ASYLUMHAUSEN
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 13, 2021 16:09:57 GMT -5
“Slow Down? SLOW DOWN?! I could power a small country right now and I’m responsible for 17% of Columbia’s GDP! How the f*** can ANYONE expect me to slow the f*** down?? He wants slow? FINE! Hangman won’t go over Kenny until All Out…2025! How’s THAT for slow?!” - The Forbidden Door (probably)
“Gawd…DAMNIT!” - Cody *facepalming so hard it creates a singularity over Jacksonville* (Probably)
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 13, 2021 16:14:33 GMT -5
"I couldn't help but notice that your demographics show that you've done a good job attracting men, but you haven't done as good a job attracting women. The only possible conclusion is that you should put a bunch of stuff on TV that would alienate everyone who isn't a complete f***boy."
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markymark
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Post by markymark on Oct 13, 2021 16:16:56 GMT -5
Tito is the same person who was begging for Tessa to be hired, and now he says that Hangman isnt the guy to lead the company.
OP might as well posted an article from Disco Inferno or Jerry from NY or the other Tito aka the one who was Pro TNA before he turned on them once Hogan and Bischoff joined.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 16:42:34 GMT -5
AEW NEEDS BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS!!!
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Oct 13, 2021 16:46:48 GMT -5
Weirdly, his main argument is a sound question. WWE lost half their audience since 2014, which itself was about half of what was watching in the late 90s. Does AEW have a plan to draw these fans back or create a new casual base, or are they content to draw around what WWE currently can and call it a success?
And then every single idea he has is totally wrong garbage. It’s impressive in a way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:01:41 GMT -5
Weirdly, his main argument is a sound question. WWE lost half their audience since 2014, which itself was about half of what was watching in the late 90s. Does AEW have a plan to draw these fans back or create a new casual base, or are they content to draw around what WWE currently can and call it a success? And then every single idea he has is totally wrong garbage. It’s impressive in a way. Thats the thing I was kinda getting at the last page. AEW is a product for die hard wrestling fans. They have a strong fanbase, but to a casual fan or a lapsed fan it might be cool to see Sting, Mox, or Punk but there's nothing for them to stick around. It's a show thats very hard to get into unless you know wrestling history of six different companies, enjoy indie style matches, and enjoy in ring talent over storylines or characters. So I get what he's saying, its a niche product of wrestling, which lets be honest wrestling is niche product. It should be it's own thing and not be WWE Lite but there's things they can borrow from WWE that would make the shows a lot more assessable to casual viewers.
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The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 13, 2021 17:05:29 GMT -5
Weirdly, his main argument is a sound question. WWE lost half their audience since 2014, which itself was about half of what was watching in the late 90s. Does AEW have a plan to draw these fans back or create a new casual base, or are they content to draw around what WWE currently can and call it a success? And then every single idea he has is totally wrong garbage. It’s impressive in a way. There's definitely a solid number of people watching because WWE turned them away. But a lot of people that got bored of wrestling aren't going to come back either.
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msc
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Post by msc on Oct 13, 2021 17:09:56 GMT -5
I mean, take as note the dodgy views on women everyone else has noted.
But I'd just like to take a moment to point out this classic bit:
How can I believe that Miro is a legitimately tough wrestler when he’s streaming video games?
Of all the people to pick, Miro. The legit real world athlete monster sized man who has been portrayed as a killer since he debuted. How can we take this legit real life killer seriously? He plays video games when he isn't killing folk!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:10:43 GMT -5
Weirdly, his main argument is a sound question. WWE lost half their audience since 2014, which itself was about half of what was watching in the late 90s. Does AEW have a plan to draw these fans back or create a new casual base, or are they content to draw around what WWE currently can and call it a success? And then every single idea he has is totally wrong garbage. It’s impressive in a way. Agreed. Should AEW try to draw a more casual audience, or focus on its own base is a valid question. The problem as seen here is when it turns to “too draw casuals you need to adopt the exact wrestling I like.” It’s the same with more old school fans complaining about Omega and the Bucks for being to “indie” as this guy wanted the return of the attitude era. It’s a valid question that masks what really is “I don’t like AEW’s style.” Which is fine in of itself, just don’t mask it as the way to “save” AEW.
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mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 13, 2021 17:10:56 GMT -5
Are they forgetting how overexposed the entire McMahon family was? For f***ing YEARS? Give him dues, Tony has rarely (if ever) been on TV (and after that “nine daaaays” promo, thank God. Clearly Vince he ain’t when it comes to performing on camera). Tony isn’t “overexposed” at all.
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Bo Rida
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Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 13, 2021 17:18:43 GMT -5
It's a simple list of priorities: 1. Keep existing regular viewers. One way is not actively driving them away by listening to the author of this article.
2. Provide lapsed fans, occasional viewers, those loyal to other promotions and the curious a reason to tune in. Maybe Bryan in a big match in Dynamite.
3. While group 2 are around give them a positive experience with what they wanted to see and other things on the show they can latch onto long-term so they become regular viewers.
Infinitely repeat those steps. Do it well you get positive momentumn and those fans will recruit new ones.
They've mostly got the balance right. Patient long-term booking but with enough exciting things happening to attract new fans and ensure people don't get bored waiting.
The dumb thing is most of the things he asks for are already there to some degree. They can be patient to a fault. Everything else is window dressing but the violence and skimpy outfits are there, just presented in way that doesn't alienate too many people rather than just appealing to 13 year old boys.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 13, 2021 17:28:24 GMT -5
I mean, take as note the dodgy views on women everyone else has noted. But I'd just like to take a moment to point out this classic bit: How can I believe that Miro is a legitimately tough wrestler when he’s streaming video games? Of all the people to pick, Miro. The legit real world athlete monster sized man who has been portrayed as a killer since he debuted. How can we take this legit real life killer seriously? He plays video games when he isn't killing folk! You need only look to the number of UFC fighters who stream. Sure there's a lot of middling fighters in there, but there's also a lot of champions and GOAT contenders. Stipe has streamed. Mighty Mouse has streamed. It's an attitude that sounds ten or fifteen years out of date and firmly in the "only dorks and losers play video games" vein, which. Again. You're a columnist for NoDQ, dude.
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The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 13, 2021 17:33:02 GMT -5
I mean, take as note the dodgy views on women everyone else has noted. But I'd just like to take a moment to point out this classic bit: How can I believe that Miro is a legitimately tough wrestler when he’s streaming video games? Of all the people to pick, Miro. The legit real world athlete monster sized man who has been portrayed as a killer since he debuted. How can we take this legit real life killer seriously? He plays video games when he isn't killing folk! You need only look to the number of UFC fighters who stream. Sure there's a lot of middling fighters in there, but there's also a lot of champions and GOAT contenders. Stipe has streamed. Mighty Mouse has streamed. It's an attitude that sounds ten or fifteen years out of date and firmly in the "only dorks and losers play video games" vein, which. Again. You're a columnist for NoDQ, dude. I mean, say what you will about Ronda Rousey, but she was once the toughest woman in the World and she used to moderate a Pokémon forum.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 13, 2021 17:34:54 GMT -5
You need only look to the number of UFC fighters who stream. Sure there's a lot of middling fighters in there, but there's also a lot of champions and GOAT contenders. Stipe has streamed. Mighty Mouse has streamed. It's an attitude that sounds ten or fifteen years out of date and firmly in the "only dorks and losers play video games" vein, which. Again. You're a columnist for NoDQ, dude. I mean, say what you will about Ronda Rousey, but she was once the toughest woman in the World and she used to moderate a Pokémon forum. This is true but I'm pretty sure if you tell this dude that women can play video games, be tough fighters, and not be sexualized all at the same time, steam will blow out of his ears and he'll shut down for three months in a shock-induced coma before yelling obscenities and asking why the staffg at the hospital he's in aren't wearing bikinis.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Oct 13, 2021 17:40:25 GMT -5
Who the hell wrote this, MarkyD?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 18:09:47 GMT -5
Even as a regular viewer of Dynamite and Rampage. I feel like I’m an viewing an incompetent product.
“Why are underselling Deeb’s heel turn?”
“No. She’s actually been acting heelish on Dark for months now”
“Why should I care about Jungle Boy getting to 50 wins weren’t most of those vs. jobbers on Dark?”
“Actually a good chunk of those were vs. name wrestlers in dark main events”
“Why should I care about the Dark Order?”
“Watch BTE!”
Etc. Etc. ETC.
I dont feel I should have to watch two comically long YouTube shows full of squash matches (I know they have recently shorten them but they used to be just as long as Raw if you took out the ads) and a really bad sketch show to get what’s going on the main shows.
I really think they should make that sure that Dynamite is accessible to the casual viewer with out having to watch the extended universe stuff or a show on Friday tv dead zone. Seriously why hasn’t Punk wrestled on Dynamite yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 18:12:54 GMT -5
Weirdly, his main argument is a sound question. WWE lost half their audience since 2014, which itself was about half of what was watching in the late 90s. Does AEW have a plan to draw these fans back or create a new casual base, or are they content to draw around what WWE currently can and call it a success? And then every single idea he has is totally wrong garbage. It’s impressive in a way. I think that was my initial motivation in posting it because I knew this place could atleast handle what is being said without a total meltdown...Some facts and opinions have legs but he totally throws them off a cliff with concrete shoes on with some of his off the wall crap
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Post by eJm on Oct 13, 2021 18:16:27 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, if I never have to hear the words “casual viewer” again, it’ll be way too soon.
Because every time I hear it, I never get the sense that people know who this casual viewer, whether they actually exist or what has to be done to actually get them on board.
And honestly, considering what they’ve been doing so far…it doesn’t seem like they need to change very much right now? Because stuff seems to be working.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 18:19:25 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, if I never have to hear the words “casual viewer” again, it’ll be way too soon. Because every time I hear it, I never get the sense that people know who this casual viewer, whether they actually exist or what has to be done to actually get them on board. And honestly, considering what they’ve been doing so far…it doesn’t seem like they need to change very much right now? Because stuff seems to be working. The casual viewer is the lapsed viewer or the one flipping through channels...I have had multiple people reach out to me on FB after posting about AEW these last two years asking if they should watch, the differences between wwe and aew, etc...Those to me are the casual fans. The fans that tuned in to Punk's debut and fell out after nothing grabbed their attention. My personal opinion is that they need to cut some time off their matches and dedicate them to vignettes. Show the cable flipping audience (yes they do still exist especially in rural areas like mine where internet data caps exist and prices are expensive) a reason to stick around and who these people are...Both in the past and now.
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The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 13, 2021 18:22:20 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, if I never have to hear the words “casual viewer” again, it’ll be way too soon. Because every time I hear it, I never get the sense that people know who this casual viewer, whether they actually exist or what has to be done to actually get them on board. And honestly, considering what they’ve been doing so far…it doesn’t seem like they need to change very much right now? Because stuff seems to be working. Wrestling is such a weird circus these days that I don't think "casual viewers", "hardcore viewers" or the dreaded "IWC viewer" really exists anymore. They've all kind of just melded into one. It does come off pretty "how do you do fellow children" when people try to dictate who a casual viewer is and what they would like.
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