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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 16, 2021 17:11:27 GMT -5
I would've preferred Anna Jay in the match with Penelope instead of Tay because she needs the win far more Would've made more sense too since her and Penelope both have submission finishers. Kind of curious to see what Tay used to win. I don't know if maybe there's some trust issues with her being injured a few times but it seems like they've soured quite a bit on Anna for whatever reason as not including enhancement squashes on Dark she's pretty much done nothing but job since she's come back. Like she's definitely positioned quite a bit below Tay in that while before they were partners who were kind equals now it's more Tay is the star and Anna is like her "little buddy" sidekick. I think her and Tay are really hurt by them not having tag belts in they are a tag team but they have nothing to go for so if one of them isn't in the singles title picture they really have nothing to do.
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Post by holyshida on Dec 16, 2021 17:21:32 GMT -5
I would've preferred Anna Jay in the match with Penelope instead of Tay because she needs the win far more Would've made more sense too since her and Penelope both have submission finishers. Kind of curious to see what Tay used to win. I don't know if maybe there's some trust issues with her being injured a few times but it seems like they've soured quite a bit on Anna for whatever reason as not including enhancement squashes on Dark she's pretty much done nothing but job since she's come back. Like she's definitely positioned quite a bit below Tay in that while before they were partners who were kind equals now it's more Tay is the star and Anna is like her "little buddy" sidekick. I think her and Tay are really hurt by them not having tag belts in they are a tag team but they have nothing to go for so if one of them isn't in the singles title picture they really have nothing to do. Honestly. Creative have really screwed up on Anna Jay since her comeback. Hopefully her booking in 2022 is better because she should be booked like a star, instead she's booked like a loser. And yeah I agree that it would've made more sense for her to have been in this match since she was the one knocked out with the brass knuckles
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 16, 2021 17:33:34 GMT -5
How much did Anna Jay actually do before the injury? She beat Brandi and had a title match, both during a time period when the women's division was disastrously thin. The only interesting part was her tempting Tay Conti to join the Dark Order, a story that was dead as soon as the Dark Order turned face.
I have a hard time feeling like she's truly fell down in any material way. Even when she challenged Shida for the title, the match was rough and her "look how far I've come" angle was really unconvincing considering how short the timespan was and how little she'd had to do in the meantime. If anything, Anna was pushed out of necessity to begin with.
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Post by holyshida on Dec 16, 2021 18:12:58 GMT -5
How much did Anna Jay actually do before the injury? She beat Brandi and had a title match, both during a time period when the women's division was disastrously thin. The only interesting part was her tempting Tay Conti to join the Dark Order, a story that was dead as soon as the Dark Order turned face. I have a hard time feeling like she's truly fell down in any material way. Even when she challenged Shida for the title, the match was rough and her "look how far I've come" angle was really unconvincing considering how short the timespan was and how little she'd had to do in the meantime. If anything, Anna was pushed out of necessity to begin with. The match with Shida was pretty good. If you think it was "rough" then I suggest you watch it back. Plus since her comeback she's been improving every time she's in the ring. Simply put she should be booked far stronger than she has been
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 18:26:32 GMT -5
I would've preferred Anna Jay in the match with Penelope instead of Tay because she needs the win far more The way I see it? Contis being built.fkr a TBS title match, Anna is being eased back into competition since she did suffer a severe shoulder injury. Anna is also very early into her wrestling career, she can take some losses
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 18:29:33 GMT -5
How much did Anna Jay actually do before the injury? She beat Brandi and had a title match, both during a time period when the women's division was disastrously thin. The only interesting part was her tempting Tay Conti to join the Dark Order, a story that was dead as soon as the Dark Order turned face. I have a hard time feeling like she's truly fell down in any material way. Even when she challenged Shida for the title, the match was rough and her "look how far I've come" angle was really unconvincing considering how short the timespan was and how little she'd had to do in the meantime. If anything, Anna was pushed out of necessity to begin with. The match with Shida was pretty good. If you think it was "rough" then I suggest you watch it back. Plus since her comeback she's been improving every time she's in the ring. Simply put she should be booked far stronger than she has been Again, she's had a total of like 30 some matches in her career, she is a relative rookie and her losing to more experienced talents isnt a bad thing imo Records reset in a month anyway, nows the time for people to lose and I say that every year.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 18:33:12 GMT -5
Im curious if there is fallout to Fish getting pinned, bht good to see Best Friends regaining momentum. Heard they put Trent over huge in his return.
Also really curious who takes the pin in the 10 man. Garcia maybe getting one up on Eddie? Furthers the storyline and honestly gives 2.0 and Garcia more cred, like that move.
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Post by holyshida on Dec 16, 2021 18:46:41 GMT -5
I would've preferred Anna Jay in the match with Penelope instead of Tay because she needs the win far more The way I see it? Contis being built.fkr a TBS title match, Anna is being eased back into competition since she did suffer a severe shoulder injury. Anna is also very early into her wrestling career, she can take some losses The issue is she NEVER wins and is has had her comeback butchered by creative. At leadt they could've given her some "showcase" wins on Dynamite similar to what they did when Statlander Returned. They've dropped the ball completely
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 18:55:25 GMT -5
The way I see it? Contis being built.fkr a TBS title match, Anna is being eased back into competition since she did suffer a severe shoulder injury. Anna is also very early into her wrestling career, she can take some losses The issue is she NEVER wins and is has had her comeback butchered by creative. At leadt they could've given her some "showcase" wins on Dynamite similar to what they did when Statlander Returned. They've dropped the ball completely No they havent. She's like 23. She is exactly where she needs to be on the card coming off a severe injury and being super green, because she IS super green. It's why most of her matches back have been tag and why she's dropped a lot of her recent singles matches (quite a few.of which were protected). I know she has improved in ring, but her matches with Hayter and Bunny have shown her rust and dire need.of reps post injury imo, she shouldn't be getting those wins and showcases just yet. Statlander is currently on a completely different level so that isnt an apt comparison to.me. I like Anna, but we cant be out here acting like she's Jungle Boy. She's not there yet. 2021 was a year for her to ease back in and get reps, because she's still only had like 30 matches, something a lot kf.people forget due to her getting the Queenslayer push out the gate. The women's division is in a better state than those days, and Anna is all the better for it imo. There is no rush on Anna, she's over, people like her, and a few losses aren't gonna kill her. You probably don't agree with a lot of what I've said and that's fine, but nothing I've seen from Anna has indicated to me a ball was dropped or that they've ruined her, not one bit.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 16, 2021 19:03:39 GMT -5
It honestly sounds like a pretty unmemorable show. Nothing really stands out as “must see.” Rampage is usually hit or miss imo. Like you can usually get an inoffensive hour of wrestling, but most of the time I just don't have enough interest to watch it or to go out of my way if I have the free time
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Post by holyshida on Dec 16, 2021 19:09:40 GMT -5
The issue is she NEVER wins and is has had her comeback butchered by creative. At leadt they could've given her some "showcase" wins on Dynamite similar to what they did when Statlander Returned. They've dropped the ball completely No they havent. She's like 23. She is exactly where she needs to be on the card coming off a severe injury and being super green, because she IS super green. It's why most of her matches back have been tag and why she's dropped a lot of her recent singles matches (quite a few.of which were protected). I know she has improved in ring, but her matches with Hayter and Bunny have shown her rust and dire need.of reps post injury imo, she shouldn't be getting those wins and showcases just yet. Statlander is currently on a completely different level so that isnt an apt comparison to.me. I like Anna, but we cant be out here acting like she's Jungle Boy. She's not there yet. 2021 was a year for her to ease back in and get reps, because she's still only had like 30 matches, something a lot kf.people forget due to her getting the Queenslayer push out the gate. The women's division is in a better state than those days, and Anna is all the better for it imo. There is no rush on Anna, she's over, people like her, and a few losses aren't gonna kill her. You probably don't agree with a lot of what I've said and that's fine, but nothing I've seen from Anna has indicated to me a ball was dropped or that they've ruined her, not one bit. She absolutely should be getting these showcase wins. I'm not saying she should get a push towards a title match, but at the same time you have to build her up and make her look somewhat of a threat. If they don't do that then people are just going to perceive her as a loser which is the ladt thing they want. OK if you don't want to compare her to Statlander then let's compare her booking to Jade Cargill who's not as good as Anna, and yet they've strapped the rocket to her and made her look a million Bucks, that's what they should be doing with Anna, the difference in booking is night and day. And yes she's had only 30 matches but she wrestlers far better than her experience. Look there's no excuse why she's never won a singles match on Dynamite or why they couldn't have put her in this match with Penelope since that would've made more sense. She's been booked terribly since her comeback. There's no defending it, but I'll let it play out and see where we are in 6 months because I starting to lose faith
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 19:20:06 GMT -5
No they havent. She's like 23. She is exactly where she needs to be on the card coming off a severe injury and being super green, because she IS super green. It's why most of her matches back have been tag and why she's dropped a lot of her recent singles matches (quite a few.of which were protected). I know she has improved in ring, but her matches with Hayter and Bunny have shown her rust and dire need.of reps post injury imo, she shouldn't be getting those wins and showcases just yet. Statlander is currently on a completely different level so that isnt an apt comparison to.me. I like Anna, but we cant be out here acting like she's Jungle Boy. She's not there yet. 2021 was a year for her to ease back in and get reps, because she's still only had like 30 matches, something a lot kf.people forget due to her getting the Queenslayer push out the gate. The women's division is in a better state than those days, and Anna is all the better for it imo. There is no rush on Anna, she's over, people like her, and a few losses aren't gonna kill her. You probably don't agree with a lot of what I've said and that's fine, but nothing I've seen from Anna has indicated to me a ball was dropped or that they've ruined her, not one bit. She absolutely should be getting these showcase wins. I'm not saying she should get a push towards a title match, but at the same time you have to build her up and make her look somewhat of a threat. If they don't do that then people are just going to perceive her as a loser which is the ladt thing they want. OK if you don't want to compare her to Statlander then let's compare her booking to Jade Cargill who's not as good as Anna, and yet they've strapped the rocket to her and made her look a million Bucks, that's what they should be doing with Anna, the difference in booking is night and day. And yes she's had only 30 matches but she wrestlers far better than her experience. Look there's no excuse why she's never won a singles match on Dynamite or why they couldn't have put her in this match with Penelope since that would've made more sense. She's been booked terribly since her comeback. There's no defending it, but I'll let it play out and see where we are in 6 months because I starting to lose faith Comparing her to Jade also doesnt work because Jade is a one of a kind looking wrestler, of course she is betting pushed the way she is right now. Chyna wasnt brought in and pinned right away. Anna is again also coming off a bad injury that kept her sidelined for like nine months, Jade isnt. Anna Jay isnt a loser and no one thinks she is, shes a 23 year old rookie who is going to lose and that's ok because SHE IS 23. Losing some matches in the fetus stage of your career isnt going to factor in to how you can be pushed later. Jungle Boy lost a lot, Darby lost a lot. Anna has nothing but time on her side. Getting reps and moving away from the injury takes precident. She is a long term project for them, that's the smart thing to do.
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Post by holyshida on Dec 16, 2021 19:48:05 GMT -5
She absolutely should be getting these showcase wins. I'm not saying she should get a push towards a title match, but at the same time you have to build her up and make her look somewhat of a threat. If they don't do that then people are just going to perceive her as a loser which is the ladt thing they want. OK if you don't want to compare her to Statlander then let's compare her booking to Jade Cargill who's not as good as Anna, and yet they've strapped the rocket to her and made her look a million Bucks, that's what they should be doing with Anna, the difference in booking is night and day. And yes she's had only 30 matches but she wrestlers far better than her experience. Look there's no excuse why she's never won a singles match on Dynamite or why they couldn't have put her in this match with Penelope since that would've made more sense. She's been booked terribly since her comeback. There's no defending it, but I'll let it play out and see where we are in 6 months because I starting to lose faith Comparing her to Jade also doesnt work because Jade is a one of a kind looking wrestler, of course she is betting pushed the way she is right now. Chyna wasnt brought in and pinned right away. Anna is again also coming off a bad injury that kept her sidelined for like nine months, Jade isnt. Anna Jay isnt a loser and no one thinks she is, shes a 23 year old rookie who is going to lose and that's ok because SHE IS 23. Losing some matches in the fetus stage of your career isnt going to factor in to how you can be pushed later. Jungle Boy lost a lot, Darby lost a lot. Anna has nothing but time on her side. Getting reps and moving away from the injury takes precident. She is a long term project for them, that's the smart thing to do. Seriously, she should be winning more. She's never had a meaningful singles win in her entire time in AEW, that's just poor booking and creative. Also, come on. You can't use the lack of experience card on Anna and convientky not do that for Jade. Anna is better in the ring than Jade and yet Jade has already won several matches on Dynamite and had a pinfall win over Thunder Rosa, she hadn't even lost a match yet. I'm not saying Anna should go on an undefeated streak, but at least give her some wins so that when she loses to Britt or Hayter it doesn't hurt her as bad, that's just basic booking. Also there's no readon why she couldn't have had that match with Penelope and won that match. Basically Anna got knocked out with Brass Knucks and pinned, but it's Tay that gets the retribution instead of Anna, don't you not see how that makes her look like a chump.
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Post by markymark on Dec 16, 2021 20:33:30 GMT -5
Ford and Bunny are basically the equivalent to mid card heels at this point. The closes that AEW has to them for the women. Emi and Diamante could fill that role. Speaking of Emi, Mei went home so she's alone now Rosa said Mei is coming back to the US very soon(she is already helping her get bookings), I feel the reasons Emi isnt on tv is because 1. She isnt over due to her lack of english, 2. Lulu and Mei are already more over than her so I assume she is going to wait for Mei to return so Killer Queens can finally be on tv.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 16, 2021 20:48:03 GMT -5
Im curious if there is fallout to Fish getting pinned, bht good to see Best Friends regaining momentum. Heard they put Trent over huge in his return. Also really curious who takes the pin in the 10 man. Garcia maybe getting one up on Eddie? Furthers the storyline and honestly gives 2.0 and Garcia more cred, like that move. Evens out from last week’s Rampage where the Elite beat up the Best Friends on top of Cole’s win over Yuta.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 16, 2021 21:42:47 GMT -5
I think there's theoretically stuff they could announce for Rampage that would motivate me to actually watch it instead of just looking at spoilers (though half the time I don't even do that) but it hasn't happened yet.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 21:51:36 GMT -5
Rampage is a great and easy hour of wrestling to watch
And usually its great to watch to rinse the taste of Smackdown out of my mouth
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Post by deezy on Dec 17, 2021 0:41:00 GMT -5
I think there's theoretically stuff they could announce for Rampage that would motivate me to actually watch it instead of just looking at spoilers (though half the time I don't even do that) but it hasn't happened yet. Yeah Rampage usually feels like a show I can miss and not be behind anything storyline wise. I record it every week but I've only watched it a few times the last couple months.
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 17, 2021 1:16:39 GMT -5
Honestly it does feel like they’ve squandered the hype from Anna’s return. She’s lost A LOT since coming back and IDK that that was the best way to go.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 17, 2021 1:30:06 GMT -5
Honestly it does feel like they’ve squandered the hype from Anna’s return. She’s lost A LOT since coming back and IDK that that was the best way to go. She was out for nine months, before that she was always planned to lose round one of the womens tourney. She beat Brandi Rhodes and then lost a womens title match to Shida where she was clearly outmatched I'm struggling to see what momentum she had that she has lost. Everyone knows she's a rookie, she's a blue chipper in a better position than some others, but Tay should be getting the push right now, she's just in a better position. Anna is also 8-4 since returning, I get she has lost against some bigger opponents but two of those losses were due to brass knucks, one was a multi woman clusterf***, and the other two were to the womens champion and Jamie Hayter. I think she's gonna be ok. She's not out here jobbing to Rebel. And as has already been said, records reset in like two weeks, Anna can shoot out to a 4-0 record in January like gangbusters, the end of the year is a good time to lose.
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