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Post by eJm on Dec 25, 2021 9:55:03 GMT -5
That seems a way broader career statement than just “I wasn’t going to be a main eventer so I wanted to leave”, though, doesn’t it? Especially since he technically did “main event” WrestleMania last year. He wasn’t going to be a main event talent and would only be used occasionally is what I said. That’s what he said in the interview. It’s pretty spot on, I think. I don’t remember anything about him requesting to be a trainer/coach and being turned down, as others mentioned in this thread. This is probably just us interpreting a quote a different way so I’ll leave it as agreeing to disagree.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2021 9:58:59 GMT -5
That seems a way broader career statement than just “I wasn’t going to be a main eventer so I wanted to leave”, though, doesn’t it? Especially since he technically did “main event” WrestleMania last year. If his quote is accurate, "we see your primary value as being able to put over younger talent" is pretty much what he was told, and he didn't like that. I guess AEW putting him over young guys two at a time once in awhile is more to his liking, but I think WWE's position was completely understandable, and AEW telling him "sure, we'll still make you look strong at the expense of our guys" was one of their more questionable moves so far.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 25, 2021 10:08:40 GMT -5
That seems a way broader career statement than just “I wasn’t going to be a main eventer so I wanted to leave”, though, doesn’t it? Especially since he technically did “main event” WrestleMania last year. If his quote is accurate, "we see your primary value as being able to put over younger talent" is pretty much what he was told, and he didn't like that. I guess AEW putting him over young guys two at a time once in awhile is more to his liking, but I think WWE's position was completely understandable, and AEW telling him "sure, we'll still make you look strong at the expense of our guys" was one of their more questionable moves so far. Yes I remember thinking when listening to the Renee podcast interview when it came out that he seemed to still think he should be in the thick of it wrestling-wise and in a position high on the card.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 25, 2021 11:05:06 GMT -5
That seems a way broader career statement than just “I wasn’t going to be a main eventer so I wanted to leave”, though, doesn’t it? Especially since he technically did “main event” WrestleMania last year. From what I recall, there were a few different facets to his decision to leave. He definitely thought he still had more to offer in the ring. He also was not a fan of his treatment during Legends Night. He also wanted to try commentary which he wasn't getting a chance to do there. He also mentioned it being hard to work on some outside ventures when he would need WWE to back him. He just overall sounded fed up with the system and wanted to try something different.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 25, 2021 12:10:09 GMT -5
Big Show should be losing to people in seconds
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 25, 2021 15:13:45 GMT -5
On Paul Wight he talked about it a bit more on a Miro stream. Basically he felt like WWE just didn't value his opinion either. He mentioned the being told he wasn't a main eventer (which he also said the issue was more how the statement was delivered rather than that it was delivered) and that he had no problem putting guys over but he felt the message was more "you aren't a main eventer anymore so you cannot give these guys advice"
Like Paul knew he wasn't gonna be a draw much anymore but he felt they only wanted him around for name value to get people over rather than actually helping them get over
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 25, 2021 15:39:16 GMT -5
Big Show did great work in helping to make Braun Strowman look like a star.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2021 17:07:59 GMT -5
Like Paul knew he wasn't gonna be a draw much anymore but he felt they only wanted him around for name value to get people over rather than actually helping them get over ..... What?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 25, 2021 17:09:13 GMT -5
Big Show should be losing to people in seconds No, but he should be getting his ass stomped by Wardlow or Archer rather than smashing a couple low carders during a PPV and then standing tall to, at best, polite applause.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 26, 2021 9:46:19 GMT -5
Big Show should be losing to people in seconds No, but he should be getting his ass stomped by Wardlow or Archer rather than smashing a couple low carders during a PPV and then standing tall to, at best, polite applause. Yeah I feel like he was used better at least in-ring at the tail end of his WWE run than he has in AEW. Obviously, he’s getting to commentate one of the C shows so from his point of view he’s at least getting to work more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 11:08:26 GMT -5
Like Paul knew he wasn't gonna be a draw much anymore but he felt they only wanted him around for name value to get people over rather than actually helping them get over ..... What? They felt that Big Show could help talent get over by being in a Big Show feud and taking Ls rather than helping talent get over by giving advice, mentorship and overall providing more info that goes into wrestling him and other superstars. Big Show wanted to do more. He wanted to help talent similarly to HBK and HHH backstage rather than "hey Big Show let this guy pin you."
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 26, 2021 11:20:40 GMT -5
I don't see WWE releasing Roderick Strong. They will not risk a UE reunion happening in AEW. A UE reuninon has already happened though Cole,Fish and KOR were the original trio
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Post by eJm on Dec 26, 2021 12:08:32 GMT -5
They felt that Big Show could help talent get over by being in a Big Show feud and taking Ls rather than helping talent get over by giving advice, mentorship and overall providing more info that goes into wrestling him and other superstars. Big Show wanted to do more than just feuding and taking Ls. He wanted to help talent similarly to HBK and HHH backstage rather than "hey Big Show let this guy pin you." That’s how I took it, yeah. He wanted his name to mean something instead of being a guy whose name was just used as a one off and I get it. And as I said before, dude’s faced everyone who you could possibly faced across two major companies. He’s been a reliable hand for Vince for years, you want that guy’s experience to be there for the people you’re calling up and honestly, it’s worrying how many of those people have left the company by firings or expiring contracts over the past couple of years.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 26, 2021 12:13:07 GMT -5
They felt that Big Show could help talent get over by being in a Big Show feud and taking Ls rather than helping talent get over by giving advice, mentorship and overall providing more info that goes into wrestling him and other superstars. Big Show wanted to do more than just feuding and taking Ls. He wanted to help talent similarly to HBK and HHH backstage rather than "hey Big Show let this guy pin you." It's absurd they saw no value in Show as a trainer given how long he's lasted at his size compared to other wrestling giants. If they don't think he has knowledge to impart about working like a big man and lessening the wear and tear on his joints they're nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 14:58:10 GMT -5
Big Show did great work in helping to make Braun Strowman look like a star. Those two matches with Braun were like the only times I enjoyed Big Show since I started watching again in 2011.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 26, 2021 15:17:13 GMT -5
They felt that Big Show could help talent get over by being in a Big Show feud and taking Ls rather than helping talent get over by giving advice, mentorship and overall providing more info that goes into wrestling him and other superstars. Big Show wanted to do more than just feuding and taking Ls. He wanted to help talent similarly to HBK and HHH backstage rather than "hey Big Show let this guy pin you." It's absurd they saw no value in Show as a trainer given how long he's lasted at his size compared to other wrestling giants. If they don't think he has knowledge to impart about working like a big man and lessening the wear and tear on his joints they're nuts. Hell, if nothing else he probably has a lot to offer just in terms of being the rare big man wrestler who had problems with his weight and managed to both get and keep it under control.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 26, 2021 15:33:39 GMT -5
And as far as "Hey just let guys pin you that's your job", uh. Remember how well that worked out when they had Jericho in that role? Dude wasn't even frustrated he was eating pins, he was frustrated they were putting people over him constantly and then not doing a single thing with it. I can totally get Show not wanting to live that life and it not necessarily be a 'he wanted to win matches' kind of thing. Putting people over when it means nothing and has little to no value just isn't a fate anyone wants to spend the twilight of their career engaged in.
Fittingly, we've got the 'Azeez doesn't know how a pin' works thread over on the other side to help show the problem off. Dude had tons to offer as a trainer, and I doubt he's chasing glory having two matches a year where he squashes QT Marshall.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 26, 2021 15:37:20 GMT -5
It's absurd they saw no value in Show as a trainer given how long he's lasted at his size compared to other wrestling giants. If they don't think he has knowledge to impart about working like a big man and lessening the wear and tear on his joints they're nuts. Hell, if nothing else he probably has a lot to offer just in terms of being the rare big man wrestler who had problems with his weight and managed to both get and keep it under control. He also had a fairly solid grasp of how big and strong he is and didn't seem to over or underestimate it and hurt people left, right and center.
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