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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 17, 2023 17:43:54 GMT -5
Just got back from the theaters. Been a long time since I saw a Thursday movie opening, but I'm on vacation and had no other plans so I figured "why not?". Over-all I thought it was a really fun movie, much better then any of DC's other efforts the last two years, but not quite the homerun that DC needed. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Watching this, suddenly all the massive changes in Blue Beetle's canon in his "Graduation Day" mini suddenly make much more sense.
Jaime's family, particularly Milagro, got really annoying at times. I know that's supposed to be part of the charm, that's how they show their love and all that, but you can only watch so much of it before remembering why you really hate going home for Christmas Eve dinner.
There was this theme running through the movie that Jaime isn't a killer and it plays into the resolution, but it honestly rang hollow when you're seeing Uncle Rudy and Grandma ring up their own body counts throughout. Hell, I question if all the faceless mooks that Jaime fought in the hallway scene survived. There was definitely some collateral damage happening here.
There was a lot of Ted Kord and even Dan Garrett lore throughout the movie which was very appreciated. Jenny as Ted's daughter was an interesting addition. When they revealed she was Brazilian I was hoping they'd reveal her mother was Bea de Costa/Fire, but it doesn't look like that's where they're going.
And for those wondering, no other heroes showed up. That includes Ted (and Booster), although the mid-credit sequence did feature a voiceover from him, so a future appearance is not out of the question. If you're wondering if you should stick around for the post-credit sequence, it honestly really is not worth it. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 18, 2023 16:41:54 GMT -5
It was fine. It was kind of as if you asked AI to create a superhero movie and it drew upon every possible superhero trope possible. Decent way to spend a couple of hours and the cast does a good job with what would otherwise be a super cheesy movie.
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Post by thechase on Aug 20, 2023 12:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 20, 2023 18:06:37 GMT -5
Not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination, but the worldwide numbers ($18 million) being lower than the domestic numbers ($25 million) are not promising.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2023 0:13:12 GMT -5
I do hope this movie does well for a few reasons, but if nothing else, because I don't want suits having ammo to make excuses latino characters can't sell a movie.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 21, 2023 0:19:10 GMT -5
I do hope this movie does well for a few reasons, but if nothing else, because I don't want suits having ammo to make excuses latino characters can't sell a movie. It's a crying shame that both Marvel and DC have made their biggest moves to diversify their products during a pandemic that kept movie theatres shut and in the aftermath where the comic book movie genre has entered a cooling-off period. I think even five years ago this would have had a shot at a $100 million opening. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2023 0:29:06 GMT -5
I do hope this movie does well for a few reasons, but if nothing else, because I don't want suits having ammo to make excuses latino characters can't sell a movie. It's a crying shame that both Marvel and DC have made their biggest moves to diversify their products during a pandemic that kept movie theatres shut and in the aftermath where the comic book movie genre has entered a cooling-off period. I think even five years ago this would have had a shot at a $100 million opening. Probably so. Like, yes, Wonder Woman is a much bigger name than Blue Beetle, but I do think part of why it did big numbers was it was something DC was legitimately beating Marvel to the punch on, and that its success is a big part of why Captain Marvel got a more earnest push. Blue Beetle is something DC is beating them on, but the timing (with way fewer avenues to promote it due to the strikes, superhero fatigue, etc) is making their task much more difficult than it had to be. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 21, 2023 0:30:51 GMT -5
I do hope this movie does well for a few reasons, but if nothing else, because I don't want suits having ammo to make excuses latino characters can't sell a movie. It's a crying shame that both Marvel and DC have made their biggest moves to diversify their products during a pandemic that kept movie theatres shut and in the aftermath where the comic book movie genre has entered a cooling-off period. I think even five years ago this would have had a shot at a $100 million opening. I mean... people say that the comic movies are cooling down but they don't really seem like they have? The ones that have failed were like the Flash which was never expected to do well... by like anyone but Warner Brothers... Shazam 2... yeah that was a failure but there's a list of potential reasons for it's failures... not least of which being DC movies having a REALLY bad track record. Ant-man and the wasp 3 didn't do great but... like Ant-man was never huge and it didn't do much worse than the other two. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 made basically the same amount of money as Guardians 2... and is hte #3 top earner at the box office. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 21, 2023 2:06:06 GMT -5
Ant-man and the wasp 3 didn't do great but... like Ant-man was never huge and it didn't do much worse than the other two. Ehhhh, it kind of did though? It made like 25% less than the second movie did despite having an opening weekend that was 60% higher and way more of a budget plus much more marketing. That one really was kind of disastrous. |
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Aug 21, 2023 2:17:28 GMT -5
Not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination, but the worldwide numbers ($18 million) being lower than the domestic numbers ($25 million) are not promising. I dunno. Beetle's opened in nearly all of its markets. 43 mil off of sixty-three territories for a super-hero film is pretty darn bad... or used to be, heh. Morbius gets dunked on for the memes and its hellacious second weekend drop but it debuted to 84 million - nearly the same number of countries too - and cost reportedly a quarter less.
It's also the second lowest domestic opening for the DCEU, pancaked between two pandemic era films (Wonder Woman 1984 and The Suicide Squad) which had a lot less screens and were day and date releases. It's potentially the lowest grossing of the franchise worldwide if it doesn't sputter over Shazam II's 132 million; there's a chance it might overtake it and others domestically though, word-of-mouth is good. A bad benchmark and an awful run of luck for DC Studios in any case.
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Post by Legion on Aug 21, 2023 4:18:18 GMT -5
They haven't advertised this at all.
No TV spots, no posters - I haven't even seen a Facebook ad for it.
I would have had no idea it was out this week if not for this thread.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 21, 2023 4:44:13 GMT -5
They haven't advertised this at all. No TV spots, no posters - I haven't even seen a Facebook ad for it. I would have had no idea it was out this week if not for this thread. I've gotten a lot of Youtube ads for it but then I do a lot of stuff in superhero circles so it'd make sense for the algorithm to be targeting it at me. |
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Post by Legion on Aug 21, 2023 4:47:53 GMT -5
They haven't advertised this at all. No TV spots, no posters - I haven't even seen a Facebook ad for it. I would have had no idea it was out this week if not for this thread. I've gotten a lot of Youtube ads for it but then I do a lot of stuff in superhero circles so it'd make sense for the algorithm to be targeting it at me. I ahve YT Premium free for 4 mths as part of getting a new Samsung phone, so I'm not seeing their ads right now |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 21, 2023 8:00:32 GMT -5
I haven't seen any ads for it either. Outside maybe one that seemed to actually be a truck ad with Jaime tacked on.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 21, 2023 11:14:05 GMT -5
It really does feel like WB set this up to fail. And probably use as ammunition to blame the strikes.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 21, 2023 17:31:10 GMT -5
I think that's being kind to Warner Brothers. Hanlon's Razor applies here, I feel.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 21, 2023 17:54:30 GMT -5
I mean... people say that the comic movies are cooling down but they don't really seem like they have? The ones that have failed were like the Flash which was never expected to do well... by like anyone but Warner Brothers... Shazam 2... yeah that was a failure but there's a list of potential reasons for it's failures... not least of which being DC movies having a REALLY bad track record. Ant-man and the wasp 3 didn't do great but... like Ant-man was never huge and it didn't do much worse than the other two. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 made basically the same amount of money as Guardians 2... and is hte #3 top earner at the box office. It's certainly open to debate, I'll grant you that. The MCU still hits big, though it's worth considering that only Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home exceeded the box office takes of the preceeding movies. Wakanda Forever, Love and Thunder, Quantumania, and GOTGv3 all took less money on bigger budgets. If not cooling off, an argument can be made that they may have peaked. Nothing to be concerned about yet, especially when most of those movies took in excess of $750 million, but maybe a sign that being a little more thrifty with the budgets would be a good idea. DC... I fear that for the most part it's a dead brand. Between the commercially unattractive Snyder vision, the complete lack of vision post-Snyder, and the shambling corpse it has become in the post-DCEU pre-DCU interim, I think James Gunn has a huge task on his hands righting this ship. As much as I think his movies will be fun, I have a hard time believing that The Authority and Swamp Thing are the kinds of movies you want to be releasing when your brand is box office poison. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 21, 2023 17:59:50 GMT -5
Honestly the vibe I get is that WB is just indifferent about it. There likely was some consideration that it could make them a small profit, but with the big shifts going on with Discovery and Gunn's control not really kicking in until 2024 and after? Blue Beetle is probably just seen as a lame duck that (in their mind) lacks even Aquaman 2's box office potential. Get some mandatory marketing for BB and see if has any legs, but keep the real focus on upcoming stuff.
If it came out that it even getting a theatrical release was partially a good will gesture towards Gunn because he likes Xolo and plans to keep him the rebooted DCU, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2023 22:24:58 GMT -5
I guess the bright side, if there is one, is that if they didn't spend a lot on marketing (comparatively), then that's one less hurdle to being profitable. It's not like with Batman V Superman where part of the problem was that they spent an enormous amount of money advertising it, so the road to profitability was grueling.
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Post by Error on Aug 21, 2023 22:31:43 GMT -5
They haven't advertised this at all. No TV spots, no posters - I haven't even seen a Facebook ad for it. I would have had no idea it was out this week if not for this thread. I've gotten a lot of Youtube ads for it but then I do a lot of stuff in superhero circles so it'd make sense for the algorithm to be targeting it at me. I see it at least 3 times a day and I'm not really into superhero stuff. I guess since I watched the trailer once as an ad they think to keep showing me it. |
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