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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 17, 2021 4:48:03 GMT -5
I'm just saying, but if Zack Sabre Jr is free in a couple of months...
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 17, 2021 14:37:18 GMT -5
Amazing that Bryan had a nothing match at last year's WM and was a late addition to this year's WM title match. You'd think he'd be one of the blocks you build the show around, especially with two nights.
Similar with Suzuki. How does he not get on a two night WK?
Even if it's an online only show I'm glad they were given the chance to put on a match like this.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 17, 2021 14:42:36 GMT -5
I preferred the Omega match because it was more to my personal tastes, but this was excellent as well. You can tell Danielson is having a blast and if anyone watching didn't know who Suzuki was before the match, they do now.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 19, 2021 11:30:10 GMT -5
I preferred the Omega match because it was more to my personal tastes, but this was excellent as well. You can tell Danielson is having a blast and if anyone watching didn't know who Suzuki was before the match, they do now. Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 19, 2021 12:05:35 GMT -5
I preferred the Omega match because it was more to my personal tastes, but this was excellent as well. You can tell Danielson is having a blast and if anyone watching didn't know who Suzuki was before the match, they do now. Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard. He put on countless bangers in the E, too. vs. Styles on Smackdown in 2020, vs. Reigns multiple times (Fastlane 2021, his last match on Smackdown, Fastlane 2015); the triple threat at Mania 30; triple threat at Mania 2021; vs. Cena; vs. Kofi at Mania; vs. Styles TLC 2018; vs. Lesnar; vs. Triple H at Mania 30; vs. Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 12:47:06 GMT -5
I preferred the Omega match because it was more to my personal tastes, but this was excellent as well. You can tell Danielson is having a blast and if anyone watching didn't know who Suzuki was before the match, they do now. Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard. He was widely regarded as the best wrestler in the company when he was with WWE. I don't think anyone thought of him as 'a beard' and a one word catchphrase, to be fair.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 19, 2021 12:50:28 GMT -5
I preferred the Omega match because it was more to my personal tastes, but this was excellent as well. You can tell Danielson is having a blast and if anyone watching didn't know who Suzuki was before the match, they do now. Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard. I was really lukewarm to him in both the independent days and the ‘E days. Now, I’m all about him, I’ve really never enjoyed him more. Feels like him in his prime, as the most “complete package” he’s been.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 19, 2021 12:59:17 GMT -5
Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard. He was widely regarded as the best wrestler in the company when he was with WWE. I don't think anyone thought of him as 'a beard' and a one word catchphrase, to be fair. Well…I probably could have chose my words better honestly. I had a point. I swear. 😂
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 19, 2021 12:59:20 GMT -5
I will never get the appeal of pro wrestlers actually hitting each other as hard as they can. Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 19, 2021 13:00:57 GMT -5
Between this match and the Omega draw it’s blatantly obvious just how damn good a worker Danielson is and with any luck a whole new group of people are seeing that. Oh, sure, WE knew he was good. But there’s a whoooole buncha people out there who only know him for his time in the E…they don’t know about ROH…they don’t know about The American Dragon. Hopefully people are discovering he’s more than a one word chant and a beard. He put on countless bangers in the E, too. vs. Styles on Smackdown in 2020, vs. Reigns multiple times (Fastlane 2021, his last match on Smackdown, Fastlane 2015); the triple threat at Mania 30; triple threat at Mania 2021; vs. Cena; vs. Kofi at Mania; vs. Styles TLC 2018; vs. Lesnar; vs. Triple H at Mania 30; vs. Punk. Oh I don’t disagree with that. At all. But, like I said one post above…I probably could have done better with the phrasing in my initial post.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 19, 2021 13:13:15 GMT -5
I will never get the appeal of pro wrestlers actually hitting each other as hard as they can. Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter. Also, have you seen how good looking the cat was when he was young, because, in a word, Damn.
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Post by Blade on Oct 19, 2021 13:58:39 GMT -5
I will never get the appeal of pro wrestlers actually hitting each other as hard as they can. Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter. Brock Lesnar could kill almost anyone he's in the ring with and that does not make him a better professional wrestler if he legitimately tries to hurt someone wtf even is this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 15:11:25 GMT -5
Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter. Brock Lesnar could kill almost anyone he's in the ring with and that does not make him a better professional wrestler if he legitimately tries to hurt someone wtf even is this. That's the exact opposite of what he is saying. He's saying (accurately) that Minoru Suzuki could legitimately maim almost anyone he gets into the ring with, even at age 53. The fact that he's able to make his matches look violent without actually injuring anyone is a testament to what a great pro wrestler he is. I agree with the notion.
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 19, 2021 15:41:51 GMT -5
Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter. Brock Lesnar could kill almost anyone he's in the ring with and that does not make him a better professional wrestler if he legitimately tries to hurt someone wtf even is this. Brock Lesnar could kill almost anyone he's in the ring with and that does not make him a better professional wrestler if he legitimately tries to hurt someone wtf even is this. That's the exact opposite of what he is saying. He's saying (accurately) that Minoru Suzuki could legitimately maim almost anyone he gets into the ring with, even at age 53. The fact that he's able to make his matches look violent without actually injuring anyone is a testament to what a great pro wrestler he is. I agree with the notion. Thanks man, perfectly put.
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Post by Blade on Oct 19, 2021 15:56:58 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar could kill almost anyone he's in the ring with and that does not make him a better professional wrestler if he legitimately tries to hurt someone wtf even is this. That's the exact opposite of what he is saying. He's saying (accurately) that Minoru Suzuki could legitimately maim almost anyone he gets into the ring with, even at age 53. The fact that he's able to make his matches look violent without actually injuring anyone is a testament to what a great pro wrestler he is. I agree with the notion. Okay, so... a) why was that a counter to the original post?, and b) judging from this, he absolutely does injure people. Bryan was still visibly bruised and swollen on Dynamite. A great pro wrestler should ideally not be injuring people at all, not "injure them less than they could if they were actively trying to".
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 19, 2021 16:17:42 GMT -5
That's the exact opposite of what he is saying. He's saying (accurately) that Minoru Suzuki could legitimately maim almost anyone he gets into the ring with, even at age 53. The fact that he's able to make his matches look violent without actually injuring anyone is a testament to what a great pro wrestler he is. I agree with the notion. Okay, so... a) why was that a counter to the original post?, and b) judging from this, he absolutely does injure people. Bryan was still visibly bruised and swollen on Dynamite. A great pro wrestler should ideally not be injuring people at all, not "injure them less than they could if they were actively trying to". It was a counter to the original post, because if Minoru Suzuki (or any well trained fighter) hit someone as hard as they can with unopposed shots to the jaw, it would be lights out, not an entertaining duel. But if you really want to say that Minoru Suzuki, a man who has been wrestling professionally since 1988, who was one of the last students of the legendary Karl Gotch and who was one of the literal inventors of shoot-style (I.E. the art of making worked fights look real) can't work then I'm sorry, I don't know if you're being facetious, lazy or just plain ignorant.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 19, 2021 16:52:02 GMT -5
We need to use the word "injury" more carefully here. In wrestling an injury is Stone Cold at Summerslam '97 or when HHH tore his quads. A cut cheek is rougher than usual, but Danielson wasn't injured. He wrestled the next night.
And I'm not always a fan of stiff matches either, but this was a great match that happened to be stiff.
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Post by khali on Oct 19, 2021 17:10:57 GMT -5
As Bryan Alvarez has talked about before too, it’s okay to lay in stiff shots in safe places. Laying in a chop or a kick to the chest will look and sound great, and it’s safe. That’s a lot of what Suzuki does. He’s not going to knock out a guy with an elbow, but he can be snug in a chop or something.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 19, 2021 17:43:16 GMT -5
I will never get the appeal of pro wrestlers actually hitting each other as hard as they can. Have you ever seen a real fight between fighters as highly trained as Minoru Suzuki legitimately is? Even in his fifties that man could end just about any match whenever he likes any time he wishes, the fact that doesn't happen but his matches still look as good as they do is testament to just how great of a Professional Wrestler he is on top of being a trained fighter. That legitimacy gives Minoru an aura beyond just his "miserable mood" reputation he got from back in the day. He doesn't have to do "much" in the way of high spots because he makes even just the act of throwing hands with him into an event.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 19, 2021 17:46:42 GMT -5
Bruising can happen if you run the ropes wrong. Brushing happens in matches. I mean dude worked the whole Crown Jewel battle royal with a chest the color of a tomato, that's just how he comes out of matches.
The cut, yeah that one was a little snug, but honestly I don't think it was a huge deal. They're both professionals and they seem like they're the kind of people who know just how much to deal out to another wrestler.
Wrestlers from Japan can be notoriously stiff, it's just the style. That doesn't mean dudes are bad at wrestling, just the style. I remember Jericho realizing that in his book and adjusting appropriately.
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