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Post by Savage Gambino on May 31, 2022 19:15:52 GMT -5
Hey guys, wanna see something absolutely awful? Wow this looks terrible. And a huge step back from all their past DC shows that have pretty close to the comics and their characters. This looks like a shitpost Youtube video where someone was spoofing Riverdale by making it Batman. Literally my first thought: DC's Riverdale This is the most CW show the CW has ever CW'ed, and I'm sure it's only by the grace of a busy schedule that Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa isn't involved.
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Post by xCompackx on May 31, 2022 20:49:07 GMT -5
Man, I really hate CW's style of drama. I think it worked with the Arrowverse because the writing was (mostly) good and the cast was strong enough to make it work, but when it's pure "CW-ized", it's garbage and that trailer is a prime example of how bad it can be.
Also, why do we need this show when the Gotham Knights game looks to be pretty much the same premise where Bruce Wayne is dead? Jokes aside, did this actually start out as something else and then someone decided "f*** it, call DC"?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 31, 2022 22:12:35 GMT -5
Man, I really hate CW's style of drama. I think it worked with the Arrowverse because the writing was (mostly) good and the cast was strong enough to make it work, but when it's pure "CW-ized", it's garbage and that trailer is a prime example of how bad it can be. Also, why do we need this show when the Gotham Knights game looks to be pretty much the same premise where Bruce Wayne is dead? Jokes aside, did this actually start out as something else and then someone decided "f*** it, call DC"? I 100% believe that htis was something else that got slapped with bat-paint to make it marketable.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 31, 2022 22:17:38 GMT -5
One of the things a lot of people have been pointing out how tone death CW is here. While the side cast is fairly diverse, it's basically replacing a show whose main character was a POC and LGBTQ+ with a, seemingly, white cis dude. Not a great look along with the laundry list of other reasons it looks terrible. and they don't even have the standard half assed fall back of just stating well we're adapting something and we wanted to get close to the source material because... they literally made someone up to be the generic white dude... despite there being characters that could fit that role. (and if they used like an actual character 2 out of the 4 choices if cast 100% accurately wouldn't just be White dudes.)
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 31, 2022 22:30:00 GMT -5
One of the things a lot of people have been pointing out how tone death CW is here. While the side cast is fairly diverse, it's basically replacing a show whose main character was a POC and LGBTQ+ with a, seemingly, white cis dude. Not a great look along with the laundry list of other reasons it looks terrible. and they don't even have the standard half assed fall back of just stating well we're adapting something and we wanted to get close to the source material because... they literally made someone up to be the generic white dude... despite there being characters that could fit that role. (and if they used like an actual character 2 out of the 4 choices if cast 100% accurately wouldn't just be White dudes.) And even if you did want cis straight pissed off white dude to aim at that Supernatural crowd Jason Todd was right there.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 31, 2022 22:33:05 GMT -5
One of the things a lot of people have been pointing out how tone death CW is here. While the side cast is fairly diverse, it's basically replacing a show whose main character was a POC and LGBTQ+ with a, seemingly, white cis dude. Not a great look along with the laundry list of other reasons it looks terrible. and they don't even have the standard half assed fall back of just stating well we're adapting something and we wanted to get close to the source material because... they literally made someone up to be the generic white dude... despite there being characters that could fit that role. (and if they used like an actual character 2 out of the 4 choices if cast 100% accurately wouldn't just be White dudes.) Damian Wayne is right there and even offers a compelling long term villain in Talia. Lean hard on his mother's side. But no, can't have someone of possible middle eastern descent main a CW show.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 1, 2022 0:23:30 GMT -5
and they don't even have the standard half assed fall back of just stating well we're adapting something and we wanted to get close to the source material because... they literally made someone up to be the generic white dude... despite there being characters that could fit that role. (and if they used like an actual character 2 out of the 4 choices if cast 100% accurately wouldn't just be White dudes.) Damian Wayne is right there and even offers a compelling long term villain in Talia. Lean hard on his mother's side. But no, can't have someone of possible middle eastern descent main a CW show. It'd be hard to fully cast for Damien cause Talia is like 1/2 Middle Eastern 1/2 Chinese... from what I remember... but... yeah. For the record the other person would be Dick who is at least part Romani. Though they seem to want his son to be like "Bruce Wayne" is supposed to be ... which like makes no sense if you think about it for any length of time. Hell the entire concept of Batman adopting a son that doesn't know he's Batman is ridiculous and honestly pretty god damned out of character what with the whole... my parents were murdered and I don't want anyone to feel as alone as I did afterwards. Also... the fact that Harvey is still Harvey... yet they have Duela... whose name is a literal reference to her being Two Face's daughter...
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 1, 2022 0:58:24 GMT -5
Damian Wayne is right there and even offers a compelling long term villain in Talia. Lean hard on his mother's side. But no, can't have someone of possible middle eastern descent main a CW show. It'd be hard to fully cast for Damien cause Talia is like 1/2 Middle Eastern 1/2 Chinese... from what I remember... but... yeah. For the record the other person would be Dick who is at least part Romani. Though they seem to want his son to be like "Bruce Wayne" is supposed to be ... which like makes no sense if you think about it for any length of time. Hell the entire concept of Batman adopting a son that doesn't know he's Batman is ridiculous and honestly pretty god damned out of character what with the whole... my parents were murdered and I don't want anyone to feel as alone as I did afterwards. Also... the fact that Harvey is still Harvey... yet they have Duela... whose name is a literal reference to her being Two Face's daughter... Honestly Duela is just a clusterf*** of a character to begin with. It's a dumb idea for a character to begin with and the endless pile of retcons they've done with her ever since just makes it even worse. Really while it's also kind of dumb the implications that Anarky is Joker's kid are substantially more interesting and the show should be exploring that if it really wants to have a child of the Joker in the show. There's an interesting potential contrast there in their extremely distinct concepts of societal upheaval despite broadly similar philosophies, plus it might be kind of interesting to see an adaptation not playing Anarky as a straight villain.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 1, 2022 1:01:38 GMT -5
It'd be hard to fully cast for Damien cause Talia is like 1/2 Middle Eastern 1/2 Chinese... from what I remember... but... yeah. For the record the other person would be Dick who is at least part Romani. Though they seem to want his son to be like "Bruce Wayne" is supposed to be ... which like makes no sense if you think about it for any length of time. Hell the entire concept of Batman adopting a son that doesn't know he's Batman is ridiculous and honestly pretty god damned out of character what with the whole... my parents were murdered and I don't want anyone to feel as alone as I did afterwards. Also... the fact that Harvey is still Harvey... yet they have Duela... whose name is a literal reference to her being Two Face's daughter... Honestly Duela is just a clusterf*** of a character to begin with. It's a dumb idea for a character to begin with and the endless pile of retcons they've done with her ever since just makes it even worse. Really while it's also kind of dumb the implications that Anarky is Joker's kid are substantially more interesting and the show should be exploring that if it really wants to have a child of the Joker in the show. There's an interesting potential contrast there in their extremely distinct concepts of societal upheaval despite broadly similar philosophies, plus it might be kind of interesting to see an adaptation not playing Anarky as a straight villain. I was specifically meant calling her Duela. She was originally just "The Joker's Daughter", and it was always kinda implied she was lying. She wasn't named Duela until they did the retcon of her actually being Two-face's daughter... and even then that was retconned as her wanting attention and claiming to be the daughter of all sorts of villains...
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 1, 2022 1:16:41 GMT -5
It's not too late to add The Hoot Owl! 🦉🦉🦉
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 1, 2022 2:33:28 GMT -5
One of the things a lot of people have been pointing out how tone death CW is here. While the side cast is fairly diverse, it's basically replacing a show whose main character was a POC and LGBTQ+ with a, seemingly, white cis dude. Not a great look along with the laundry list of other reasons it looks terrible. Don't forget cancelling Legends, which had 1 lesbian (Ava), 3 bi characters (Gary, Sara, and who Matt Ryan would play), a Ukrainian (Gary's actor is Ukrainian), an asexual (Spooner), and 2 Muslims (Zari and Behrad).
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 1, 2022 11:14:29 GMT -5
The f*** did they do to Bluebird?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 1, 2022 11:33:49 GMT -5
Honestly this show deserves to crash and burn solely because they felt they were competent, creative enough and worthy to create a new "son of Batman" character.
I hope someone working for the comics eventually pulls this character in and just absolutely mashes him into a cylinder shape and then drops him into an alternate Earth where every being is a sentient toilet and he spends all of eternity being flushed down various bowls while continually saying the "creative mind's" name between flushes.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 1, 2022 11:35:28 GMT -5
that reminds me of when they tried bringing the Felicity from Arrow into Green Arrow.... she was around for one story... and it ended with a "we'll surely see a lot of her in the future as she is now part of the team."
and she was never seen again.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 1, 2022 12:18:26 GMT -5
Who is this for?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 3, 2022 14:11:56 GMT -5
AKA: "Please don't compare us to that diarrhea show."
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 3, 2022 16:32:06 GMT -5
AKA: "Please don't compare us to that diarrhea show." I’m gonna laugh and cry if the game has a better Bluebird than the show.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 3, 2022 17:25:13 GMT -5
AKA: "Please don't compare us to that diarrhea show." I’m gonna laugh and cry if the game has a better Bluebird than the show. The bar has been set pretty low.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 3, 2022 18:16:39 GMT -5
I’m gonna laugh and cry if the game has a better Bluebird than the show. The bar has been set pretty low. As of yet, there’s no indication the game Gotham Knights will even have Bluebird/Harper Row in it, so it technically wins by default.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 4, 2022 0:46:02 GMT -5
WHO indeed!! 🦉🦉🦉
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