Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 31, 2021 9:29:46 GMT -5
I dunno, Joey Ryan and David Starr did a pretty good job of it. Also Jimmy Havoc is like... a delivery driver now. Wouldn't call Marty's Puerto Rican Exodus a really good place to be either. Obviously Toni is gonna be fine, but outside of really scummy or low rent Indies, I think getting blackballed can end a wrestlers immediate career if it's hard enough. ... why are we comparing someone quitting their job to a bunch of men who sexually assaulted women? seems like an apples and oranges thing to me. i'm really not, I was going with the insinuation that you can't get fired from being a wrestler, when... yes, you can. We saw it last year, it can be pretty much done. Tony's situation was being compared to a potential problematic blackball when I dont think it's going to do a damn thing to her reputation tbh
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 31, 2021 9:32:23 GMT -5
... why are we comparing someone quitting their job to a bunch of men who sexually assaulted women? seems like an apples and oranges thing to me. i'm really not, I was going with the insinuation that you can't get fired from being a wrestler, when... yes, you can. We saw it last year, it can be pretty much done. Tony's situation was being compared to a potential problematic blackball when I dont think it's going to do a damn thing to her reputation tbh alrighty gotcha. yeah Toni is going to be fine. there's room for her in AEW's womens division, probably a spot in Stardom if she wants to go back there, or any number of other places that'll treat her better than being Queen Pissypants' whipping girl.
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2021 9:50:39 GMT -5
Also, the WWE doesn’t really blackball anyone. The only two people I can think of are Nailz (who committed actual assault so I get it) and Scott Steiner (who is Scott Steiner so I get it). The majority of people come back if they’re offered to, even Billy Graham (allegedly) might be doing some work for the company and he badmouthed them every chance he got.
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Post by mistery on Dec 31, 2021 10:20:40 GMT -5
i'm really not, I was going with the insinuation that you can't get fired from being a wrestler, when... yes, you can. We saw it last year, it can be pretty much done. Tony's situation was being compared to a potential problematic blackball when I dont think it's going to do a damn thing to her reputation tbh alrighty gotcha. yeah Toni is going to be fine. there's room for her in AEW's womens division, probably a spot in Stardom if she wants to go back there, or any number of other places that'll treat her better than being Queen Pissypants' whipping girl. If her problem happens to be booking related, then AEW is probably going to be one of the last places she goes with the women's division there basically being the Britt Baker and Jade Cargill show. Also I don't think she's ever heading back to STARDOM either. They've started to rely significantly less on foreigners (even before the pandemic they were winding that down), and Toni was never actually a notable draw for the company either. Her red belt run alienated quite a few fans as well. Plus STARDOM doesn't need her considering they are making tons of cash as it is, and growing at an incredibly fast rate. Heavily investing in Utami, SLK, and several other women is paying off big time for them. And assuming Giulia signs a new deal at the end of 2022 and doesn't go to WWE (like what is being heavily rumored), it'll probably be her year, and she's also incredibly popular, even if some of her career decisions have been...unprofessional.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 31, 2021 10:40:00 GMT -5
Wonder should the title of the thread change since she wasn't actually released but quit?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 31, 2021 11:00:49 GMT -5
Wonder should the title of the thread change since she wasn't actually released but quit? She was still released. It was simply her choice to leave and they released her instead of holding he to the contract.
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2021 11:16:06 GMT -5
Wonder should the title of the thread change since she wasn't actually released but quit? She was still released. It was simply her choice to leave and they released her instead of holding he to the contract. Yeah, it’s not like there’s a clause where it changes terms if you decide to ask rather than WWE doing it, WWE either releases you or doesn’t.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 31, 2021 11:22:05 GMT -5
She was still released. It was simply her choice to leave and they released her instead of holding he to the contract. Yeah, it’s not like there’s a clause where it changes terms if you decide to ask rather than WWE doing it, WWE either releases you or doesn’t. Yeah, Gail Kim storming out mid match comes to mind. Where she "quit" but the WWE refused to release her from her contract so she had to wait however many months it was.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 31, 2021 11:28:09 GMT -5
Remember, you can't get fired from being a wrestler. I dunno, Joey Ryan and David Starr did a pretty good job of it. Also Jimmy Havoc is like... a delivery driver now. Wouldn't call Marty's Puerto Rican Exodus a really good place to be either. Obviously Toni is gonna be fine, but outside of really scummy or low rent Indies, I think getting blackballed can end a wrestlers immediate career if it's hard enough. There is something to be said about the fact that it took those 3 effectively leaving the industry of their own volition to convince anyone they were gone for good. The only 2 people I think got permanently chased out are Dave Crist and Scott Wainwright.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 31, 2021 11:32:32 GMT -5
WWE is too big not to. Thinking WWE is going to just up and implode is asinine. It’s like thinking AEW is just going to close its doors anytime soon. It’s not going to happen. Just like General Motors were too big to fail, or Enron, or Chrysler, or Lehman Brothers. Or, you know, WCW. The way WWE is running it's business should be setting off red flags like a toddler playing Minesweeper. Execs are selling off stock, TV ratings are at an all time low, house shows tours are being stopped, there are personnel layoffs in the hundreds due to budget cuts... these are not the actions of a healthy company. WWE is in trouble not financially, but because their current business model is unsustainable. And the notion that 'Vince will have sold/left before the ships sinks' isn't the great comfort you might think. People forget that in the 90s it took the WWF about 5 years to go from running stadiums to having to run televised shows from highschool gyms with lowercard talent being paid so little they couldn't afford to live on the road without help from bigger names.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 31, 2021 11:37:15 GMT -5
She was still released. It was simply her choice to leave and they released her instead of holding he to the contract. Yeah, it’s not like there’s a clause where it changes terms if you decide to ask rather than WWE doing it, WWE either releases you or doesn’t. "Toni Storm granted her release" as opposed to "Toni Storm released" might signal it was her choice, but we're also a few days into the story and I might be splitting hairs.
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2021 11:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s not like there’s a clause where it changes terms if you decide to ask rather than WWE doing it, WWE either releases you or doesn’t. "Toni Storm granted her release" as opposed to "Toni Storm released" might signal it was her choice, but we're also a few days into the story and I might be splitting hairs. I mean, true but yeah, it’s WWE’s decision regardless and they’d likely see it as them releasing someone as opposed to letting someone leave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 12:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 31, 2021 12:13:07 GMT -5
If that last part is true, then that is insane on WWE’s part.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 31, 2021 12:13:25 GMT -5
"Toni Storm granted her release" as opposed to "Toni Storm released" might signal it was her choice, but we're also a few days into the story and I might be splitting hairs. I mean, true but yeah, it’s WWE’s decision regardless and they’d likely see it as them releasing someone as opposed to letting someone leave. I think it’s more an optics thing as there’s probably people who haven’t read deep into the thread that might think she was released by WWE unilaterally like all the others.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 31, 2021 12:14:20 GMT -5
If that last part is true, then that is insane on WWE’s part. Because of COVID. Same happened with Edge at the MSG show
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2021 12:20:31 GMT -5
I mean, true but yeah, it’s WWE’s decision regardless and they’d likely see it as them releasing someone as opposed to letting someone leave. I think it’s more an optics thing as there’s probably people who haven’t read deep into the thread that might think she was released by WWE unilaterally like all the others. Eh, even so, it wouldn’t be the language WWE would use so no reason for us to either.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 31, 2021 12:26:09 GMT -5
how about 'Toni Storm requests release from popular multi faceted media and entertainment conglomerate'
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2021 12:28:38 GMT -5
how about 'Toni Storm requests release from popular multi faceted media and entertainment conglomerate' Toni Storm wasn’t hired by Disney, though, so that’d be a lie.
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Post by thehottag on Dec 31, 2021 12:46:57 GMT -5
how about 'Toni Storm requests release from popular multi faceted media and entertainment conglomerate' 'Popular' is a stretch.
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