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Post by papagiorgio on Apr 6, 2022 17:19:25 GMT -5
Not sure why they gave them the tag titles with all the allegations out there. That said, his wife sounds like a piece of work that only trashes him when they are on the outs.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 6, 2022 17:19:56 GMT -5
They went from giving him the tag titles to releasing him in a matter of days, he admitted to something or there's damning evidence not out in the public. Feels more like they didnt care about the abuse allegations, else they would have hot shotted the titles off them last night. Timeline says they didnt like the optics of Nazi pictures much more than the stuff from over the weekend/yesterday - or that it was the final straw at least. At the very least, they are now in a position where they can release Nash Carter/Zack Wentz even if the allegations turn out to be definitively proven to be false and it would still be a justifiable move.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 6, 2022 17:22:51 GMT -5
Not sure why they gave them the tag titles with all the allegations out there. That said, his wife sounds like a piece of work that only trashes him when they are on the outs. If I recall, she spoke about allegations and then deleted her intial tweet and then saying everything was okay and that we shouldn't hold anything against him. I wouldn't have given him the win in that case out of an abundance of caution but I get why from their perspective, it seemed like a non issue at that point. I mean to be honest, it's the NXT Tag Team Titles. If you need to vacate them, it is what it is. Probably not their biggest concern throughout the process.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 6, 2022 17:29:23 GMT -5
I was expecting that Hitler picture to be him in full gear, maybe a hat.
It’s honestly fairly whatever. Clearly a guy f***ing around while shaving.
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Post by Legion on Apr 6, 2022 17:42:01 GMT -5
Not sure why they gave them the tag titles with all the allegations out there. That said, his wife sounds like a piece of work that only trashes him when they are on the outs. I guess we also have to remember she worked for WWE too, so they may have some experience of how trustworthy/stable she is, before anything else came out or was alleged.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 17:52:41 GMT -5
Oh i am certainly not justifying his actions it's just a weird scenario to compare to in my opinion. Gable's story is complicated when it comes to WWE however due to the fact that he was allowed to continue his career well before he reached WWE. You then enter a situation of should he never be able to work because he worked the system? It's wild. Is it? Because he most likely got to continue his career because of a loophole. Like what if he did. He may have done, we'll literally never know. And you're cool with that? Definitely not cool with the fact that he was able to work the system so I do not understand why you would perpetuate that...I am simply stating there is a whole line of institutions going up to our own olympic committee that should be held to the same accountability if not more. What I fear is these horrible situations are being used as online fuel in a stupid us vs. them war and the actual victims, situations, and futures of those involved are all either being overlooked or manipulated.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 6, 2022 17:58:08 GMT -5
Oh i am certainly not justifying his actions it's just a weird scenario to compare to in my opinion. Gable's story is complicated when it comes to WWE however due to the fact that he was allowed to continue his career well before he reached WWE. You then enter a situation of should he never be able to work because he worked the system? It's wild. Is it? Because he most likely got to continue his career because of a loophole. Like what if he did. He may have done, we'll literally never know. And you're cool with that? They think Gable Steveson is a future top guy with a high end pedigree. Nash Carter is a flippy tag guy that doesn't have a high end ceiling in the WWE. Different rules...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 18:08:13 GMT -5
Is it? Because he most likely got to continue his career because of a loophole. Like what if he did. He may have done, we'll literally never know. And you're cool with that? Definitely not cool with the fact that he was able to work the system so I do not understand why you would perpetuate that...I am simply stating there is a whole line of institutions going up to our own olympic committee that should be held to the same accountability if not more. What I fear is these horrible situations are being used as online fuel in a stupid us vs. them war and the actual victims, situations, and futures of those involved are all either being overlooked or manipulated. That's not what perpetuate means, you mean imply. I think your first point about institutions being held to account and your second point are incompatible. I agree that institutions such as the Olympics, WWE and colleges should be held more accountable, especially for turning a blind eye to the literal criminal actions of sporting and economically beneficial individuals. That's not what you said originally though. You positioned your argument to imply that people comparing Stevenson's situation to Nash Carter's threw you for a loop and you couldn't see why. That's not compatible with the point you've made above. Because if the accusations against Carter are real, and they may not be, that's as criminally and morally abhorrent as the actions of Stevenson. So WWE tossing him aside is a curious phenomena compared to the weight of actions that they have not taken against other wrestlers and have not been bothered by with Gable. Really at the end of the day, I don't know what your point is and I'm tired and sleep and don't feel like pondering further. It just feels like, "well all institution's are bad and people are just using this for selective culture war stuff" which is a bad take. If I'm wrong, OK fair, but that's how it comes across. Sleep now, night night.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 18:16:33 GMT -5
This didn't age well...Did they ignore it with nZo as well? Be fair, WWE is at best inconsistent with this shit. Corporations rarely give a shit about ethics, unless it's for PR, damage control, or getting ahead of a situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 18:30:16 GMT -5
Definitely not cool with the fact that he was able to work the system so I do not understand why you would perpetuate that...I am simply stating there is a whole line of institutions going up to our own olympic committee that should be held to the same accountability if not more. What I fear is these horrible situations are being used as online fuel in a stupid us vs. them war and the actual victims, situations, and futures of those involved are all either being overlooked or manipulated. That's not what perpetuate means, you mean imply. I think your first point about institutions being held to account and your second point are incompatible. I agree that institutions such as the Olympics, WWE and colleges should be held more accountable, especially for turning a blind eye to the literal criminal actions of sporting and economically beneficial individuals. That's not what you said originally though. You positioned your argument to imply that people comparing Stevenson's situation to Nash Carter's threw you for a loop and you couldn't see why. That's not compatible with the point you've made above. Because if the accusations against Carter are real, and they may not be, that's as criminally and morally abhorrent as the actions of Stevenson. So WWE tossing him aside is a curious phenomena compared to the weight of actions that they have not taken against other wrestlers and have not been bothered by with Gable. Really at the end of the day, I don't know what your point is and I'm tired and sleep and don't feel like pondering further. It just feels like, "well all institution's are bad and people are just using this for selective culture war stuff" which is a bad take. If I'm wrong, OK fair, but that's how it comes across. Sleep now, night night. My original confusion was because the victim in Gable's case is not present or displaying their side whatsoever so we are stuck with the facts of the case, as presented by law, (a horrible one obviously) and my concern has always been that these horrible scenarios and situations are being used as ammo and as retribution (but not for the victim) either way. There was really no reason to be a complete dick with your response
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 6, 2022 18:39:49 GMT -5
Nothing makes stuff an 'us vs. them' fight like taking a situation and accusing people of being bad faith actors with an agenda. True middle ground balance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 18:49:43 GMT -5
Nothing makes stuff an 'us vs. them' fight like taking a situation and accusing people of being bad faith actors with an agenda. True middle ground balance. If that is the energy i seemed to bring here I apologize as that's completely false...I just didn't think the two cases were comparable due to all the circumstances involved either way. Gable got due process (no matter how ridiculous it was) before signing and Nash is losing his job without it. I have no line in this sand and the industry as a whole needs a bath...i just simply do not think you can lump them together like WWE is intentionally harboring rapists.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 6, 2022 18:58:39 GMT -5
Nothing makes stuff an 'us vs. them' fight like taking a situation and accusing people of being bad faith actors with an agenda. True middle ground balance. If that is the energy i seemed to bring here I apologize as that's completely false...I just didn't think the two cases were comparable due to all the circumstances involved either way. Gable got due process (no matter how ridiculous it was) before signing and Nash is losing his job without it. I have no line in this sand and the industry as a whole needs a bath...i just simply do not think you can lump them together like WWE is intentionally harboring rapists. The attorney in charge of the case all but said that the only reason charges weren't being brought was because of a law and then had an aside about how he has been pushing lawmakers to repeal that loophole. He may not have been charged with rape but there is still a reasonable degree to which they could have passed on a guy with a dirty history. People know that WWE applies its policies and standards to this stuff inconsistently based on how much they like a guy and how much they can sweep under the rug. Grooming allegations out against Velveteen Dream got danced around for months and multiple Takeover media calls. If people are seeing WWE as harboring rapists that is very much a product of their own inconsistencies and double standards. As far as your enerrgy goes, it feels like there's a lot of anti-tribalism hand-wringing any time anything bad goes down even when there's not been any of that yet showing up, or deflecting criticisms with 'whatever stuff sucks stop caring', so I mean. Yeah I'd look at those patterns, myself, if that's not what you want to be broadcasting, because that's kind of what you broadcast.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Apr 6, 2022 19:32:19 GMT -5
Both these people need a divorce and a LOT of therapy.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 6, 2022 19:48:12 GMT -5
We all know WWE's going to ignore it. They don't give a shit. They never do. This didn't age well...Did they ignore it with nZo as well? WWE fired Enzo the minute they heard about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 19:57:28 GMT -5
These two need to stay away from each other regardless of what happened.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 6, 2022 20:09:40 GMT -5
This didn't age well...Did they ignore it with nZo as well? WWE fired Enzo the minute they heard about it. With Enzo there was also the fact Enzo didnt tell then and it had a police report and trial waiting him. Even if I think Enzo didnt do it ,hard to argue WWE didnt do the right call there
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 20:14:20 GMT -5
and I cannot believe I’m actually saying this but reading everything, I actually think there’s a better chance this dude is innocent
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 6, 2022 23:30:37 GMT -5
Ahh, the old “If I’m going down, you’re going down with me” tactic.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 6, 2022 23:33:17 GMT -5
Reading this thread is like riding the most uncomfortable and emotionally draining roller coaster ever built.
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