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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 27, 2021 10:08:34 GMT -5
The same Linda and Vince McMahon who continued to put the same child on TV and use her in angles because she helped get their acts over; those babyfaces? Don’t think Linda and Vince have anything to do with that era of NXT’s product. Guess someone else owned the company then.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 27, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
Don’t think Linda and Vince have anything to do with that era of NXT’s product. Guess someone else owned the company then. Pretty sure it’s widely known that Triple H had carte blanche at that point. Your post implied Vince and Linda personally were involved in using Izzy on TV as being some type of hypocritical stance given they made Steph and Shane go to college before getting into the business.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 27, 2021 10:16:58 GMT -5
Guess someone else owned the company then. Pretty sure it’s widely known that Triple H had carte blanche at that point. Your post implied Vince and Linda personally were involved in using Izzy on TV as being some type of hypocritical stance given they made Steph and Shane go to college before getting into the business. No it wasn't, it was that Vince(Linda is her own giant piece of shit) was perfectly fine with a little girl being used to push wrestlers, and that Izzy was on his TV and on his website. You are the one who said they looked like angels compared to Izzy's parents, and I disagree.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 27, 2021 10:21:21 GMT -5
Pretty sure it’s widely known that Triple H had carte blanche at that point. Your post implied Vince and Linda personally were involved in using Izzy on TV as being some type of hypocritical stance given they made Steph and Shane go to college before getting into the business. No it wasn't, it was that Vince(Linda is her own giant piece of shit) was perfectly fine with a little girl being used to push wrestlers, and that Izzy was on his TV and on his website. You are the one who said they looked like angels compared to Izzy's parents, and I disagree. I didn’t say any such thing lol
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 27, 2021 10:22:03 GMT -5
The WWE used Izzy and her parents, Izzy's parents used Izzy. I don't see any good people, except maybe the little girl who didn't know any better. The buck stops with the owner of the company, and Izzy was a great way to put a face on a demographic they were desperately trying to get, and Izzy's parents got a big head from it, because, if you watched NXT at the time, Izzy was practically a character. I don't give points to a couple of Greenwich millionaires for not putting their kids on TV, just like I don't give Triple H points for hiding his children from the business, yet finding no issue with gassing up a little girl and his family to get his pet project over, or micromanager Vince for not having a problem with it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 27, 2021 10:22:58 GMT -5
No it wasn't, it was that Vince(Linda is her own giant piece of shit) was perfectly fine with a little girl being used to push wrestlers, and that Izzy was on his TV and on his website. You are the one who said they looked like angels compared to Izzy's parents, and I disagree. I didn’t say any such thing lol Sorry, I read it wrong, you didn't say that, my apologies. Another poster called them babyfaces.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 27, 2021 10:30:05 GMT -5
And regarding the parents, of course they need to be better, but they are also probably a couple of schmucks who got caught up in this bullshit without understanding how much of it is bullshit. How many I'm a Hugger shirts did Izzy sell for WWE, or headbands? I'm sure the number isn't insignificant. So these guys thought they had some say and some power within the business. I don't look at it much different than Charlotte Flair, the party has plenty of blame, but the WWE also had a huge hand in creating this monster, and if I overreacting to Vince and Linda being called babyfaces, it was because of that. (Well, some other stuff with Linda, but that's not to be discussed here).
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 27, 2021 10:38:55 GMT -5
What did WWE even really DO with Izzy, anyway? They had her involved in the Bayley v Banks iron woman match, I know that, she was the interviewer or something for some kind of “NXT Kids” pilot and I THINK she did something in one of the Mae Young Classic tournaments, but there didn’t seem to be anything especially egregious or exploitative.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 27, 2021 10:45:16 GMT -5
What did WWE even really DO with Izzy, anyway? They had her involved in the Bayley v Banks iron woman match, I know that, she was the interviewer or something for some kind of “NXT Kids” pilot and I THINK she did something in one of the Mae Young Classic tournaments, but there didn’t seem to be anything especially egregious or exploitative. Yeah I don’t remember her actually being used a lot by the company. Even the stuff with Banks in the Iron Man match was supposedly unscripted and all Banks’ doing.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 27, 2021 10:48:11 GMT -5
And regarding the parents, of course they need to be better, but they are also probably a couple of schmucks who got caught up in this bullshit without understanding how much of it is bullshit. How many I'm a Hugger shirts did Izzy sell for WWE, or headbands? I'm sure the number isn't insignificant. So these guys thought they had some say and some power within the business. I don't look at it much different than Charlotte Flair, the party has plenty of blame, but the WWE also had a huge hand in creating this monster, and if I overreacting to Vince and Linda being called babyfaces, it was because of that. (Well, some other stuff with Linda, but that's not to be discussed here). You’re making it sound like she was a pushed talent, outside of a few mentions on TV she seemed to be more of just a popular fan like Hat Man or Vladimir.
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Post by Legion on Oct 27, 2021 10:54:48 GMT -5
I'd just ban the fans involved in it.
If it's known enough to be a thing Meltzer can report on, then it's known enough to remove them from any ability to do this.
Plenty of other people would take those tickets I'm sure.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 27, 2021 11:20:22 GMT -5
If my daughter wanted to become a wrestler I would encourage her but only after she finishes and graduates high school and gets a kind of degree under her belt to fall back on when she can't wrestle anymore. I would not in any circumstances have her do anything in or be around a wrestling ring and doing deathmatch shit like the one time Izzy said she did shit with lightubes and said she loves it. Like for f**k sake that's not only bad parenting but it's like her parents are trying to live out some crushed fantasies or something through her. Also aren't her parents some piece of shit f**kneads that do stupid shit on shit hole independent promotions shows or something like that? If I recall, I remember reading in some book WWE put out that Stephanie and Shane weren't allowed to wrestle or actually work in the company full time until they got college degrees. Also Izzy is just as much of a carny as her parents if you've seen her recently. She got hired on to work Women of Wrestling, and has been real close with Tessa Blanchard, defending her whenever possible. The whole thing is a sad situation all around. Her parents exploiting her for "fame", and Izzy falling down a potentially dangerous and damaging rabbit hole. I'm not gonna begrudge a teenager who found herself in a weird impossible fantasy position for defending someone they probably look up to who is being nothing but great to them. Izzy isn't the kind of person Tessa usually targets, and kids are predisposed to have way more of a "but they're nice to me" view of the world even before getting into it being this cool champion wrestler who's being nice to her. The big thing is that her parents are fully grown adults who not only should know better and are trying to use their child for weird leverage and attention, but intentionally using that supposed clout to now mess with wrestlers and shit. Izzy's just a kid.
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Post by City Duck on Oct 27, 2021 11:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by 4real on Oct 27, 2021 14:48:04 GMT -5
They sounded really into MSK last night.
And just as they showed support for them they lost. They can make a storyline out of that.
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 27, 2021 15:09:22 GMT -5
And regarding the parents, of course they need to be better, but they are also probably a couple of schmucks who got caught up in this bullshit without understanding how much of it is bullshit. How many I'm a Hugger shirts did Izzy sell for WWE, or headbands? I'm sure the number isn't insignificant. So these guys thought they had some say and some power within the business. I don't look at it much different than Charlotte Flair, the party has plenty of blame, but the WWE also had a huge hand in creating this monster, and if I overreacting to Vince and Linda being called babyfaces, it was because of that. (Well, some other stuff with Linda, but that's not to be discussed here). It's weird to say someone's bad behavior is excused because at some point the company catered to them. Even if you think you have clout, power, or are owed respect there's proper ways of going about it and there's wrong ways of doing it.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 27, 2021 15:10:27 GMT -5
Of course the night I’m rooting for them, and the night the crowd actually cares about them is the night they lose to lame ass WALTERless Imperium. Smh fml
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 27, 2021 16:01:41 GMT -5
I have learned many things for the first time because of this thread and none of them are good news.
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Post by zrowsdower on Oct 27, 2021 19:56:22 GMT -5
Her parents sound like they come from some kind of bizarro world where I imagine the person who made the "Cane Dewey" sign is President.
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Post by Tiiulicious on Oct 27, 2021 20:20:32 GMT -5
Eh, MSK are the lamest of the lame. They've got channel-changing heat with me and Imperium is bae. Less MSK would make me watch NXT more tbh.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 6, 2021 10:54:11 GMT -5
There was an incident on the Twitter involving Lince Dorado and Izzy's father. Yeah, I'm sorry if I came across as defending the parents in any way in this thread, they are asshats.
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