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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 2, 2022 8:14:57 GMT -5
The thought of a Roman vs Brock Unification match while Big E just kinda fades away from main event status just like Kofi did is both unsurprising and yet still flat out shameful if it happens
Big E deserves way better than what he's been given, this is the kinda shit where if he ever leaves in the future? Yeah, not really surprised.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 2, 2022 8:33:00 GMT -5
There is just something so deflating about Roman, Brock, Becky and Charlotte as the main champions. It's the clearest sign yet of how nothing ever really changes in WWE, it's just constant status quo being maintained. They have about 6 or 7 guys they think are strs and treat well and the rest are interchangeable worker bee jabronis. Feels like it’d be one thing if there was a sort of company wide buildup of “next generation” stars angling to dethrone all of them; Brock, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, and the Usos all represent the 2010s, but it’s the 2020s now and the new guard is rising to take their place (ala what happened with Bret, Shawn, and Taker all winning against Hulkamania era stars at WM 8). But outside of Bianca, is there really anyone built for that right now, or who reasonably could be by Wrestlemania?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 8:56:18 GMT -5
There is just something so deflating about Roman, Brock, Becky and Charlotte as the main champions. It's the clearest sign yet of how nothing ever really changes in WWE, it's just constant status quo being maintained. They have about 6 or 7 guys they think are strs and treat well and the rest are interchangeable worker bee jabronis. Feels like it’d be one thing if there was a sort of company wide buildup of “next generation” stars angling to dethrone all of them; Brock, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, and the Usos all represent the 2010s, but it’s the 2020s now and the new guard is rising to take their place (ala what happened with Bret, Shawn, and Taker all winning against Hulkamania era stars at WM 8). But outside of Bianca, is there really anyone built for that right now, or who reasonably could be by Wrestlemania? Men: Big E, Drew, Riddle (once he finishes up with Orton), Priest (though his recent character turn is kind of lame so 3 months build might be pushing it). There’s also Lashley, Owens, Rollins, Edge, Balor all as believable title threats. Women: Bianca, Rhea and Sasha are all conceivable Mania title threats. Plus Bayley and Asuka whenever they come back. If they didn’t want to go the Sasha route (who is only 29 years old) there’s a ready made star in NXT in Shirai if they wanted to go with her and Charlotte. Tag: Raw has the Street Profits and Gable/Otis fairly well-built and Smackdown has been building up War Machine. Also, the “old guard” you listed may have been around a long time but all are in their 30s, bar Lesnar who’s still as exciting as ever.
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Post by papagiorgio on Jan 2, 2022 9:00:33 GMT -5
If they do the title unification thing at Mania, how does the work with the Royal Rumble winner getting a title shot unless they put them up for grabs in a triple threat match? If they do not do a Lashley vs. Lesnar Royal Rumble match, it seems like they are setting Lashley up to win the Rumble. I suppose you could put Reigns in the Rumble anyways, but that makes it even more obvious than usual who is winning unless he is a "surprise" entrant.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 2, 2022 9:01:43 GMT -5
There is just something so deflating about Roman, Brock, Becky and Charlotte as the main champions. It's the clearest sign yet of how nothing ever really changes in WWE, it's just constant status quo being maintained. They have about 6 or 7 guys they think are strs and treat well and the rest are interchangeable worker bee jabronis. Feels like it’d be one thing if there was a sort of company wide buildup of “next generation” stars angling to dethrone all of them; Brock, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, and the Usos all represent the 2010s, but it’s the 2020s now and the new guard is rising to take their place (ala what happened with Bret, Shawn, and Taker all winning against Hulkamania era stars at WM 8). But outside of Bianca, is there really anyone built for that right now, or who reasonably could be by Wrestlemania? Bron Breakker?
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Post by spagett on Jan 2, 2022 9:04:40 GMT -5
Feels like it’d be one thing if there was a sort of company wide buildup of “next generation” stars angling to dethrone all of them; Brock, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, and the Usos all represent the 2010s, but it’s the 2020s now and the new guard is rising to take their place (ala what happened with Bret, Shawn, and Taker all winning against Hulkamania era stars at WM 8). But outside of Bianca, is there really anyone built for that right now, or who reasonably could be by Wrestlemania? Men: Big E, Drew, Riddle (once he finishes up with Orton), Priest (though his recent character turn is kind of lame so 3 months build might be pushing it). There’s also Lashley, Owens, Rollins, Edge, Balor all as believable title threats. Women: Bianca, Rhea and Sasha are all conceivable Mania title threats. Plus Bayley and Asuka whenever they come back. If they didn’t want to go the Sasha route (who is only 29 years old) there’s a ready made star in NXT in Shirai if they wanted to go with her and Charlotte. Tag: Raw has the Street Profits and Gable/Otis fairly well-built and Smackdown has been building up War Machine. Also, the “old guard” you listed may have been around a long time but all are in their 30s, bar Lesnar who’s still as exciting as ever. You're just naming people on the roster. Especially with the men. Almost none of those are being built up as the next generation. How is Big E being built up? Having one of the lamest first title runs ever where he seemed to lose all the time? You can't count Lashley for example as part of the next generation being built up, he made his WWE debut in 2005! Edge made his debut in 1998!
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 9:10:22 GMT -5
Men: Big E, Drew, Riddle (once he finishes up with Orton), Priest (though his recent character turn is kind of lame so 3 months build might be pushing it). There’s also Lashley, Owens, Rollins, Edge, Balor all as believable title threats. Women: Bianca, Rhea and Sasha are all conceivable Mania title threats. Plus Bayley and Asuka whenever they come back. If they didn’t want to go the Sasha route (who is only 29 years old) there’s a ready made star in NXT in Shirai if they wanted to go with her and Charlotte. Tag: Raw has the Street Profits and Gable/Otis fairly well-built and Smackdown has been building up War Machine. Also, the “old guard” you listed may have been around a long time but all are in their 30s, bar Lesnar who’s still as exciting as ever. You're just naming people on the roster. Especially with the men. Almost none of those are being built up as the next generation. How is Big E being built up? Having one of the lamest first title runs ever where he seemed to lose all the time? You can't count Lashley for example as part of the next generation being built up, he made his WWE debut in 2005! Edge made his debut in 1998! I’m not just naming people on the roster, I’m naming people that can conceivably have world title matches this Mania. And I think being a world champion already is a pretty good way to be built up as being a long-term main eventer. And yes some of them are older so they’re not “next generation” but the question asked both next generation and this year’s Mania so it was pretty much a trick question! As there’s no need for the entire next generation to win belts this Mania.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 2, 2022 9:45:52 GMT -5
Quite honestly, none of this makes me want to keep watching WWE. It would have been more than reasonable for the Usos to show up, interfere against Brock to cockblock his winning the title, and allow Big E to retain. But instead, we have the Lesnar vs Reigns vs Heyman intrigue stopped pretty much dead in its tracks, another former WWE champion fed to an unbeatable main-eventer, and nobody left on either brand who could credibly beat either champion.
Seriously, we've been through this before so many times it's sheer masochism to expect different anymore. Vince and co are hellbent, seemingly, on frustrating fan expectations (and have been for at least the last decade), and now with so few left on the main roster, the holding pattern is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.
A darker part of me would hope that the next person tapped to challenge either Lesnar or Roman for the title simply says, "No." As in, "I'm not interested in challenging either of them for the title. The title's not that important - beating Lesnar or Roman has no value anymore. I'll just work here jerking the curtain until my contract expires and then take my leave." Multiply that by, say, ten, and Vince is going to have a very sticky booking challenge on his hands.
There's also the pressure such a situation places on the roster. To accept such a situation without complaint or question is tantamount to not valuing one's worth to the business as a whole. I get it - they're getting paid, probably more than on the indies. But how can fans care about _any_ of these people when they're consenting and participating in the torment? Why should we place _any_ faith in any of them? Why should we even bother watching knowing what's going to happen _again_?
This could just be me sick and depressed and all that, but seriously, nobody on the roster matters except for Lesnar, Reigns and Becky and Charlotte - for none of whom I would cross a room to watch now.
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 2, 2022 10:07:33 GMT -5
Heh, Brock smashing another New Day member on the same weekend as the Tony Khan fiasco. And people wonder why black wrestling fans are so vocal. Vince made sure we alllll took L's last night smh..but at least there's some of US in the position to take those falls unlike Jacksonville.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2022 10:53:48 GMT -5
So, from what Alvarez said in their review, he’s under the presumption that E was supposed to retain, Roman getting Covid made them pivot and he believes the plan is Roman Vs Brock at Mania in a champion vs champion match or a unification match. He does say the only people who know for sure are Brock, Roman, Vince, Paul and maybe Prichard. Roman Reigns. Dual Champion. Ahahahaha.. Yeah figured they'd do something like that. Given apparently they had plans setting up WM for Reigns/Lesnar/Heyman tonight according to reports and we got this after Roman got Covid, im assuming they're unifying the belts. Damn I'm good. To the topic, one thing I'm not sure has been said is that we've gone from effectively turning Lesnar back into Super Lesnar again after it took years of balancing him. I didn't see the match as a whole but from what small clips I saw through social media, reddit and that YouTube clip, it looked like everybody was treating Lesnar like he was Godzilla and then at the end he steamrolled through all of them and then won. Alvarez "believing" something and actual sourced reports are different, though. Alvarez doesn't have the sources, Meltzer does. And even then, I'd trust SRS over either of them. WWE switches a lot on the fly, but doing something like a unification match would involve talking to network partners and selling them in on it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 11:09:03 GMT -5
Damn I'm good. To the topic, one thing I'm not sure has been said is that we've gone from effectively turning Lesnar back into Super Lesnar again after it took years of balancing him. I didn't see the match as a whole but from what small clips I saw through social media, reddit and that YouTube clip, it looked like everybody was treating Lesnar like he was Godzilla and then at the end he steamrolled through all of them and then won. Alvarez "believing" something and actual sourced reports are different, though. Alvarez doesn't have the sources, Meltzer does. And even then, I'd trust SRS over either of them. WWE switches a lot on the fly, but doing something like a unification match would involve talking to network partners and selling them in on it. Yeah I’d say that’s extremely unlikely. They have two major television deals now with two separate channels/entities, and they’re also running two night Manias. I can’t imagine they’re combining the belts unless it’s extremely temporary (like a Becky two belts situation).
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 2, 2022 11:28:05 GMT -5
Nothing matters any more
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Post by thechase on Jan 2, 2022 11:44:14 GMT -5
"Commander Sinclair is being reassigned" "Why don't you eliminate the entire Narn homeworld while you're at it?" "I see a great hand reaching out of the stars..."
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 2, 2022 11:46:05 GMT -5
You're just naming people on the roster. Especially with the men. Almost none of those are being built up as the next generation. How is Big E being built up? Having one of the lamest first title runs ever where he seemed to lose all the time? You can't count Lashley for example as part of the next generation being built up, he made his WWE debut in 2005! Edge made his debut in 1998! I’m not just naming people on the roster, I’m naming people that can conceivably have world title matches this Mania. And I think being a world champion already is a pretty good way to be built up as being a long-term main eventer. And yes some of them are older so they’re not “next generation” but the question asked both next generation and this year’s Mania so it was pretty much a trick question! As there’s no need for the entire next generation to win belts this Mania. The point was that I was addressing a specific complaint people have: that the “same old people” are holding the main titles. One doesn’t have to agree that’s a bad thing, but that’s the complaint that’s been levied. My point is that it’d be an interesting story if WWE had organically set this up so that you had a slate of established champs all holding gold heading into Wrestlemania, but then had a slate of rising challengers who’d represent a new start/next generation kind of vibe. Just tossing names around, but say they had Bianca dethrone Becky, Rhea finally overcome Charlotte for good, and someone like Breakker ready to be the one who beats Lesnar or Reigns, that kind of thing (not saying he’s ready, by the way, just using him as an example). So no, Edge and Lashley would not suit those roles, as they’re already established champions and also much closer to the end of their runs than to the beginning or middle. My question was about whether WWE had some young up and comers besides Bianca who could reasonably be put into a spot like that and feel like a legitimate threat in time for Wrestlemania, and the vibe is pretty much “not really”.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 12:15:18 GMT -5
I’m not just naming people on the roster, I’m naming people that can conceivably have world title matches this Mania. And I think being a world champion already is a pretty good way to be built up as being a long-term main eventer. And yes some of them are older so they’re not “next generation” but the question asked both next generation and this year’s Mania so it was pretty much a trick question! As there’s no need for the entire next generation to win belts this Mania. The point was that I was addressing a specific complaint people have: that the “same old people” are holding the main titles. One doesn’t have to agree that’s a bad thing, but that’s the complaint that’s been levied. My point is that it’d be an interesting story if WWE had organically set this up so that you had a slate of established champs all holding gold heading into Wrestlemania, but then had a slate of rising challengers who’d represent a new start/next generation kind of vibe. Just tossing names around, but say they had Bianca dethrone Becky, Rhea finally overcome Charlotte for good, and someone like Breakker ready to be the one who beats Lesnar or Reigns, that kind of thing (not saying he’s ready, by the way, just using him as an example). So no, Edge and Lashley would not suit those roles, as they’re already established champions and also much closer to the end of their runs than to the beginning or middle. My question was about whether WWE had some young up and comers besides Bianca who could reasonably be put into a spot like that and feel like a legitimate threat in time for Wrestlemania, and the vibe is pretty much “not really”. They already crowned Bianca and Ripley in similar fashion last Mania. They did it with Drew and Braun the year before (Braun was a replacement though). With that specific criteria, I’d say Bianca, Ripley, Riddle, Big E are all able and established enough to win Rumbles/Elimination Chambers to qualify for Mania title matches and win.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 2, 2022 12:15:39 GMT -5
Stop having your babyfaces win the title, especially their first, by cashing in Money in the Bank on a heel who is either injured and/or just had a match, you idiots.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 2, 2022 12:20:04 GMT -5
I watched highlights of that. Brock took so many moves than he's done in 10 years.
But let's not kid ourselves. This means Brock vs Goldberg at Mania
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 2, 2022 13:05:57 GMT -5
The match itself was great. It reminded me of the Summerslam 2017 main event. Just all action insanity from start to finish with no wasted motion.
As someone who loves current babyface Brock though and thinks it's the most entertaining he's been in years I still didn't want him to win here and Big E's title reign to end. I was hoping the Usos would interfere to distract Brock and whoever was originally planned to win would still do so.
The moment Big E used the MITB to beat an exhausted and injured Lashley I worried. I struggle to recall a babyface doing the cheap cash-in like that then having a strong reign. Maybe Ambrose in 2016 but for the most part it comes off as a cowardly move and the face ends up continuing to look weak and undeserving as champion like Punk in 2008 or Nikki ASH recently. Then the very next week he loses to Roman twice. It was the worst possible start to his reign. They actually managed to correct course after that when he did get a decisive victory over Lashley in a cage match and got another win over a credible opponent in McIntyre. It went right back to crap though. In the past 2 months he's either lost a match or been beaten down on more Raw's than he hasn't been and then his reign ends with a whimper without any kind of story to a guy who wasn't even supposed to be in the match.
They can't do to Big E what they did to Kofi after his title loss. If he's back in the midcard or re-uniting with New Day within a month then it's just yet more braindead booking. I think you'll be able to tell how they view him based on where he is on the Wrestlemania card. If he's already been demoted to some random multi-man match then I think this was a one and done title reign. He needs a featured spot. I saw Goldberg say he has one match left on his contract and Big E has said for years that's his dream match so hopefully they give him it. It would give him a credible win/spot on the card and it could actually be an emotional moment if he gets to retire his hero and they do the old hug/show of respect afterwards.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 2, 2022 13:55:02 GMT -5
No one sees Big E or Rhea on that same level right now.
In WWE, just holding a belt means very little because they do not respect their own belts. It’s how you’re portrayed as champion.
Rhea’s title run was botched, they fed her to Charlotte again for a second straight year for stupid reasons, and she has not been booked as a “big deal” since then.
Big E spent most of his title reign getting beaten up.
So no, WWE does not have a crop of new stars built up enough at this point right now. And it makes their product tedious to watch.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 2, 2022 14:37:23 GMT -5
Look at Big E. How do you f*** up a top title run with that guy? YEah, Super athletic, sweats charisma, and has a great connection with the crowd... so let's just cut him off at the legs at every opportunity...
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