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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 14:06:09 GMT -5
I was wondering what people thought about Jungle Boy in relation to the other 3 pillars of AEW. First of all, Jungle Boy is fantastic and is clearly someone who they see highly and I do not doubt that he's destined for great things. That being said, he is clearly not as protected as the other 3 pillars. He needs to get away from the Elite and get to feuding with midcarders like Team Tazz to help rebuild him. Am I wrong in thinking his biggest win is a battle royal and his biggest singles win is against Dax Harwood? His accolades are far below the other 3 and I'm getting kinda sick of seeing him pinned by the Elite (pretty sure he's 0-6 against the Elite dating back to his title match against Kenny). I'm not going to say he's ruined, or anything close to that, but I am definitely sick of seeing him staring at the lights.
Right now, Starks feels more like that 4th pillar (in terms of kayfabe standing at least) than Jungle Boy. I'd love a feud between the two where Starks argues he's the 4th pillar and Jungle Boy gets to win a feud and prove himself. Considering this company prides itself on wins/losses, Jungle Boy is really struggling to maintain the credibility he should as a rising star and I think a midcard feud where he comes out on top is a necessity for him at this point.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 12, 2021 14:08:45 GMT -5
Jungle Boy has started to get pretty protected in recent losses fwiw. I think the big narrative in AEW is the same as it is in New Japan. You're gonna see someone lose on the way to the top and when they finally win its gonna get a pop. They did this with Darby and Cody, and they had JB do the same with MJF... and likely now with Cole.
It's a different way than we are used to seeing in North America for a long time but is common over in Japan
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Oct 12, 2021 14:13:51 GMT -5
JTTS? He's not Jonathan Taylor Thomas's Son; he's Luke Perry's!
(This is the level of humor I'm at today).
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Post by clifford on Oct 12, 2021 14:14:52 GMT -5
First of all, AEW can actually make someone look good in defeat. The guy is over no matter how many pins he eats.
Also, he was the first wrestler to hit 50 wins in AEW. So he's beating literally everyone else.
He's still very young, both in general and in his career. This is his first real run at the top of the card. He can 'take the hit' so to speak of coming up short against the company's best while not looking bad/losing all his momentum. Once this programme with the Elite is over he'll be back winning every match he's in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 14:15:48 GMT -5
Yeah it does feel like he keeps losing every big match he's in. It would have been cool to see Jurassic Express win the tag gold.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 12, 2021 14:23:01 GMT -5
Jungle Boy's getting a very NJPW-esque push. He's not going to get wins over the main eventers, but he'll beat practically everyone else. That said, he's still over, the losses don't hurt his popularity. He's also still very young in terms of his physical age and his career and while he's great in the ring, there's still elements he needs to work on like his personality and promos.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 14:29:29 GMT -5
First of all, AEW can actually make someone look good in defeat. The guy is over no matter how many pins he eats. Also, he was the first wrestler to hit 50 wins in AEW. So he's beating literally everyone else. He's still very young, both in general and in his career. This is his first real run at the top of the card. He can 'take the hit' so to speak of coming up short against the company's best while not looking bad/losing all his momentum. Once this programme with the Elite is over he'll be back winning every match he's in. You could also argue that the reason JB was the first wrestler to hit 50 wins was due to the amount he was wrestling, not his win percentage though. Obviously he's well-liked to be wrestling that much, but in kayfabe he truly doesn't have the best win/loss record (59% according to www.profightdb.com/winlossrecord/jungle-boy-14600.html). Arguably him being the first to 50 wins is more quantity than quality. This also includes all his wins on Dark/Elevation, where he wins far more often, meaning his actual win-rate on Dynamite is probably near/below 50%, and his PPV winrate is 20%. I'd also be cautious about the idea that he will remain over no matter how many pins he eats. I'd look at Goto as a good example of a choke artist who became less over because he never got to actually win the big one. that's precisely what I'm saying though is that he needs to get away from the real main eventers in order to win matches again, he's not ready to be a main event talent in kayfabe which is fine, but I'd like for them to start giving the poor kid some wins again so I'd like to see him back in the midcard.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 12, 2021 14:36:13 GMT -5
I recognize they do at least try and keep him strong, but they could give him more wins on actual TV at this point. If he's on TNT he's losing.
Also stop giving him big matches if he's never going to win any of them. He's literally failed to win every title in the past six months.
Though if I'm being honest I care way more about Jurassic Express as a team than I care about him as a solo guy anyway. I do want them to pick their lane with him and stick with it and I'd prefer they pick the tag division.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Oct 12, 2021 14:38:43 GMT -5
JTTS? He's not Jonathan Taylor Thomas's Son; he's Luke Perry's! (This is the level of humor I'm at today). 😂😂😂
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 12, 2021 15:53:32 GMT -5
He does need a break from The Elite.
Every time he goes up against any of their members, I can already tell what the result's going to be, whether it's in singles or a tag match.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 12, 2021 15:56:30 GMT -5
Marko stunt is a jobber to the stars, Penelope Ford is a jobber to the stars. Dr Luther, Serpentico, Brandon Cutler and others are jobbers to the stars, and that's fine. Jungle Boy is someone who the company and audience see a bright future for, someone who's being protected in defeat as part of a slow rise to the top. His promo skills are adequate, but not all they could be right now, and he's in a spot where he can work on that and learn from being around a great mic worker in Christian Cage.
He reminds me of Bret Hart in the early 90s, where he had star power, his mic skills were okay but most of his charisma was shown in the ring, Bret got there, Jungle Boy will too then the the sky's the limit.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Oct 12, 2021 15:57:28 GMT -5
I hope when they start pushing him, he turns on JE and destroys Marko. He then starts wearing suits and puts his hair in a pony tail. That’ll lead to world champ Jungle Man
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 12, 2021 16:03:40 GMT -5
He does seem to lose the big one more than the other three pillars, but I don't think he's as near to the finished article as the other three are, either. His matches are great, but he doesn't have the personality or promo ability of the other three and needs a little more time to work on that, IMO. I know he isn't comfortable with promos, but they're such an important part of selling big angles.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 12, 2021 16:23:42 GMT -5
He reminds me of Bret Hart in the early 90s, where he had star power, his mic skills were okay but most of his charisma was shown in the ring, Bret got there, Jungle Boy will too then the the sky's the limit. I was actually thinking about Bret in the late 80’s, where he’d usually lose his singles matches against bigger stars on SNME but the Hart Foundation was still a top team. This was part of the growing process of his character, which others have mentioned above.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 12, 2021 16:26:13 GMT -5
The thing with Jungle Boy is he started a lot lower on the totem poll and lost a ton to start. So he'll take a longer time to build up to where the other three are. Plus he still has some growth he needs to make on his mic skills. But he's likely a year away from getting that big push which is totally fine and the AEW audience has enough trust in the company to be patient with them given how they handled Darby and Sammy.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 12, 2021 16:26:59 GMT -5
He does seem to lose the big one more than the other three pillars, but I don't think he's as near to the finished article as the other three are, either. His matches are great, but he doesn't have the personality or promo ability of the other three and needs a little more time to work on that, IMO. I know he isn't comfortable with promos, but they're such an important part of selling big angles. Yeah, that’s where my mind went to. In that respect, I think he’s being protected and handled right. I wouldn’t be against distancing him from the Elite though.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 12, 2021 17:00:54 GMT -5
Even with the losses I think he has plenty of time to basically get his big push. At 24 he should be losing now imo. Because when he does start winning more and more he's gonna be the first AEW wrestler to 100 wins like he was the first one to 50.
Commentary loves calling him the young grizzled veteran of AEW just for his sheer match volume. Dude's had to learn a lot in a short time and has been tasked with the best on the roster when he isn't truly at his peak yet. He's gonna get there imo even if it's a bit less quickly than the other young pillars.
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Post by Muskrat on Oct 12, 2021 17:15:05 GMT -5
Dude got pinned by Adam Cole twice in a week, JB is clearly being built up to score a big win over Cole. I’m not the least bit concerned about him
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Oct 12, 2021 17:19:55 GMT -5
He’s 24 years old. He’s a young lions basically. I think people here are correct in saying his booking is similar to how New Japan books their young guys.
In 2019, he couldn’t win at all except a draw with Chris Jericho. 2020 he’s slowly rising up the card, winning some and losing some, same as the tag team. Now in 2021, he’s at the point where he wins most of the time, except to bigger stars. He’s now on the threshold of being a star himself, he just needs that one huge win over a huge star and he’s a made man. There is also no rush to push him mega hard, let his career naturally progress. He’s doing just fine in my opinion.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 12, 2021 17:42:05 GMT -5
Dude got pinned by Adam Cole twice in a week, JB is clearly being built up to score a big win over Cole. I’m not the least bit concerned about him Just like getting pinned by MJF three times built up to, um, Luchasaurus pinning Wardlow.
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