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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 5, 2022 22:36:41 GMT -5
Genuine question, was the crowd dead for the TBS title match? Because coming across here some people voted lower because it sounded like the crowd died by the second hour. I mean at times but they came up for the final five minutes. There was a lot of back and forth chants for Jade and Ruby. Plus Jade got a big reaction for the win. She was pretty over. But we all came up again for the main event. Well at least that can squash the narrative that Jade or Ruby or the match overall wasn't over with the fans Jade being over is important too, for her faults, the crowds always seem into her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 22:36:43 GMT -5
Hard one to rate. The opener into Punk/MJF was some of the best wrestling television ever. Really rough points. I’m a huge Jade fan but that match was tough. Pillman is dreadful. Main event helped pick up steam...all things consider 8/10. Obviously anyone can rate the show however they want, but these "lots of really rough points and dreadful stuff, 8/10" posts crack me up. What's the point of having a 10-point scale when the show is seemingly rated only on a scale of 7-10? Edit: Just to re-emphasize...if someone truly thinks the show is an 8, that's one thing. I'm talking about multiple posts where people call out half of the segments on the show and still give it a 9. To me, a 10-point episode of TV is an all-time classic that will be talked about as a specific episode for years. Stuff like the Dallas Raw in 2000, or even the Dynamite from a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean every segment has to be gold, but you have to walk away thinking of a lot more good than bad. Have you played any of the recent TEW games? That’s kind of the scale I use to rate the shows. So the main event matches factor higher into the rating than the undercard matches. On this show, I give the opener a 10. That was 30 minutes of the show, and one of the clear main events. I also give the Punk/MJF promo segment a 10. I give the main event a 9 and Black/Pillman a 7. So even though I give the Wardlow squash a 3 and the Jade/Ruby match like a 5, I still give the show as a whole a 9 because the more “important” segments were so good in my eyes.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 5, 2022 22:37:51 GMT -5
I will say this as well, with the Pillman/Black match AEW fell again into a normal trap of having a squash go way too long Even then it only went what five minutes including PNP? Pillman's not a total goober so it makes sense, but he still got killed Looks like The Blondes are done on Dynamite for a bit after that anyway, Pillman needs a reset anyway I feel.
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Post by petef3 on Jan 5, 2022 22:38:00 GMT -5
That's what I tried to emphasize with my edit: the rating literally doesn't match the text of the post. Roger Ebert is free to give **** to any movie he sees as worthy, but if his review has complaints about the lead actress and how the ending doesn't work amongst the praise, I'd be real confused. A movie with "enough good points that don't detract as hard from the positives" is a ***, marginal-thumbs-up affair. If it's an album, a 6.6 out of 10 on Pitchfork. It's subjective taste dude, like really I don't know what you want people to tell you on a Poll thread, shows are all judges differently by everyone here and will be absorbed differently too, it's really not worth getting worked up over imo, it's really not that serious. No one's "worked up." I literally said the posts "cracked me up"--no, not literally, I'm not actually laughing out loud. But I'm genuinely amused. It's like a reverse version of the Jay Sherman line from The Critic, "It gets my best possible rating: 7 out of 10!"
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 5, 2022 22:39:16 GMT -5
I do kind of agree with the point on ratings, but that's less a slight against anyone here and more against a ten point rating scale in general. I personally try to treat 5 as a baseline - thus even in giving this a 4 it's not like I'm saying the entire thing was a dumpster fire - but I also know a lot of people do 7 or 8 as the same, or even treat 10 as the baseline and subtract points for things they especially dislike. It's a pretty useless rating system but that's more of an indictment of the rating system itself because the whole concept of it is very nebulous.
But not like these threads mean shit anyway, kind of just a way to talk about feelings on the show after the fact, so it doesn't really matter anyway. I can't remember the last time I even actually looked to see what overall rating a show actually got or really even paid much attention to the votes. So really whatever, people can assign as much meaning to it and whatever curve to it that they feel is right for them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 5, 2022 22:39:42 GMT -5
It's subjective taste dude, like really I don't know what you want people to tell you on a Poll thread, shows are all judges differently by everyone here and will be absorbed differently too, it's really not worth getting worked up over imo, it's really not that serious. No one's "worked up." I literally said the posts "cracked me up"--no, not literally, I'm not actually laughing out loud. But I'm genuinely amused. It's like a reverse version of the Jay Sherman line from The Critic, "It gets my best possible rating: 7 out of 10!" Again that's fine, youre clearly more critical and entrenched in things you have a problem with that bring down your overall enjoyment of a show, but not everyone's like that, some things didn't hit but the things that did were more important and factored into the final vote. It is what it is.
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Post by petef3 on Jan 5, 2022 22:40:48 GMT -5
Obviously anyone can rate the show however they want, but these "lots of really rough points and dreadful stuff, 8/10" posts crack me up. What's the point of having a 10-point scale when the show is seemingly rated only on a scale of 7-10? Edit: Just to re-emphasize...if someone truly thinks the show is an 8, that's one thing. I'm talking about multiple posts where people call out half of the segments on the show and still give it a 9. To me, a 10-point episode of TV is an all-time classic that will be talked about as a specific episode for years. Stuff like the Dallas Raw in 2000, or even the Dynamite from a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean every segment has to be gold, but you have to walk away thinking of a lot more good than bad. Have you played any of the recent TEW games? That’s kind of the scale I use to rate the shows. So the main event matches factor higher into the rating than the undercard matches. On this show, I give the opener a 10. That was 30 minutes of the show, and one of the clear main events. I also give the Punk/MJF promo segment a 10. I give the main event a 9 and Black/Pillman a 7. So even though I give the Wardlow squash a 3 and the Jade/Ruby match like a 5, I still give the show as a whole a 9 because the more “important” segments were so good in my eyes. I agree that certain segments should carry more weight than others. I couldn't even tell you what else took place on that Dallas Raw besides the Foley/HHH segment setting up the stips for No Way Out, the Radicals turn, the Rock promo, and the 10-man main event and aftermath, but it doesn't matter. On the other hand, I don't recall anything particularly *bad* happening on that show and some outright bad stuff happened tonight--quite a bit of it, in fact. That's where we get into differences of opinion, but if too much stands out as bad it should make a tangible difference.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 5, 2022 22:41:11 GMT -5
I do kind of agree with the point on ratings, but that's less a slight against anyone here and more against a ten point rating scale in general. I personally try to treat 5 as a baseline - thus even in giving this a 4 it's not like I'm saying the entire thing was a dumpster fire - but I also know a lot of people do 7 or 8 as the same, or even treat 10 as the baseline and subtract points for things they especially dislike. It's a pretty useless rating system but that's more of an indictment of the rating system itself because the whole concept of it is very nebulous. But not like these threads mean shit anyway, kind of just a way to talk about feelings on the show after the fact, so it doesn't really matter anyway. I can't remember the last time I even actually looked to see what overall rating a show actually got or really even paid much attention to the votes. So really whatever, people can assign as much meaning to it and whatever curve to it that they feel is right for them. I feel like the averages tell a decent story of how FAN felt on the show usually, but in the end yes it's a post-show discussion with what people thought the most. It's a small microcosm of wrestling fandom opinion, it's a fun little thing I've liked cataloguing.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 5, 2022 22:41:25 GMT -5
I will say this as well, with the Pillman/Black match AEW fell again into a normal trap of having a squash go way too long Even then it only went what five minutes including PNP? Pillman's not a total goober so it makes sense, but he still got killed Looks like The Blondes are done on Dynamite for a bit after that anyway, Pillman needs a reset anyway I feel. yes in the grand scheme of things it wasnt long but still felt too long
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 22:42:49 GMT -5
Have you played any of the recent TEW games? That’s kind of the scale I use to rate the shows. So the main event matches factor higher into the rating than the undercard matches. On this show, I give the opener a 10. That was 30 minutes of the show, and one of the clear main events. I also give the Punk/MJF promo segment a 10. I give the main event a 9 and Black/Pillman a 7. So even though I give the Wardlow squash a 3 and the Jade/Ruby match like a 5, I still give the show as a whole a 9 because the more “important” segments were so good in my eyes. I agree that certain segments should carry more weight than others. I couldn't even tell you what else took place on that Dallas Raw besides the Foley/HHH segment setting up the stips for No Way Out, the Radicals turn, the Rock promo, and the 10-man main event and aftermath, but it doesn't matter. On the other hand, I don't recall anything particularly *bad* happening on that show and some outright bad stuff happened tonight--quite a bit of it, in fact. That's where we get into differences of opinion, but if too much stands out as bad it should make a tangible difference. Oh yeah, these ratings threads are an exercise in subjectivity for sure. I was just explaining my personal rating system, because my ratings for AEW shows do trend high and don’t always reflect my criticisms of every single segment of the show.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 5, 2022 22:43:26 GMT -5
Sometimes a match can be so good that the rest of the card can be an hour of two guys having a farting contest and it doesn't really take away from how enjoyable the show is because of that one match.
Hangman vs. Danielson II was one of those kinds of matches for me. The only match I didn't really like was Pillman vs. Black. Wardlow vs. Jobber guy was what it was and while the result disappointed me, I was into the Ruby vs. Jade match itself. All of those would've stuck out more if the beginning and end weren't so damned good, but that's not what happened.
If some joykill wants to take umbrage with that, I don't really care.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 5, 2022 22:47:11 GMT -5
Tony Khan turns into Vince McMahon when it comes to booking the women. The women's booking has serious issues, mostly with a lack of angles, but after the Queen of the Ring tournament, in what universe? WWE hasn't done right by their women in any meaningful way in months. They kind of wish they were just this misused. The way he books Jade and Britt is totally a Vince move. Pushing his favorite over much more ready women. They still don’t get enough screentime. Even poor Ruby having to lose yet more title matches for no good reason, etc. Maybe I was being hyperbolic, but tonight showed TK still had a lot of work to do in this area.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 5, 2022 22:47:39 GMT -5
I do kind of agree with the point on ratings, but that's less a slight against anyone here and more against a ten point rating scale in general. I personally try to treat 5 as a baseline - thus even in giving this a 4 it's not like I'm saying the entire thing was a dumpster fire - but I also know a lot of people do 7 or 8 as the same, or even treat 10 as the baseline and subtract points for things they especially dislike. It's a pretty useless rating system but that's more of an indictment of the rating system itself because the whole concept of it is very nebulous. But not like these threads mean shit anyway, kind of just a way to talk about feelings on the show after the fact, so it doesn't really matter anyway. I can't remember the last time I even actually looked to see what overall rating a show actually got or really even paid much attention to the votes. So really whatever, people can assign as much meaning to it and whatever curve to it that they feel is right for them. I get what you’re saying. I’ll admit to rating shows really highly, based purely on emotion and love for the show. I do tend to kind of block out the bad parts of shows and concentrate on the good to great, because I’m more happy than not when watching a show. I probably could use a bit of critic in me. I’d rate still all the shows I’ve rated high, because I truly believe AEW has never had a truly dismal show, least not as bad as normal Raws. But I probably could use a more critical eye sometimes.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2022 22:53:06 GMT -5
Yeah, ratings systems are just for shits and giggles and a way to discuss the show. I usually treat 6 as like a baseline, but that's mostly since I feel like there are more flavors of bad than good.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 5, 2022 22:54:57 GMT -5
Hard one to rate. The opener into Punk/MJF was some of the best wrestling television ever. Really rough points. I’m a huge Jade fan but that match was tough. Pillman is dreadful. Main event helped pick up steam...all things consider 8/10. Obviously anyone can rate the show however they want, but these "lots of really rough points and dreadful stuff, 8/10" posts crack me up. What's the point of having a 10-point scale when the show is seemingly rated only on a scale of 7-10? Edit: Just to re-emphasize...if someone truly thinks the show is an 8, that's one thing. I'm talking about multiple posts where people call out half of the segments on the show and still give it a 9. To me, a 10-point episode of TV is an all-time classic that will be talked about as a specific episode for years. Stuff like the Dallas Raw in 2000, or even the Dynamite from a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean every segment has to be gold, but you have to walk away thinking of a lot more good than bad. Because to me, it depends on how the whole show makes me feel. I can take a few rough segments if those around it are awesome. There's also a sliding scale of bad wrestling. If the Lambert and Brandi promo from last week was on this one, the show would have received a lower score because that just left such a bad taste in my mouth. The 'bad' segments this week were, IMO, average to pointless, but not offensively bad so despite a couple of segments not hitting for me, my overall feeling is that I thoroughly enjoyed the show.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 5, 2022 23:17:45 GMT -5
Hard one to rate. The opener into Punk/MJF was some of the best wrestling television ever. Really rough points. I’m a huge Jade fan but that match was tough. Pillman is dreadful. Main event helped pick up steam...all things consider 8/10. Obviously anyone can rate the show however they want, but these "lots of really rough points and dreadful stuff, 8/10" posts crack me up. What's the point of having a 10-point scale when the show is seemingly rated only on a scale of 7-10? Edit: Just to re-emphasize...if someone truly thinks the show is an 8, that's one thing. I'm talking about multiple posts where people call out half of the segments on the show and still give it a 9. To me, a 10-point episode of TV is an all-time classic that will be talked about as a specific episode for years. Stuff like the Dallas Raw in 2000, or even the Dynamite from a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean every segment has to be gold, but you have to walk away thinking of a lot more good than bad. Why did you just ignore the part where I called nearly half the show some of the best wrestling television ever. That may give a hint to my 8 rating
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 6, 2022 0:07:11 GMT -5
I do kind of agree with the point on ratings, but that's less a slight against anyone here and more against a ten point rating scale in general. I personally try to treat 5 as a baseline - thus even in giving this a 4 it's not like I'm saying the entire thing was a dumpster fire - but I also know a lot of people do 7 or 8 as the same, or even treat 10 as the baseline and subtract points for things they especially dislike. It's a pretty useless rating system but that's more of an indictment of the rating system itself because the whole concept of it is very nebulous. But not like these threads mean shit anyway, kind of just a way to talk about feelings on the show after the fact, so it doesn't really matter anyway. I can't remember the last time I even actually looked to see what overall rating a show actually got or really even paid much attention to the votes. So really whatever, people can assign as much meaning to it and whatever curve to it that they feel is right for them. this is probably just me andit leaves less room for error liek just for example I I know it's probably weird how i process something like this but I always feel with a 5 point scale If I see something with a 3 out of 5 or even 2.5 out of 5 i'm more likely to go ew, vs a 5 or 6 out of 10 even if they're exactly the same in terms of where they are in the ratings
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 6, 2022 0:11:16 GMT -5
All the women talent, and the two champions are Britt and Jade. Not exactly highlighting the division to the fullest there.
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Post by deezy on Jan 6, 2022 0:18:35 GMT -5
I will say this as well, with the Pillman/Black match AEW fell again into a normal trap of having a squash go way too long Pillman in general feels like someone whose entire existence should be getting squashed on Dark and instead he pretty routinely gets matches and angles on Dynamite. I find it baffling because guy's just... really, really lame. Only thing he has going for him is his last name. Dude is awful.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 6, 2022 3:58:06 GMT -5
This show was a tale of two halves and some of AEW's booking tropes are starting to show its ugly head. Great first two segments with everything slowly dipping. Main event started out great but Fenix's injury really dampened things. 6/10 for me
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