two things. Him either guiding the ship for a bit until they can get the new showrunner BBC have their eyes and/or him mentoring that potential successor until they take over directly a few years from now.
Finally, this is just my own wild speculation, but I suspect with MCU with its various shows doing so well, that the BBC might just have their eye on doing something similar with RTD at the helm. He was the one showrunner to pull off DW related spin-offs with any strong success, and given that Stolen Earth/Journey's End was essentially the Avengers of the Whoniverse, I don't think it's out of the question they might try something similar again, especially given that Davies has been fairly enthusiastic about Big Finish and that its his production company now co-producing the main show.
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Post by Ganon83 on Sept 24, 2021 15:22:18 GMT -5
I just hope with no Tennant on set that it doesn’t devolve once again into a frat party like it did in season one
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 25, 2021 4:24:34 GMT -5
Finally, this is just my own wild speculation, but I suspect with MCU with its various shows doing so well, that the BBC might just have their eye on doing something similar with RTD at the helm. He was the one showrunner to pull off DW related spin-offs with any strong success, and given that Stolen Earth/Journey's End was essentially the Avengers of the Whoniverse, I don't think it's out of the question they might try something similar again, especially given that Davies has been fairly enthusiastic about Big Finish and that its his production company now co-producing the main show. It is only occurring to me overnight that this does increase, even in a small way, the chances of some of his former ideas happening in regards to the Classic characters making cameos or returns. Ace, for one, he intended to bring back in the Sarah Jane Adventures, before Lis passed away. They've given her a modern day framework already, between the Season 26 trailer, the novel and two or three Big Finish audios. There are genuine live action possibilities if the goodwill and capability are there. Hell, Moffat's even given him a convenient out for any older looking Doctors with the Curator from Day of the Doctor. The older Seventh Doctor in that Season 24 Mel trailer? It's the Doctor revisiting an old favourite again. Not even a problem with McGann, you could do stuff with him and Liv and Helen right now.
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