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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2021 16:05:54 GMT -5
So you don't watch AEW, then. As someone who watches all of AEW, I don't think there's a lot of meaningful counterpoint. Yeah, AEW has other women that they've clearly invested in. It's inaccurate to say that Tay Conti, Hikaru Shida, Serena Deeb, and Nyla Rose have gotten nothing. It can technically be supported that AEW cares about every woman on their roster in some capacity. But all of them spend a lot of time in limbo, going long periods working web show matches with no angles. Even Ruby Soho has had her own angle development playing out on Elevation, with Emi Sakura exclusively in a player-coach role - both at a time when the main show has had a whole lot of two women (Ford and Bunny) in the same role of beatable heel over and over again, without mixing it up very much. And it can't be overstated that women are getting, at best, 1/6 of the screentime on Dynamite on most weeks. Kiera Hogan's statement of conflicted feelings about AEW make a lot of sense in this context. She talked about how her friends like Nyla and Swole were excited about getting to wrestle her - and if a woman wants to have two or three really good, memorable matches a year? AEW's alright for that. But it's not so alright for consistently getting screentime and having the kinds of angles that Hogan had in Impact. Rok-C is in a very advantageous position re: WWE. She's young enough, cute enough, and talented enough that she could well be the leading light when the Horsewomen are finally phased out. The biggest hurdle for her is probably getting in the door - and if she can do that, she's as likely as anyone to be set for life, because for all of WWE's issues, the gamble is worthwhile for someone who checks enough of their boxes and can work in a very WWE-ready style courtesy of Booker T training. If the question was over AEW not having enough women's matches on Dynamite, I'd be 100% there on the matter; the issue was whether AEW pushes or utilizes women who aren't Baker or Cargill, and the answer on that is a pretty emphatic yes, given how over Rosa, Shida, Statlander, Soho, Conti, etc. are, while others like Deeb, Allie, Ford, and others get to work as midcard heels. The idea that Rok-C would get a full-time AEW contract and then be jobbed out on Dark or whatever has no bearing whatsoever in reality, it's objectively wrong. On the WWE side, I have to think Rok-C has a good chance to be featured, and I think she'd get spotlight on NXT, but I think the odds of getting over with the main audience is higher in AEW given WWE's moves regarding its main roster women's divisions in the last couple of years. She's talented enough to overcome that and definitely has youth and ability on her side, but we've seen too many examples of talented people getting put into shitty circumstances for me to have faith in their booking on the whole. That's only from a fan perspective, mind; if they're going to make her a lucrative offer and she wants to see if she can make it on the biggest stage while she's in the early days of her career I certainly wouldn't blame her for giving it her all on that. But again, this idea that she'd be used as a jobber or forgotten about, given her pedigree and established ability levels, really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 22, 2021 16:11:46 GMT -5
But again, this idea that she'd be used as a jobber or forgotten about, given her pedigree and established ability levels, really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. The post you were responding to didn't say she'd be getting jobbed out, it said she'd spend most of her time on the web shows and showing up on TV once a month. Which is fully accurate to the booking for Riho, Ruby Soho, Hikaru Shida, and even Thunder Rosa over the last half-year. I don't disagree with you about anything else in the above post, but this is kind of like, cut and dry strawmanning. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 22, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -5
Until I see proof otherwise I’m not buying that AEW would push anyone hard whose name isn’t Britt Baker or Jade Cargill. Even if she was All Elite and fully signed Rok-C would probably spend most weeks on Dark/Elevation and would be lucky to make it onto Dynamite/Rampage once every month or two. If world class talents like Shida and Rosa can’t get consistent TV time then what hope would she have? Rok-C is also close with Kiera Hogan who was a highlight of Impact in 2020/21 but has done nothing since signing and has been intimating on Twitter that she’s unhappy with how little she’s been used so she may have friends in her ear advising her. So you don't watch AEW, then. I watch Dynamite every week and Rampage most weeks. Britt and Jade are the only women who are consistently featured. Literally everyone else is capable of disappearing off to the Youtube shows for a month or two at a time. Hikaru Shida is one of the best wrestlers in the world and she’s been featured less than QT Marshall this year. After losing the title she spent 5 months off TV and was on Twitter asking people to contact TNT and request more time for women’s wrestling on the show. I enjoy her matches with Deeb as much as the next person but that's literally the only thing she's done of substance since May. How can you be that good and spend months on the equivalent of Velocity/Xplosion. Would MJF/Darby/Sammy/Jungle Boy ever get kicked off the main show for half a year and wrestle exclusively on Dark/Elevation? Thunder Rosa is another one of the best female wrestlers around. Remember that awesome lights out match when she beat Britt Baker? In the 9 months since that match she has a combined 30 minutes worth of ring time on TV. She’s usually over on Dark most weeks like Shida while Baker gets all the primetime spotlight on Dynamite and Jade gets it on Rampage. We went over Kiera. A great young talent whose been signed for 4 months now and had 2 television appearances, one being squashed in a minute by Jade on Rampage and one losing to Penelope Ford on a Saturday Dynamite. Ruby Soho was a big free agent signing, came in and lost to Britt Baker 2 weeks later and has wrestled 3 matches on TV in the 3 months since. Tay Conti is heralded as one of the hottest prospects in the company but she’s not treated like the top male prospects/pillars are. Twice she disappeared from TV for months only to return for a two week winning streak so she could lose foregone conclusion title matches. She returned to Rampage in the past couple of weeks after disappearing again after losing to Britt at Full Gear. A big blow off gimmick/submission match with Penelope Ford. It lasted 4 minutes. No one's asking for everyone to wrestle on TV every week and get over-exposed but AEW goes too far in the other direction. Almost every woman has appeared (not even wrestled, literally just appeared) on way less than half of the Dynamites this year while all the top guys are on 95% of the time. At least if someone like MJF rarely wrestles they still give him stuff to do and make him feel like an important part of the show. He would never be treated the way most of the women are. One week on TV, 3 weeks on Youtube, another couple TV appearances, a month back on Youtube, etc. |
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