petef3
Don Corleone
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Post by petef3 on Jan 16, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -5
Sting is in, though I personally agree with Dave. The more you look at his case, the less you see. Every argument in his favor seems to be, "Why is he NOT in?!" Which isn't a case at all.
It sure seems like Sarge is "The Man" on those Mid-Atlantic TVs on the Network. He's far and away the best day-in, day-out thing about the promotion in 1982-83 from both an in-ring and character-work standpoint.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 16, 2022 15:11:43 GMT -5
Sting is in, though I personally agree with Dave. The more you look at his case, the less you see. Every argument in his favor seems to be, "Why is he NOT in?!" Which isn't a case at all. I can understand if ALL he had going for him was the NWO/Hogan storyline. Like I can see Goldberg not getting into the WON HOF despite being one of the most popular wrestlers ever at his peak simply because that peak was so short lived but even outside of 96-98 Sting done enough that surely it all adds up to a Hall of Fame career. NWA/WCW was the second biggest promotion in the history of American wrestling and he was responsible for their biggest match/show ever as well as being their top babyface for over a decade. Classic matches with Flair/Vader/Muta/Cactus/Steiners. The biggest star of the past 20 years John Cena says Sting was his guy growing up. Popularity, great matches and influence. Those are supposed to be the 3 key things for the WON HOF and Sting has them all. Looking it up and Chris Jericho for instance got in in 2010, years before Sting. I don't see an argument for Jericho at the time getting into a wrestling hall of fame before Sting. This was over a decade ago mind you so we weren't even taking into account his recent AEW/NJPW stuff, his last WWE re-invention with The List, the Owens stuff, etc. Jericho was a midcarder in ECW, WCW, most of his WWE run and the main event runs he did have in WWE didn't draw well, he was a very good wrestler but not in the truly elite level ala Flair/Bret/Michaels/Benoit to the point he had a laundry list of classic matches to pull him way ahead of someone like Sting who was a bigger star at his peak.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 17, 2022 8:17:22 GMT -5
It’s simple, because Pro Wrestlers (unlike most other sports), very rarely truly fully “retire.” Jerry Lawler for example is STILL wrestling. As is Negro Cases into his 60’s. Terry Funk has retired and comeback more times that Big Show heel and face turns. Also Dave believes that the best time to evaluate a wrestlers impact is shortly after their era. So simply, you have to set a baseline for when it’s acceptable to start looking at wrestlers career. You don’t often have the same luxury to wait until a wrestler retires because that very well might never truly come. okay then so maybe tweak it to say a wrestler is only eligible five years(to use the pro football hall of fame) after you stop being a FULL TIME active wrestler. I’d be okay with something like that. The one that brought it to a head for me was Kenny omega getting in. I mean he’s got years left in his career hopefully as he got in for a small sample size when in reality his post induction career may be many times stronger than what got him in.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 17, 2022 20:39:32 GMT -5
It’s simple, because Pro Wrestlers (unlike most other sports), very rarely truly fully “retire.” Jerry Lawler for example is STILL wrestling. As is Negro Cases into his 60’s. Terry Funk has retired and comeback more times that Big Show heel and face turns. Also Dave believes that the best time to evaluate a wrestlers impact is shortly after their era. So simply, you have to set a baseline for when it’s acceptable to start looking at wrestlers career. You don’t often have the same luxury to wait until a wrestler retires because that very well might never truly come. okay then so maybe tweak it to say a wrestler is only eligible five years(to use the pro football hall of fame) after you stop being a FULL TIME active wrestler. I’d be okay with something like that. The one that brought it to a head for me was Kenny omega getting in. I mean he’s got years left in his career hopefully as he got in for a small sample size when in reality his post induction career may be many times stronger than what got him in. Keep in mind, we’re talking about an industry where it wasn’t that long ago that hitting the age of 50 was a major achievement for a lot of wrestlers. Meltzer’s trying to create a system where you (theoretically) shouldn’t be waiting for a death bump. Eddy Guerrero for example didn’t go in until he died Unless you’re Chris Benoit, once you’ve hit the threshold to get voted in it’s insanely unlikely the rest of your career would be detrimental to the argument that you should be in. Still less then pleased that the WON HOF voters chose to keep Benoit in EDIT: Because, realistically it’s not like Omega or Okada are gonna lead to people sitting around 10 years from now saying “F***, we really shouldn’t have elected him to the HoF”
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 17, 2022 20:46:32 GMT -5
Sting is in, though I personally agree with Dave. The more you look at his case, the less you see. Every argument in his favor seems to be, "Why is he NOT in?!" Which isn't a case at all. I can understand if ALL he had going for him was the NWO/Hogan storyline. Like I can see Goldberg not getting into the WON HOF despite being one of the most popular wrestlers ever at his peak simply because that peak was so short lived but even outside of 96-98 Sting done enough that surely it all adds up to a Hall of Fame career. NWA/WCW was the second biggest promotion in the history of American wrestling and he was responsible for their biggest match/show ever as well as being their top babyface for over a decade. Classic matches with Flair/Vader/Muta/Cactus/Steiners. The biggest star of the past 20 years John Cena says Sting was his guy growing up. Popularity, great matches and influence. Those are supposed to be the 3 key things for the WON HOF and Sting has them all. Looking it up and Chris Jericho for instance got in in 2010, years before Sting. I don't see an argument for Jericho at the time getting into a wrestling hall of fame before Sting. This was over a decade ago mind you so we weren't even taking into account his recent AEW/NJPW stuff, his last WWE re-invention with The List, the Owens stuff, etc. Jericho was a midcarder in ECW, WCW, most of his WWE run and the main event runs he did have in WWE didn't draw well, he was a very good wrestler but not in the truly elite level ala Flair/Bret/Michaels/Benoit to the point he had a laundry list of classic matches to pull him way ahead of someone like Sting who was a bigger star at his peak. The ONLY a case against Sting would be that he wasn’t the greatest draw. But other than that, considering how f***ing over he was in the late 80s all the way to 2001 in WCW, the second biggest company in North America. He’s one of the defining wrestlers of the 90s. Really helped TNA for a long time as well. So Sting not being in the hall of fame for so long seems insane.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Jan 17, 2022 21:13:53 GMT -5
Putting wrestlers on the ballet that are still in their prime is assine. Imagine the MLB putting Mike trout or mookis Betts on the ballet this year
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 17, 2022 21:27:48 GMT -5
The issue with Sting in my eyes was every time he was put on top, it never lasted that long or went particularly well. Was it always his fault? Of course not. But him building up to that Hogan match and then just joining the nWo six months later pretty much summed up his career. He would get hot and then fade. Never drew that much outside that one match. Never had the best matches. Just was a guy always around the main event for years who was always over. A guy good in a lot of categories but great in a few. I would vote for him but I get why it took him a while. He reminds me a lot of Derek Jeter. A clear cut HOFer but if you look closely at things, it's not as obvious as it seemed at first (don't get mad, Jeter is clearly a HOFer, just not an all time great).
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 18, 2022 13:12:06 GMT -5
I never understood Dave's argument that Ole & Gene Anderson didn't belong because they never really left the Carolinas or Georgia.
Ole himself replied, "We never had to."
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asuka007
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 18, 2022 13:13:51 GMT -5
Is Sting in yet? I remember on the Observer board a few years ago Meltzer saying Sting didn't have a good enough argument to get in which seemed insane to me. Yes, Sting got in a couple of years ago.
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