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Post by Cyno on Oct 13, 2021 22:50:57 GMT -5
I just watch Dynamite and Rampage and usually BTE. I rarely watch Dark and Elevation unless I have a reason to. I don't really feel lost with the product at all. But then I keep up with news and go out of my way to research workers I'm not familiar with.
I'm also an NJPW fan so I came in with a bit of an advantage with the guest workers like Kojima and Suzuki.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 13, 2021 22:55:34 GMT -5
I'd definitely consider myself a casual AEW fan. I watch Dynamite more often than not but if a card's particularly weak or I'm not in the mood or have something else going on I have no qualms about skipping it, I don't watch every PPV, I haven't watched Rampage since the Punk debut (and even the first episode I DVRed it after the fact), I don't watch the Youtube shows, I don't watch the vlogs.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 13, 2021 23:46:45 GMT -5
I've said before and I'll say it again Khan actually knows what he's doing wrestling. Its both American and English football that he comes off as a bit of a prick.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 14, 2021 6:13:22 GMT -5
I stopped reading at 'you know I like Vince.'
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 14, 2021 9:15:12 GMT -5
AEW is on the other extreme of WWE in that regard. Like, WWE assumes its audience is clueless and will go overboard in explaining who people are, with all the repeat vignettes and same recaps week after week. AEW, on the other hand, assumes its audience will know who all these people are already without need for an introduction. And while you can do that with the bigger WWE names like Miro, CM Punk, Adam Cole, or Bryan Danielson and the core fanbase does know who Minoru Suzuki or Satoshi Kojima are, anyone who wasn't already big into ROH or NJPW is going to have zero clue. Now, personally, I'd prefer a promotion assuming I'm smart vs. insulting my intelligence, but there's a happy medium they could reach instead. I like to imagine how AEW would handle it if, once travel and whatnot is open again, the opportunity arises to do some kind of supercard with NJPW, and we finally get Okada vs. Omega V. Like, no, the 'mainstream' audience won't really know Okada, despite him having been mentioned by AEW commentary sometimes as a top rival of Omega's in Japan. That implies that if you wanted to introduce him to the audience, you'd have vignettes or whatever hyping him up. But would that do the trick, or would it work better to have a Dynamite in a "smarky" city/venue like New York or what have you, get Kenny in the ring, then find an excuse for the lights to go out, some music to build up, and then cue the coin drop and a super dramatic entrance? The place would go absolutely ballistic, and the image you'd get across to your 'mainstream'/'casual' audience is "holy SHIT, the final boss of wrestling just walked in, and I don't even really know who he is." It's sort of how they handled Suzuki: "Kaze Ni Nare" played, the crowd reacted, and the commentators sold it like the Grim Reaper had arrived for Moxley's soul. Basically, I think, and this is just my view, that you can hook "casuals" or whatever you want to call them best by giving them a show where the crowd is going crazy and obviously having a great time. That used to be the WWE’s plan for calling up NXT talent. They’d bring them up while they were in a smark town so they’d get an insane pop and then see if that helped the non-NXT viewers get hooked. See Enzo and Cass’s debut. On the opposite side of the spectrum, I think they called up Gargano and Ciampa in a non-smark town and they came out to a mediocre reaction.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 14, 2021 13:19:03 GMT -5
The "article" kinda turns into the writer's fantasy booking more than anything else. Something he misses about Tony Khan is that he is not a regular on air character unlike Vince & Bischoff.
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Post by bob on Oct 14, 2021 18:16:52 GMT -5
so we found the pseudonym Cornette is writing under
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 15, 2021 2:30:37 GMT -5
This dude probably gave a Smackdown spoiler report in 2012 and made sure to note how much he thought every match sucked and that he totally flipped off Dolph Ziggler. and bitched at all the "marks" cheering for the faces... like stupid marks...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 15, 2021 2:34:54 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, if I never have to hear the words “casual viewer” again, it’ll be way too soon. Because every time I hear it, I never get the sense that people know who this casual viewer, whether they actually exist or what has to be done to actually get them on board. And honestly, considering what they’ve been doing so far…it doesn’t seem like they need to change very much right now? Because stuff seems to be working. and if someone stopped watching in like 2014... they have other shit that has filled their time since then... it's the same thing when people talk about needing to attract the MAIN STREAM audience... how this isn't going to fly with the MAIN STREAM ... ignoring that... like... the main stream isn't a thing anymore? there are SO many avenues for entertainment available at ANY point in the day that it's nearly impossible for any one thing to end up being THE Zeitgeist of the times. even something like the MCU which is probably the closest "main stream" thing at the moment has millions of people that haven't seen one... people on Youtube have millions of subscribers and hundreds of thousands of views a day... and if you asked someone on the street about them you'd likely get blank stares.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 15, 2021 7:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 16:02:23 GMT -5
I’ll be honest, if I never have to hear the words “casual viewer” again, it’ll be way too soon. Because every time I hear it, I never get the sense that people know who this casual viewer, whether they actually exist or what has to be done to actually get them on board. And honestly, considering what they’ve been doing so far…it doesn’t seem like they need to change very much right now? Because stuff seems to be working. and if someone stopped watching in like 2014... they have other shit that has filled their time since then... it's the same thing when people talk about needing to attract the MAIN STREAM audience... how this isn't going to fly with the MAIN STREAM ... ignoring that... like... the main stream isn't a thing anymore? there are SO many avenues for entertainment available at ANY point in the day that it's nearly impossible for any one thing to end up being THE Zeitgeist of the times. even something like the MCU which is probably the closest "main stream" thing at the moment has millions of people that haven't seen one... people on Youtube have millions of subscribers and hundreds of thousands of views a day... and if you asked someone on the street about them you'd likely get blank stares. Nailed it...I havent seen a single Avengers movie or Justice League outside of the first Iron Man movies and Batman vs. Superman...I also do not know 99% of youtube guys besides maybe AVGN. My daughter was recently watching a video (shes 7) from a "Mr. Beast" and it was so silly that I started looking into the guy and this dude has 10 million viewers per episode on most. Just wild. I get your point. I fall victim of using the "casual" viewer trope when it comes to wrestling myself...The real truth is that AEW caters to a specific demographic and it's hard for some of us, even ones that grew up with the Monday Night Wars, to handle it. I personally want them to hold the viewers hand just a little bit more with things like recaps, vignettes/packages etc instead of just assuming everyone knows everything. To me that is what bothers me the most about AEW and why I consider it not only the home of the greatest wrestling in the world but also the biggest INDY company based on the way they book and present their product.
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Post by Glitch on Oct 17, 2021 19:30:46 GMT -5
Since we're on the page of debunking the "casual fan" and "mainstream audience" myths, I will die on the hill of believing that success is based almost entirely on hype and excitement created by fans enjoying the product. People next to the fans see this and wonder what the big deal is. It's a chain reaction that grows when a new person enjoys the product and onward. This is why I thinks it's horse shit when someone says "they are only catering to their fans!"
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 18, 2021 18:22:43 GMT -5
Since we're on the page of debunking the "casual fan" and "mainstream audience" myths, I will die on the hill of believing that success is based almost entirely on hype and excitement created by fans enjoying the product. People next to the fans see this and wonder what the big deal is. It's a chain reaction that grows when a new person enjoys the product and onward. This is why I thinks it's horse shit when someone says "they are only catering to their fans!" I can agree that there are limits to things like that, hence when "fan service" isn't the best tactic for a show to take, but yeah, with pro wrestling you're talking about a medium with a live audience giving real-time reactions to the show's happenings, and that's inherently infectious.
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Post by . on Oct 19, 2021 0:11:18 GMT -5
If pulling 20K at the Arthur Ashe Stadium Indy I have no idea what Pro is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 10:19:24 GMT -5
We can debate the meaning of “casual viewer” “lapsed fan” “general audience” all we want but there’s enough people in this thread, on Reddit, on Twitter, that have said AEW is hard to get into or have had girlfriends, friends, etc say the characters are bland, or they have to know the history of six companies. These people do exist they would probably watch if AEW made their program more accessible. Saying they don’t exist then focusing on ratings threads is counterintuitive. Just comes off as “it’s the children that are wrong.” AEW is a great company and maybe they should just doing what their doing, but there are plenty of small changes if they want to take things to next level. Thanks for watching….
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Post by eJm on Oct 19, 2021 10:22:50 GMT -5
We can debate the meaning of “casual viewer” “lapsed fan” “general audience” all we want but there’s enough people in this thread, on Reddit, on Twitter, that have said AEW is hard to get into or have had girlfriends, friends, etc say the characters are bland, or they have to know the history of six companies. These people do exist they would probably watch if AEW made their program more accessible. Saying they don’t exist then focusing on ratings threads is counterintuitive. Just comes off as “it’s the children that are wrong.” AEW is a great company and maybe they should just doing what their doing, but there are plenty of small changes if they want to take things to next level. Thanks for watching…. Nobody's saying those sorts of people don't exist, at least I haven't said that, but to lump them into a "casual viewer" bracket is disingenuous in the same way that doing what you're saying we are is being counterintuitive, considering the wider scope of media being produced that can have deeper plots than any of pro wrestling. Like, if we're saying "they should explain stuff a bit more", sure, hey, I agree. But some of this discussion has, in my mind, made it a bigger deal than it was.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 19, 2021 12:24:22 GMT -5
We can debate the meaning of “casual viewer” “lapsed fan” “general audience” all we want but there’s enough people in this thread, on Reddit, on Twitter, that have said AEW is hard to get into or have had girlfriends, friends, etc say the characters are bland, or they have to know the history of six companies. These people do exist they would probably watch if AEW made their program more accessible. Saying they don’t exist then focusing on ratings threads is counterintuitive. Just comes off as “it’s the children that are wrong.” AEW is a great company and maybe they should just doing what their doing, but there are plenty of small changes if they want to take things to next level. Thanks for watching…. AEW does have a history of not explaining who people are (Butcher and Blade, Luther, ect) so that is a fair criticism. Heck is it fair to say AEW may rely on social media to push debuts, angles, ect? Based on some of the packages they have put together sure.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Oct 20, 2021 7:19:57 GMT -5
AEW has been #1 on cable on Wednesdays and Fridays. They have beaten football, baseball, basketball, hockey, golf, WWE, Guys grocery Games, the Challenge, Housewives of Atlanta, etc. They have drawn 20,000 people to an arena. They have toys in Walmart and Target. Youtube videos surpass 1 million views.
I dont want to mock anyone here, but to say something like "AEW doesnt attract casuals" is either being willfully ignorant or schilling for their employer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 7:29:33 GMT -5
"Right now, the world is trying to scrub everything and make it become politically correct."
You just lost every ounce of credibility.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 20, 2021 7:42:08 GMT -5
I dont want to mock anyone here, but to say something like "AEW doesnt attract casuals" is either being willfully ignorant or schilling for their employer. You are better than this. Really? Come on.
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