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Post by spagett on Oct 9, 2021 9:10:37 GMT -5
Someone on this page alone put the I feel bad for you, I don't think about you at all meme. And then they explained below it that WWE definitely has taken notice privately. I'm not sure how putting NXT on TV on the same day at the same time in an attempt to kill off AEW early counts as "privately" taking notice but ok.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Oct 9, 2021 9:11:10 GMT -5
Eh I’m not a fan of it
Wait till you beat them in the ratings/demo/insert metric here and then put them in a place with a tweet if you really have to (Personally I’d just ignore them, best revenge is living well and all but if you want to, wait till you win first)
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:12:35 GMT -5
And then they explained below it that WWE definitely has taken notice privately. I'm not sure how putting NXT on TV on the same day at the same time in an attempt to kill off AEW early counts as "privately" taking notice but ok. Because they didn't say it was the reason. Hence, private. It makes sense if you ignore any of the other context.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:14:06 GMT -5
Apparently so. Ridiculous isn't it. The idea btw, that WWE don't think or care about AEW is absolutely laughable. I can't believe there are people who genuinely think that. Not sure anyone here thinks that. Yeah competition in any industry will make a company stand up and take notice. AEW has made unprecedented waves in 2 years but WWE as a company is largely unaffected. Their numbers were already floundering as it is yet they continue to drive Brink trucks right to the bank. In WWE's mind, it seems to appear to them that they are in two totally different genres which is why they choose not to address them publically. At the end of the day, I am not truly necessarily sure what wrestling fans are trying to accomplish with this "war". WCW and WWF was a personal vendetta at times. This current "war" is reaching political levels of drawing lines and the ones that will truly suffer are the wrestlers and the fans. Do we really want WWE out of business? Hundreds if not 1000s of people unemployed? Where would they go? No one else but Khan can also pay them what they are used to. On the other hand do we really want to go back to the dreadful weekly days of WWE phoning it in and us having no mainstream option? Not at all.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 9, 2021 9:19:45 GMT -5
The comparison was made to someone fanning the flames of toxic discourse/tribalism through online tweets, not a comparison of the seriousness of the issues or a comparison of the people as a whole. It's a stupid comparison is what I'm saying. It's like turning Pepsi/Coke or Nintendo/Sega (which this is) into, like, the Cold War (Which it isn't) I mean it was a throwaway line I made just comparing what the tweets do in the wrestling world. I didn’t think it would cause waves. I’d delete it but it’s been quoted already.
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Post by clifford on Oct 9, 2021 9:20:42 GMT -5
Not sure anyone here thinks that. Someone on this page alone put the I feel bad for you, I don't think about you at all meme. And did you read what I put under it? That privately, AEW have absolutely caused WWE to rethink and notice things, but publicly, its all one way traffic. Which it is. You talk about WWE putting NXT on Wednesdays to compete with AEW. That wasn't acknowledging that AEW are competition. That was WWE showing its hubris by thinking they could beat an upstart wrestling company into submission from the get go with their developmental brand. It was them being idiots but it wasn't the kind of thing Tony, Taz and Eddie Kingston to name a few have done over the past two years.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 9, 2021 9:21:06 GMT -5
The tweet is dumb from either company right now, because nobody should be talking shit about ratings when they're gonna be ass blasted by the MLB playoffs. Jesus? Are you saying that Tony Khan stabbed John Cena, and Cena has to kick his ass at Armageddon? No, I'm saying Jesus is entering the AEW title tournament and going to call out Cena after he wins because he didn't finish the job. Tony Schiavone: "I've been part of some great wrestling moments. I've seen the formation of the nWo, the debut of The Yeti, every single time MJF got punched, but nothing is gonna make me happier than seeing John Cena beat the hell out of Jesus at Double or Nothing."
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:21:20 GMT -5
Do we really want WWE out of business? Hundreds if not 1000s of people unemployed? Where would they go? No one else but Khan can also pay them what they are used to. On the other hand do we really want to go back to the dreadful weekly days of WWE phoning it in and us having no mainstream option? Not at all. Tony Khan tweeting he wants to beat Smackdown one week is not the same comparison as two companies obsessing over beating the other in detriment to the rest of the industry. Like, come on now. Why is this always the end game with these discussions? Because two boneheaded idiots in charge thought that was the way it should have been in the 90s?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:21:50 GMT -5
One of the driving issues of this toxicity is how both sides are spinning their narratives. Take for instance the article in Variety regarding AEW being competition to WWE for the 1st time in 20 years. They aren't incorrect but the writer of the article is being destroyed on twitter for seemingly being paid by AEW and being a guest at an AEW event while writing it. These same tactics are what WWE employs. This entire situation is smoke and mirrors on both ends.
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:23:40 GMT -5
One of the driving issues of this toxicity is how both sides are spinning their narratives. Take for instance the article in Variety regarding AEW being competition to WWE for the 1st time in 20 years. They aren't incorrect but the writer of the article is being destroyed on twitter for seemingly being paid by AEW and being a guest at an AEW event while writing it. These same tactics are what WWE employs. This entire situation is smoke and mirrors on both ends. But that's the fans, right? Like, if the fans are expecting conflict, I'd argue that's because of how the two major companies expected it to be put forward as in a completely different time. Like, if we're thinking a Khan tweet or a reaction to a Variety article is in the same ballpark...it's not. It really, really isn't.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 9, 2021 9:25:58 GMT -5
One of the driving issues of this toxicity is how both sides are spinning their narratives. Take for instance the article in Variety regarding AEW being competition to WWE for the 1st time in 20 years. They aren't incorrect but the writer of the article is being destroyed on twitter for seemingly being paid by AEW and being a guest at an AEW event while writing it. These same tactics are what WWE employs. This entire situation is smoke and mirrors on both ends. But that's the fans, right? Like, if the fans are expecting conflict, I'd argue that's because of how the two major companies expected it to be put forward as in a completely different time. Like, if we're thinking a Khan tweet or a reaction to a Variety article is in the same ballpark...it's not. It really, really isn't. I think it’s pretty apparent what tweets like this do to drive and fuel this fan behavior/tribalism. I mean whether that’s a bad thing or not is up for debate I suppose but it certainly doesn’t read like a good thing looking at the replies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:27:28 GMT -5
One of the driving issues of this toxicity is how both sides are spinning their narratives. Take for instance the article in Variety regarding AEW being competition to WWE for the 1st time in 20 years. They aren't incorrect but the writer of the article is being destroyed on twitter for seemingly being paid by AEW and being a guest at an AEW event while writing it. These same tactics are what WWE employs. This entire situation is smoke and mirrors on both ends. But that's the fans, right? Like, if the fans are expecting conflict, I'd argue that's because of how the two major companies expected it to be put forward as in a completely different time. Like, if we're thinking a Khan tweet or a reaction to a Variety article is in the same ballpark...it's not. It really, really isn't. I am not really sure what you getting at? Yes the fans are to blame for most of the hostility but things like this only fuel the issue. This one tweet isn't going to cause the collapse of the wrestling industry but it does nothing but darken the line in the sand that we have tip toed around on both sides. Obviously these are all just personal opinions
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:28:53 GMT -5
But that's the fans, right? Like, if the fans are expecting conflict, I'd argue that's because of how the two major companies expected it to be put forward as in a completely different time. Like, if we're thinking a Khan tweet or a reaction to a Variety article is in the same ballpark...it's not. It really, really isn't. I am not really sure what you getting at? Yes the fans are to blame for most of the hostility but things like this only fuel the issue. This one tweet isn't going to cause the collapse of the wrestling industry but it does nothing but darken the line in the sand that we have tip toed around on both sides. Obviously these are all just personal opinions I'm getting at the reaction to the tweet is overblown and some of the discussion even about it doesn't help the idea the reaction is overblown. It'd be like getting annoyed at Pepsi Max bragging it won a taste test against Coke Zero. Does that breed toxicity?
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 9, 2021 9:29:42 GMT -5
As an example of how this fuels the discourse beyond what it normally would be, Khan’s tweet was made 11 hours ago and has over 1.3K replies, which is already hundreds more than any tweet he’s made in the last month.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:38:04 GMT -5
I am not really sure what you getting at? Yes the fans are to blame for most of the hostility but things like this only fuel the issue. This one tweet isn't going to cause the collapse of the wrestling industry but it does nothing but darken the line in the sand that we have tip toed around on both sides. Obviously these are all just personal opinions I'm getting at the reaction to the tweet is overblown and some of the discussion even about it doesn't help the idea the reaction is overblown. It'd be like getting annoyed at Pepsi Max bragging it won a taste test against Coke Zero. Does that breed toxicity? No but that isn't an industry built on testosterone and paranoia either. Fans are conditioned to act this way after years and years so things like this only serve to double down on it.
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Post by clifford on Oct 9, 2021 9:38:55 GMT -5
Just look at the replies to this thread alone. It was a tweet to drive up the tribalism between the two companies, which isn't needed and is in my opinion just f***ing exhausting.
It's endemic of most things in the world today. It's not enough to enjoy something. The thing you enjoy HAS to be the 'right' thing, and the thing you don't HAS to be the 'wrong' thing. It's not enough to like something. The thing you like HAS to be better and more successful than the thing you don't.
I love AEW. I've stopped watching WWE. They are irrelevant to me. What they do doesn't affect my enjoyment of AEW. I don't need this false dichotomy of 'us vs. them'.
Who gives a shit about ratings and demos? Eric Bischoff in 1998? Just enjoy what you enjoy and don't worry about the things you don't. There's no need for this constant sniping and oneupmanship.
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Post by spagett on Oct 9, 2021 9:40:05 GMT -5
Someone on this page alone put the I feel bad for you, I don't think about you at all meme. And did you read what I put under it? That privately, AEW have absolutely caused WWE to rethink and notice things, but publicly, its all one way traffic. Which it is. You talk about WWE putting NXT on Wednesdays to compete with AEW. That wasn't acknowledging that AEW are competition. That was WWE showing its hubris by thinking they could beat an upstart wrestling company into submission from the get go with their developmental brand. It was them being idiots but it wasn't the kind of thing Tony, Taz and Eddie Kingston to name a few have done over the past two years. no, it was much much worse than anything Taz or Eddie have said. I really don't understand why some people get so worked up about things like this. It used to be a staple of wrestling, to have digs at the competition. I can only assume the 20 years of WWE being the only game in town has made people forget that.
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:48:34 GMT -5
And did you read what I put under it? That privately, AEW have absolutely caused WWE to rethink and notice things, but publicly, its all one way traffic. Which it is. You talk about WWE putting NXT on Wednesdays to compete with AEW. That wasn't acknowledging that AEW are competition. That was WWE showing its hubris by thinking they could beat an upstart wrestling company into submission from the get go with their developmental brand. It was them being idiots but it wasn't the kind of thing Tony, Taz and Eddie Kingston to name a few have done over the past two years. no, it was much much worse than anything Taz or Eddie have said. I really don't understand why some people get so worked up about things like this. It used to be a staple of wrestling, to have digs at the competition. I can only assume the 20 years of WWE being the only game in town has made people forget that. Or people not paying attention to any other company and their competitors ever. Like, Dreamworks' first major animated film was practically a 90 minute Disney dig.
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Post by clifford on Oct 9, 2021 9:49:22 GMT -5
And did you read what I put under it? That privately, AEW have absolutely caused WWE to rethink and notice things, but publicly, its all one way traffic. Which it is. You talk about WWE putting NXT on Wednesdays to compete with AEW. That wasn't acknowledging that AEW are competition. That was WWE showing its hubris by thinking they could beat an upstart wrestling company into submission from the get go with their developmental brand. It was them being idiots but it wasn't the kind of thing Tony, Taz and Eddie Kingston to name a few have done over the past two years. no, it was much much worse than anything Taz or Eddie have said. I really don't understand why some people get so worked up about things like this. It used to be a staple of wrestling, to have digs at the competition. I can only assume the 20 years of WWE being the only game in town has made people forget that. You and I both know there are PLENTY of things that 'used to be a staple of wrestling' that should stay dead and buried. For me, this is one of them.
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2021 9:49:41 GMT -5
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