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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 18, 2021 4:39:15 GMT -5
I don’t care about the outcome as long as it’s a springboard to a Cody heel turn. If Cody wins and everything is back to normal for Cody, then I would hate it. One thing I’m grateful for is that this whole thing isn’t the focus of the company, that it’s an overblown midcard feud at best, and AEW is so damn amazing that it can’t ruin anything. Although, I think when we look back on the feud, it will be seen as really good, because I’ve enjoyed the whole thing. It’s just that there seems to be a real tension around Cody more than anything else going on. IF this is the springboard to a huge heel turn, win or lose, then this feud did it’s job and you’ve created a badass anti hero in Black and a top heel in Cody. But that doesn’t happen, then the feud pretty much becomes pointless. Then I hope it becomes pointless then, because I still feel this whole thing is ruining Cody’s character and possible drawing potential. He didn’t need to be “humbled”, he was doing perfectly fine. But it’s “what the fans want”. Nah, man. I’ve *been* done caring about what the AEW audience wants. I wish this whole feud never happened.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 18, 2021 4:44:45 GMT -5
I don’t care about the outcome as long as it’s a springboard to a Cody heel turn. If Cody wins and everything is back to normal for Cody, then I would hate it. One thing I’m grateful for is that this whole thing isn’t the focus of the company, that it’s an overblown midcard feud at best, and AEW is so damn amazing that it can’t ruin anything. Although, I think when we look back on the feud, it will be seen as really good, because I’ve enjoyed the whole thing. It’s just that there seems to be a real tension around Cody more than anything else going on. IF this is the springboard to a huge heel turn, win or lose, then this feud did it’s job and you’ve created a badass anti hero in Black and a top heel in Cody. But that doesn’t happen, then the feud pretty much becomes pointless. Then I hope it becomes pointless then, because I still feel this whole thing is ruining Cody’s character and possible drawing potential. He didn’t need to be “humbled”, he was doing perfectly fine. But it’s “what the fans want”. Nah, man. I’ve *been* done caring about what the AEW audience wants. I wish this whole feud never happened. Y'know, I disagree (other than in not enjoying this storyline), but I can certainly see where you're coming from given my general attitude with the Dark Order at this point is firmly, "Who cares if they're over, this act sucks." Sometimes just gotta go with what you personally like watching, to hell with the popular opinion.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 4:55:08 GMT -5
I don’t care about the outcome as long as it’s a springboard to a Cody heel turn. If Cody wins and everything is back to normal for Cody, then I would hate it. One thing I’m grateful for is that this whole thing isn’t the focus of the company, that it’s an overblown midcard feud at best, and AEW is so damn amazing that it can’t ruin anything. Although, I think when we look back on the feud, it will be seen as really good, because I’ve enjoyed the whole thing. It’s just that there seems to be a real tension around Cody more than anything else going on. IF this is the springboard to a huge heel turn, win or lose, then this feud did it’s job and you’ve created a badass anti hero in Black and a top heel in Cody. But that doesn’t happen, then the feud pretty much becomes pointless. Then I hope it becomes pointless then, because I still feel this whole thing is ruining Cody’s character and possible drawing potential. He didn’t need to be “humbled”, he was doing perfectly fine. But it’s “what the fans want”. Nah, man. I’ve *been* done caring about what the AEW audience wants. I wish this whole feud never happened. The Malakai Black Feud and subsequent Arn Anderson vignette's didn't "ruin Cody's character". Imo the Ogogo feud did lasting damage. The America Promo being the exact moment where things went WRONG wrong. If you should wish no feud ever happened? It should be that one imo. Cody definitely needs to change something. You don't go from being one of the most can't-miss over talents in wrestling to getting the boos he's been getting without something having gone wrong. And imo Malaki Black's feud isn;t the reason things suck for Cody right now. It definitely wasn't the character Cody needed to face that's for sure given his current feedback... but he was getting booed as far back as the Casino Ladder Match.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 18, 2021 5:09:34 GMT -5
Then I hope it becomes pointless then, because I still feel this whole thing is ruining Cody’s character and possible drawing potential. He didn’t need to be “humbled”, he was doing perfectly fine. But it’s “what the fans want”. Nah, man. I’ve *been* done caring about what the AEW audience wants. I wish this whole feud never happened. The Malakai Black Feud and subsequent Arn Anderson vignette's didn't "ruin Cody's character". Imo the Ogogo feud did lasting damage. The America Promo being the exact moment where things went WRONG wrong. If you should wish no feud ever happened? It should be that one imo. Cody definitely needs to change something. You don't go from being one of the most can't-miss over talents in wrestling to getting the boos he's been getting without something having gone wrong. And imo Malaki Black's feud isn;t the reason things suck for Cody right now. It definitely wasn't the character Cody needed to face that's for sure given his current feedback... but he was getting booed as far back as the Casino Ladder Match. It is definitely in part from how over Malakai is and general dissatisfaction that's been bubbling up for awhile, but I do wonder how much of it is also just frustration with how it's the third time he's had this same exact feud. It started going in a different direction since he lost the rematch but the structure of, "Someone beats the shit out of Cody, he goes away for awhile, they spend awhile harassing his friends until he comes back all fired up seeking revenge," was done 1), with Brodie, and 2), immediately f***ing before it with the QT feud before that went to hell. And really even the MJF and Jericho feuds fell into a lot of the same trappings. It's kind of hard to give a shit about Cody when every single feud of his boils down to being the most titanic struggle between good and evil there's ever been. Even Cena occasionally just defended the belt against Khali, y'know?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 5:33:01 GMT -5
The Malakai Black Feud and subsequent Arn Anderson vignette's didn't "ruin Cody's character". Imo the Ogogo feud did lasting damage. The America Promo being the exact moment where things went WRONG wrong. If you should wish no feud ever happened? It should be that one imo. Cody definitely needs to change something. You don't go from being one of the most can't-miss over talents in wrestling to getting the boos he's been getting without something having gone wrong. And imo Malaki Black's feud isn;t the reason things suck for Cody right now. It definitely wasn't the character Cody needed to face that's for sure given his current feedback... but he was getting booed as far back as the Casino Ladder Match. It is definitely in part from how over Malakai is and general dissatisfaction that's been bubbling up for awhile, but I do wonder how much of it is also just frustration with how it's the third time he's had this same exact feud. It started going in a different direction since he lost the rematch but the structure of, "Someone beats the shit out of Cody, he goes away for awhile, they spend awhile harassing his friends until he comes back all fired up seeking revenge," was done 1), with Brodie, and 2), immediately f***ing before it with the QT feud before that went to hell. Oh yeah I agree. He has a weird pattern with his formulas and a few standout things that have imo hurt him to this point. One of them being it seems like by the grace of god he needs his win in a feud. Jury's out on if that happens here but it just feels weird that he constantly gets in the same formula. AEW is a babyface company where good triumphs over evil... but no babyface in the company is getting the boos Cody currently is either. On top of this what doesn't seem to help is Cody is never brought up or included in any other thing but himself. His lack of being able to challenge for the main title makes a lot of his interactions and storylines seemingly very self contained to his Family and whoever he is facing with occasional throwaway matches in between. The times where it felt like this was broken were the TNT Title open challenge which arguably was when people were really feeling Cody and what he was doing... and the Casino Ladder match where people were really starting to turn on him and his formula. Especially when they did the injury angle and he came back out to a chorus of boos. I don't think fans want to hate Cody. This isn't a Roman or Cena level thing right now. But it is a very distinct pattern and formula Cody seems to be putting himself into. And now when it feels like a wrestler has to feud with Cody... it's just weeks of fighting Cody and or Cody's friends with no real break. And when AEW's roster is getting as stacked as it now currently is... when you see Malakai Black fighting people like Dante Martin in an absolute banger of a match... it does kind of make people sigh that there now HAS to be a third match... even AFTER Black said in his own promo that he wanted to move the f*** on. It seems too self aware at least in my opinion for it to be blatantly stubborn in this instance. I think Cody just beating Malakai with no double turn or storyline point and then "Ok cool Cody got his win we can move on now" is actively going to hurt Cody's aura and standing with fans than if he were to just do a heel turn/antihero storyline and run with it. Otherwise if this really doesn't lead to anything but "Cody wins"... the one solace here is that it hopefully clears Malakai and Cody up for Full Gear and they can just mercifully move on to the next thing and maybe an opponent where Cody can start getting his momentum back. Because one of the biggest issues with this feud is the crowd does not want to boo Malakai Black over Cody... he's just too awesome.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 18, 2021 5:37:12 GMT -5
It is definitely in part from how over Malakai is and general dissatisfaction that's been bubbling up for awhile, but I do wonder how much of it is also just frustration with how it's the third time he's had this same exact feud. It started going in a different direction since he lost the rematch but the structure of, "Someone beats the shit out of Cody, he goes away for awhile, they spend awhile harassing his friends until he comes back all fired up seeking revenge," was done 1), with Brodie, and 2), immediately f***ing before it with the QT feud before that went to hell. Oh yeah I agree. He has a weird pattern with his formulas and a few standout things that have imo hurt him to this point. One of them being it seems like by the grace of god he needs his win in a feud. Jury's out on if that happens here but it just feels weird that he constantly gets in the same formula. AEW is a babyface company where good triumphs over evil... but no babyface in the company is getting the boos Cody currently is either. On top of this what doesn't seem to help is Cody is never brought up or included in any other thing but himself. His lack of being able to challenge for the main title makes a lot of his interactions and storylines seemingly very self contained to his Family and whoever he is facing with occasional throwaway matches in between. The times where it felt like this was broken were the TNT Title open challenge which arguably was when people were really feeling Cody and what he was doing... and the Casino Ladder match where people were really starting to turn on him and his formula. Especially when they did the injury angle and he came back out to a chorus of boos. I don't think fans want to hate Cody. This isn't a Roman or Cena level thing right now. But it is a very distinct pattern and formula Cody seems to be putting himself into. And now when it feels like a wrestler has to feud with Cody... it's just weeks of fighting Cody and or Cody's friends with no real break. And when AEW's roster is getting as stacked as it now currently is... when you see Malakai Black fighting people like Dante Martin in an absolute banger of a match... it does kind of make people sigh that there now HAS to be a third match... even AFTER Black said in his own promo that he wanted to move the f*** on. It seems too self aware at least in my opinion for it to be blatantly stubborn in this instance. I think Cody just beating Malakai with no double turn or storyline point and then "Ok cool Cody got his win we can move on now" is actively going to hurt Cody's aura and standing with fans than if he were to just do a heel turn/antihero storyline and run with it. Otherwise if this really doesn't lead to anything but "Cody wins"... the one solace here is that it hopefully clears Malakai and Cody up for Full Gear and they can just mercifully move on to the next thing and maybe an opponent where Cody can start getting his momentum back. Because one of the biggest issues with this feud is the crowd does not want to boo Malakai Black over Cody... he's just too awesome. The Full Gear leaked card has me thinking Cody remains a face after this feud, and I don’t see anyway he can be an over face at this point. Hopefully they pivot.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 18, 2021 6:18:06 GMT -5
I don’t think Cody’s programs have to be as melodramatic as they’ve been lately either, but does Tony really have to tar and feather the poor guy in an effort to remedy that? Why can’t he just have normal training segments to top Black? No, we gotta beat his ass and berate him?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 18, 2021 6:35:41 GMT -5
Oh yeah I agree. He has a weird pattern with his formulas and a few standout things that have imo hurt him to this point. One of them being it seems like by the grace of god he needs his win in a feud. Jury's out on if that happens here but it just feels weird that he constantly gets in the same formula. AEW is a babyface company where good triumphs over evil... but no babyface in the company is getting the boos Cody currently is either. On top of this what doesn't seem to help is Cody is never brought up or included in any other thing but himself. His lack of being able to challenge for the main title makes a lot of his interactions and storylines seemingly very self contained to his Family and whoever he is facing with occasional throwaway matches in between. The times where it felt like this was broken were the TNT Title open challenge which arguably was when people were really feeling Cody and what he was doing... and the Casino Ladder match where people were really starting to turn on him and his formula. Especially when they did the injury angle and he came back out to a chorus of boos. I don't think fans want to hate Cody. This isn't a Roman or Cena level thing right now. But it is a very distinct pattern and formula Cody seems to be putting himself into. And now when it feels like a wrestler has to feud with Cody... it's just weeks of fighting Cody and or Cody's friends with no real break. And when AEW's roster is getting as stacked as it now currently is... when you see Malakai Black fighting people like Dante Martin in an absolute banger of a match... it does kind of make people sigh that there now HAS to be a third match... even AFTER Black said in his own promo that he wanted to move the f*** on. It seems too self aware at least in my opinion for it to be blatantly stubborn in this instance. I think Cody just beating Malakai with no double turn or storyline point and then "Ok cool Cody got his win we can move on now" is actively going to hurt Cody's aura and standing with fans than if he were to just do a heel turn/antihero storyline and run with it. Otherwise if this really doesn't lead to anything but "Cody wins"... the one solace here is that it hopefully clears Malakai and Cody up for Full Gear and they can just mercifully move on to the next thing and maybe an opponent where Cody can start getting his momentum back. Because one of the biggest issues with this feud is the crowd does not want to boo Malakai Black over Cody... he's just too awesome. The Full Gear leaked card has me thinking Cody remains a face after this feud, and I don’t see anyway he can be an over face at this point. Hopefully they pivot. {Spoiler}Dont know how accurate it was but I read Rampage Spoilers where Black almost attacked PAC only for Cody to save him and then afterwards reaffirm to the crowd he’s never turning heel in a post show promo? If so..eesh lol. I’m still willing to give this program the “wait and see..” approach but WOOF.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 18, 2021 7:03:58 GMT -5
Malakai Black wins again.
Next month Black gets attacked by Windham Rotunda, and he turns face.
It should be that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 7:31:43 GMT -5
AEW is in a weird spot with this storyline because Cody winning is the logical conclusion from a writing standpoint, but Malakai winning would be much more satisfying from a crowd reaction perspective. "Demonic heel beats face twice because face has stopped believing in himself, face rediscovers his edge and is finally able to win" makes a hell of a lot more sense narratively than "Demonic heel beats face twice because face has stopped believing in himself, face rediscovers his edge but then loses again anyway." And yet the former outcome would get a ton of shit from both the live crowd and the online crowd.
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Post by clifford on Oct 18, 2021 8:42:18 GMT -5
I don't think a loss hurts Black that much. For one, he can finally move on from this feud and the dude is so over he could probably go on a 6 month losing run and the crowd are still going to go ape shit whenever the lights go off.
Crowd are going to shit all over an emotional Cody win and I don't know how AEW wouldn't have forseen that after Grand Slam.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 18, 2021 11:37:07 GMT -5
I don't think a loss hurts Black that much. For one, he can finally move on from this feud and the dude is so over he could probably go on a 6 month losing run and the crowd are still going to go ape shit whenever the lights go off. Crowd are going to shit all over an emotional Cody win and I don't know how AEW wouldn't have forseen that after Grand Slam. That’s why this is so puzzling. If they’re playing along, cool..if Cody gets his win and sinks his heels in remaining face despite a turning crowd..*shrug* hahahaha, I don’t even know what to say anymore. Bold strategy, Cotton.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2021 13:13:21 GMT -5
AEW is in a weird spot with this storyline because Cody winning is the logical conclusion from a writing standpoint, but Malakai winning would be much more satisfying from a crowd reaction perspective. "Demonic heel beats face twice because face has stopped believing in himself, face rediscovers his edge and is finally able to win" makes a hell of a lot more sense narratively than "Demonic heel beats face twice because face has stopped believing in himself, face rediscovers his edge but then loses again anyway." And yet the former outcome would get a ton of shit from both the live crowd and the online crowd. Yeah, like, the logical storytelling is that Cody wins and the feud is over with. But the crowd will shit on that. If Cody really is sticking face despite how much backlash there is against that, they need to at least try to put him up against a really hateable heel. Malakai Black isn't that. Don't go over-dramatic with it. Just do a simple "the heel is a dick but Cody's here to humble him" feud. Could be a good feud for the Elite if Hangman finally beats Omega. Hangman's arguably the most over face in the company and Cody forming an alliance with him as former Elite members makes sense, too. And if they do ever pull the trigger on a Cody heel turn, a betrayal of Hangman would get him hated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 13:14:59 GMT -5
The match ends with Cody shooting him right?
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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 18, 2021 15:49:28 GMT -5
The match ends with Cody shooting him right? There’s only one person shooting; and it’s Arn.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Oct 18, 2021 15:52:47 GMT -5
I actually dug that video package with the Nightmare Family slapping Cody up, it actually gave the rest of them something to do/a bit of character
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 18, 2021 21:58:14 GMT -5
I’ve tried every perspective to find one way I could be interested in this but, I just can’t.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 19, 2021 6:29:53 GMT -5
I don't think a loss hurts Black that much. For one, he can finally move on from this feud and the dude is so over he could probably go on a 6 month losing run and the crowd are still going to go ape shit whenever the lights go off. Crowd are going to shit all over an emotional Cody win and I don't know how AEW wouldn't have forseen that after Grand Slam. I’d laugh my ass off if Cody won and he brought out Brandi and the baby to celebrate and everybody boos it to hell. Like the imagine of a baby being a gigantic heat magnet is hilarious.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 19, 2021 6:45:15 GMT -5
I don't think a loss hurts Black that much. For one, he can finally move on from this feud and the dude is so over he could probably go on a 6 month losing run and the crowd are still going to go ape shit whenever the lights go off. Crowd are going to shit all over an emotional Cody win and I don't know how AEW wouldn't have forseen that after Grand Slam. I’d laugh my ass off if Cody won and he brought out Brandi and the baby to celebrate and everybody boos it to hell. Like the imagine of a baby being a gigantic heat magnet is hilarious. Black brings one of Zelina's cats with him to the ring on Dynamite the next week, and gets a huge pop.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Oct 19, 2021 10:46:23 GMT -5
I don't think a loss hurts Black that much. For one, he can finally move on from this feud and the dude is so over he could probably go on a 6 month losing run and the crowd are still going to go ape shit whenever the lights go off. Crowd are going to shit all over an emotional Cody win and I don't know how AEW wouldn't have forseen that after Grand Slam. I’d laugh my ass off if Cody won and he brought out Brandi and the baby to celebrate and everybody boos it to hell. Like the imagine of a baby being a gigantic heat magnet is hilarious. Flip side of that scenario. Brandi, baby, and Pharaoh all come out to celebrate a Cody win and Black mists all three of them. What. A. Pop.
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