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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 30, 2024 16:05:35 GMT -5
That is for real life. This is a movie. Thats why you have an armorer to make sure a gun is safe. In this case the gun was supposed to be loaded. Just with a dummy bullet that looks real but will not fire. An untrained actor cant tell the difference between a dummy bullet and a live bullet. Which is why you have the armorer to make sure that gun is safe. And once an armorer has handed you a gun and cleared it safe you do not tamper with it. The scene called for him to point the gun at the camera and fire it. All normal gun safety rules are out the window at that point. Someone was probably going to die no matter what. He just fired it early by accident. If the armorer had done their job the gun would have never fired. And I get that. But at the same time, I had a parent who was a gun enthusiast and was practically beaten over the head with "all guns are dangerous and can potentially kill someone, and it doesn't matter whether or not they're fake." I guess that's where my personal line of thinking comes from.
But again, the scene called for him to point the gun directly at the camera and pull the trigger. All normal gun safety rules go out the window. And what would him checking it have helped? The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy bullets that look exactly the same as normal bullets. So when he pointed it at the camera it would look real. Look at it this way. If you were strapped up to be lowered Sting style by a competent rigger you would be told not to touch or adjust the straps after the rigger is done. Because you could loosen or detach something important and fall. Or maybe the rigger made a mistake. But there is no way to tell as his work was interfered with after he cleared it. In this instance the armorer cleared the gun so unless Baldwin messed with it the only blame is the armorer. It could have been worse if Baldwin didnt accidentally fire it as who knows who would have been hit if he did the sceneas intended. Now Baldwin may share lots of blame as producer who hired people. But pulling the trigger, no.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 30, 2024 18:02:40 GMT -5
And I get that. But at the same time, I had a parent who was a gun enthusiast and was practically beaten over the head with "all guns are dangerous and can potentially kill someone, and it doesn't matter whether or not they're fake." I guess that's where my personal line of thinking comes from.
But again, the scene called for him to point the gun directly at the camera and pull the trigger. All normal gun safety rules go out the window. And what would him checking it have helped? The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy bullets that look exactly the same as normal bullets. So when he pointed it at the camera it would look real. Look at it this way. If you were strapped up to be lowered Sting style by a competent rigger you would be told not to touch or adjust the straps after the rigger is done. Because you could loosen or detach something important and fall. Or maybe the rigger made a mistake. But there is no way to tell as his work was interfered with after he cleared it. In this instance the armorer cleared the gun so unless Baldwin messed with it the only blame is the armorer. It could have been worse if Baldwin didnt accidentally fire it as who knows who would have been hit if he did the sceneas intended. Now Baldwin may share lots of blame as producer who hired people. But pulling the trigger, no.
I'll agree. I don't blame Baldwin a bit, despite how my posts may sound. It'd be like prosecuting Michael Massee for shooting Brandon Lee when it was some prop builder's fault.
I guess I just got lost somewhere in all this.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 30, 2024 18:08:08 GMT -5
But again, the scene called for him to point the gun directly at the camera and pull the trigger. All normal gun safety rules go out the window. And what would him checking it have helped? The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy bullets that look exactly the same as normal bullets. So when he pointed it at the camera it would look real. Look at it this way. If you were strapped up to be lowered Sting style by a competent rigger you would be told not to touch or adjust the straps after the rigger is done. Because you could loosen or detach something important and fall. Or maybe the rigger made a mistake. But there is no way to tell as his work was interfered with after he cleared it. In this instance the armorer cleared the gun so unless Baldwin messed with it the only blame is the armorer. It could have been worse if Baldwin didnt accidentally fire it as who knows who would have been hit if he did the sceneas intended. Now Baldwin may share lots of blame as producer who hired people. But pulling the trigger, no. I'll agree. I don't blame Baldwin a bit, despite how my posts may sound. It'd be like prosecuting Michael Massee for shooting Brandon Lee when it was some prop builder's fault. I guess I just got lost somewhere in all this.
Im not coming down on you. You approached things from a gun safety frame of mind. When you spend a lot of time with guns and are responsible about it that can be a hard thing to break out of. Which is good. It just doesnt really apply here.
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Post by mountaindew on Jul 30, 2024 23:46:21 GMT -5
I don't think Baldwin should have been charged. I'm sure he never would have pulled the trigger if he had known a real bullet was in it. And he had no reason to think there was.
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