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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 22, 2022 10:43:58 GMT -5
I don’t wish to speculate why…but I have no idea what to think. Maybe it had something to do with the tweets, but Lio also said he and Tony were now cool. Either Lio lied or they are cool, just parting mutually. With Lio’s history, you never really know.
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Post by pinja on Jan 22, 2022 10:48:59 GMT -5
This is tough given the situation. Lio's got to be notorious for picking fights with people in higher positions, seemingly without trying to get a lobby first, some kind of backup. I've never seen Lio's coworkers having his back in any of his past situations or do I misremember? Even if he's in the right, he's destroying economically stable bases for himself and his family. I can't applaud him for that, just because he shouldn't need to fight everybody's fight and end up a martyr at best. Wether any of this is good for him or only for those he stood up for, remains to be seen. The optics are awful anyway.
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Post by Facetious on Jan 22, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I had a feeling this was coming. It's a damn shame because he's super talented, but I won't shame a man for staying true to himself.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 22, 2022 10:53:11 GMT -5
Sorry, can somebody explain to me why we can’t speculate on this? WWE and Vince are raked across the coals for the smallest things and biggest things and people always publicly speculate the worst case scenarios. Which is fine. But in a situation like this where the owner has personally outed himself as a bit of an asshole to some of the Black wrestlers, why is this a speculation-free zone?? It makes me very uncomfortable that threads are being locked so discussion can’t be had, as though this is some sort of taboo subject. It’s very serious.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 22, 2022 10:56:08 GMT -5
And nothing of value was lost
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 22, 2022 10:59:01 GMT -5
Sorry, can somebody explain to me why we can’t speculate on this? WWE and Vince are raked across the coals for the smallest things and biggest things and people always publicly speculate the worst case scenarios. Which is fine. But in a situation like this where the owner has personally outed himself as a bit of an asshole to some of the Black wrestlers, why is this a speculation-free zone?? It makes me very comfortable that threads are being locked so discussion can’t be had, as though this is some sort of taboo subject. It’s very serious. I have to agree with this. We're allowed to speculate on a lot of stuff about WWE without sources and this shouldn't be off the table. TK has proven to be a thin skinned bellend and it wouldn't shock me if he chose not to renew Lios contract out of spite. The optics doesn't look well
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 22, 2022 11:00:02 GMT -5
I don’t wish to speculate why…but I have no idea what to think. Maybe it had something to do with the tweets, but Lio also said he and Tony were now cool. Either Lio lied or they are cool, just parting mutually. With Lio’s history, you never really know. The timing is suspicious for sure. Unless Lio or AEW come out and confirm all we got is speculation. Could be due to the Swole situation. Could also be something like Lio just having a bunch of projects and not wanting to commit to anything
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2022 11:01:14 GMT -5
I do have to wonder. It could be the tweets thing, but then again, Lio's also had short-lived runs elsewhere. I don't know if he wants to be tied down anywhere long.
Note the phrasing. He says his deal will expire, which suggests he had a certain agreed upon time and didn't want to renew, or AEW just opted not to renew. It wouldn't be the first time AEW went that route.
I really liked what he did in AEW, and I know they had wanted him for a while. I won't lie and say I think he's an enormous loss, since he hadn't really become a fixture or anything, but he is a loss nonetheless.
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Post by markymark on Jan 22, 2022 11:04:40 GMT -5
Sorry, can somebody explain to me why we can’t speculate on this? WWE and Vince are raked across the coals for the smallest things and biggest things and people always publicly speculate the worst case scenarios. Which is fine. But in a situation like this where the owner has personally outed himself as a bit of an asshole to some of the Black wrestlers, why is this a speculation-free zone?? It makes me very uncomfortable that threads are being locked so discussion can’t be had, as though this is some sort of taboo subject. It’s very serious.
If its a case of Lio wanting to leave and got rejected then it wouldve been Ali all over again.
I don’t wish to speculate why…but I have no idea what to think. Maybe it had something to do with the tweets, but Lio also said he and Tony were now cool. Either Lio lied or they are cool, just parting mutually. With Lio’s history, you never really know. The timing is suspicious for sure. Unless Lio or AEW come out and confirm all we got is speculation. Could be due to the Swole situation. Could also be something like Lio just having a bunch of projects and not wanting to commit to anything
I can see Lio heading to Impact next month
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Post by eJm on Jan 22, 2022 11:06:11 GMT -5
Ok, I'm sorry for how I responded. It's been a rough few weeks and I lashed out at the wrong people. I thought I was over it but I guess I wasn't.
All I am asking, and I don't think it's unreasonable, let's not be idiots here, yeah?
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 22, 2022 11:06:37 GMT -5
The justification being given for the Swole thread being locked was that the topic was resolved when it most definitely was not. Khan never ended up addressing the matter, which left it open ended. If Khan publicly apologized and everyone seemed to publicly accept it, then one could argue the topic has been resolved, but even then, every other tiny thing gets scrutinized endlessly here so I still wouldn’t see the point in locking. There was intelligent discourse going on and people were being educated about something important.
Also, since that thread was locked, Swole commented publicly at least TWICE. That would’ve been the thread to bring it up, but it was locked. And then nobody brought it up because the perception here was that we need to remain silent about it. Anyway, it makes me extremely uncomfortable and it shouldn’t happen. My two cents.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 22, 2022 11:10:13 GMT -5
It must have been a short trial contract. Because I know he debuted at DON last year, not even a full year ago, then retired, then un-retired. I will say, that while the timing does look bad, it doesn’t help Lio doesn’t have the most stable reputation in the world.
That’s the hardest part of this whole thing, the Swole Scandal is still fresh in everyone’s minds, but Leo has a reputation for flaking and shootings himself and his career in the foot. When you combine both of those, it’s hard to giggle exactly what’s going on.
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Post by eJm on Jan 22, 2022 11:12:34 GMT -5
The justification being given for the Swole thread being locked was that the topic was resolved when it most definitely was not. Khan never ended up addressing the matter, which left it open ended. If Khan publicly apologized and everyone seemed to publicly accept it, then one could argue the topic has been resolved, but even then, every other tiny thing gets scrutinized endlessly here so I still wouldn’t see the point in locking. There was intelligent discourse going on and people were being educated about something important. Also, since that thread was locked, Swole commented publicly at least TWICE. That would’ve been the thread to bring it up, but it was locked. And then nobody brought it up because the perception here was that we need to remain silent about it. Anyway, it makes me extremely uncomfortable and it shouldn’t happen. My two cents. I locked the topic because, let's be frank here, if Khan was going to apologize, he'd have done it long before. He'd have done it January 1st. By the time Swole said he wasn't expecting to hear back, there was no reason for the that topic to stay open because from what we know about Tony, he ain't going to apologize randomly in the middle of January when nobody would have cared about the topic. He's not going to do it. If she's addressed it, and I haven't seen it but I'm trying to cut down on my social media usage so I can completely believe she did, what you could have done was DM one of us, myself especially, and we can bring the topic back. Heck, if you wanted to make a general topic about it, you could have made it. Nobody was stopping you, we had an entire women's division thread for a while until it seemed to be going in a different direction. That specific topic, that one I locked, wasn't going to be resolved in the way people wanted it to be. This is the last time I'll talk about it publicly, if you want to talk about it in DM, go ahead but let's move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 11:12:50 GMT -5
My guess is Lio and Tony did hash things out privately, but the overall situation still left a bad taste in Lio's mouth. That, coupled with his seeming desire to not be tied down to one location for too long is what's prompting them to mutually part ways. This is pure speculation on my part but it's the best I can come up with given what Lio's said publicly and how his stints in various feds have gone.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 22, 2022 11:15:16 GMT -5
I hope, genuinely hope fightful or some other source clarifies what happened.
As it stands, this is definitely not a good look for Tony Khan. And may negatively affect how many black wrestlers decide to join AEW.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2022 11:15:23 GMT -5
It must have been a short trial contract. Because I know he debuted at DON last year, not even a full year ago, then retired, then un-retired. I will say, that while the timing does look bad, it doesn’t help Lio doesn’t have the most stable reputation in the world. That’s the hardest part of this whole thing, the Swole Scandal is still fresh in everyone’s minds, but Leo has a reputation for flaking and shootings himself and his career in the foot. When you combine both of those, it’s hard to giggle exactly what’s going on. Yeah, they often do short deals with people before signing them to longer ones, and I think that'd go double for him given the circumstances, like the retirement scare. His stock's higher than it was when he came in, so I figure it's a net gain for him regardless. I just wonder if either side will end up elaborating on if this is related to the tweets or not. I am sort of inclined to think no due to his talk of expiring. That doesn't suggest a release, just, yeah, non-renewal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 11:16:18 GMT -5
That is a shame. He's a great talent. But yeah, the aftermath of this is gonna be ugly.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jan 22, 2022 11:18:12 GMT -5
The justification being given for the Swole thread being locked was that the topic was resolved when it most definitely was not. Khan never ended up addressing the matter, which left it open ended. If Khan publicly apologized and everyone seemed to publicly accept it, then one could argue the topic has been resolved, but even then, every other tiny thing gets scrutinized endlessly here so I still wouldn’t see the point in locking. There was intelligent discourse going on and people were being educated about something important. Also, since that thread was locked, Swole commented publicly at least TWICE. That would’ve been the thread to bring it up, but it was locked. And then nobody brought it up because the perception here was that we need to remain silent about it. Anyway, it makes me extremely uncomfortable and it shouldn’t happen. My two cents. I locked the topic because, let's be frank here, if Khan was going to apologize, he'd have done it long before. He'd have done it January 1st. By the time Swole said he wasn't expecting to hear back, there was no reason for the that topic to stay open because from what we know about Tony, he ain't going to apologize randomly in the middle of January when nobody would have cared about the topic. He's not going to do it. If she's addressed it, and I haven't seen it but I'm trying to cut down on my social media usage so I can completely believe she did, what you could have done was DM one of us, myself especially, and we can bring the topic back. Heck, if you wanted to make a general topic about it, you could have made it. Nobody was stopping you, we had an entire women's division thread for a while until it seemed to be going in a different direction. That specific topic, that one I locked, wasn't going to be resolved in the way people wanted it to be. This is the last time I'll talk about it publicly, if you want to talk about it in DM, go ahead but let's move on. And what I’m saying is that when we’re dealing with a sensitive subject like this and people are venting things that are very important to hear, the discussion is worth keeping open. Because otherwise the optics don’t look good because it looks like you’re suppressing voices at a time where it’s maybe good to let a subject remain open, possibly indefinitely for obvious reasons. If this makes you so uncomfortable, please do not be the moderator for this subject matter moving forward. Thanks.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2022 11:19:50 GMT -5
I hope, genuinely hope fightful or some other source clarifies what happened. As it stands, this is definitely not a good look for Tony Khan. And may negatively affect how many black wrestlers decide to join AEW. Not impossible, true. I'll be frank and say that I think a lot of wrestlers would be inclined to consider it, but not put a lot of weight in the decision making with it, given the other main option is the guy who said the N-word on TV for a bit, and brought back Hogan with little hesitation. It's kind of a rough place to be in, looking for "good" billionaires to work for.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 22, 2022 11:20:23 GMT -5
My guess is Lio and Tony did hash things out privately, but the overall situation still left a bad taste in Lio's mouth. That, coupled with his seeming desire to not be tied down to one location for too long is what's prompting them to mutually part ways. This is pure speculation on my part but it's the best I can come up with given what Lio's said publicly and how his stints in various feds have gone. It could be that AEW isn’t a great fit for him. Basically the whole storyline he was in was really just to elevate Dante Martin and really not him. I don’t really think there was a super great future for him there, as talented as he is, I don’t think he’s a guy who was gonna be a top level player in AEW, or anywhere to be honest. It every well could be that Lio saw that and wants to try his luck elsewhere. And as it was a short contract, it was really a low risk, high reward situation.
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