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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 29, 2022 17:27:56 GMT -5
Lack of Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes disappoints me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 17:53:05 GMT -5
Killing Eve shouldn’t be anywhere near the top 20 IMO. The first series was good but by the end of Series 2 it had gone downhill. Agreed. Also have a lot of thoughts on Line of Duty, Sherlock and Gavin and Stacey being up there
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 29, 2022 19:57:50 GMT -5
I've a good mind to give you a ruddy good punch in the bottom for what you just said!
There's nothing especially shocking here, but I have to say, I absolutely loathe Call The Midwife and find it relentlessly twee and patronising. But then I would expect nothing less of a BBC Sunday evening drama. Its title music will also probably give a generation of children anxiety forever, just as my nerves are still set on edge by the title music from Antiques Roadshow and Heartbeat.
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Post by dav on Jan 29, 2022 20:56:33 GMT -5
... <looks around nervously>... Only Fool's and Horses is overrated! <runs> I mean its fine and honestly has some amazing moments. But it's been raised to this grand pillar of sitcom comedy for over 30 years that I don't think is warranted. It's good. Just not best show ever good and it gets to the top of these kind of lists with consistent regularity. I can understand why it never made it's way across the Atlantic. It's a very specific type of English show, about a certain type of English person in a certain era, that I don't think would have translated well overseas, whereas Red Dwarf, Blackadder and Monty Pythons loonier aspects makes it more universal. Also what was the weird drama prequel they did where they explore Rodney's actual bio dad? I love OFAH but it’s not as good as other British sitcoms. The big issue with it here is that it’s always on. The channel Gold seems to have them on an infinite loop of repeats and I’ve seen each episode so many times, they start to list their shine. I know, other channels are available and no one is forcing me to watch them but it’s over-exposed in general. I also get a bit pissed off by the British public always lavishing praise on David Jason and not Nicholas Lyndhurst. Not that David Jason isn’t worthy of the praise for his career but a lot of people seem to behave as if OFAF’s success is down to Jason and the writer. The show would never have worked without the cast it had but without a strong straight man role, it would have sunk without trace and Lyndhurst should get the same amount of praise as Jason gets. It's a bit like Morecambe and Wise in that respect. Eric got all the great one-liners and punchlines, while Ernie seems to get overlooked thanks to being the relative straight man of the two. Shame really, as the partnership was fantastically balanced and you needed both for it to work.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 29, 2022 21:57:05 GMT -5
I love OFAH but it’s not as good as other British sitcoms. The big issue with it here is that it’s always on. The channel Gold seems to have them on an infinite loop of repeats and I’ve seen each episode so many times, they start to list their shine. I know, other channels are available and no one is forcing me to watch them but it’s over-exposed in general. I also get a bit pissed off by the British public always lavishing praise on David Jason and not Nicholas Lyndhurst. Not that David Jason isn’t worthy of the praise for his career but a lot of people seem to behave as if OFAF’s success is down to Jason and the writer. The show would never have worked without the cast it had but without a strong straight man role, it would have sunk without trace and Lyndhurst should get the same amount of praise as Jason gets. It's a bit like Morecambe and Wise in that respect. Eric got all the great one-liners and punchlines, while Ernie seems to get overlooked thanks to being the relative straight man of the two. Shame really, as the partnership was fantastically balanced and you needed both for it to work. It’s the way of the straight man. Always has been, always will be. The funny one will be the most beloved and by the very definition of the role, will get the funniest lines and will therefore be remembered more fondly. But without the straight man to set-up the gag, the funny one is nothing. What I do appreciate though, is that the straight man quite often gets the smarter, drier jokes. Which as it’s more like my own sense of humour, I tend to find funnier. If I sat here and listed ten lines in OFAH that consistently make me laugh more, Rodney would probably have delivered more of them than Del.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 22:07:51 GMT -5
Vicar of Dibley I'd also says gets over-ran a lot, though I shouldn't really speak ill of it given it's cast have been dropping like flies lately... Dawn French is going to end up like Ian Lavender, condemned to walk the earth for all time as the sole survivor of their sitcom. Although it never cracked the states OFAH did get a cult following in Eastern Europe I believe.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jan 29, 2022 23:11:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's already been addressed and I haven't seen it, but why isn't "Monty Python's Flying Circus" on the list?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 29, 2022 23:55:48 GMT -5
IDK, OFAH always gives me DX driving a tank vibes where it's treated like a bigger deal than it was. At least Strictly didn't win though. I disagree. Out of all the British sitcoms, OFAH is the one best ingrained in British culture, even today. Del's catchphrases, the yellow van, moments like the chandelier falling or the blow up dolls--everyone knows. I dont think you can say the same for other shows. Possibly Alan Partridge quotes have reached that level too.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 30, 2022 1:14:27 GMT -5
No "Heil Honey, I'm Home?"
CANCEL CULTURE STRIKES AGAIN!
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 30, 2022 1:18:36 GMT -5
Maybe it's already been addressed and I haven't seen it, but why isn't "Monty Python's Flying Circus" on the list? There was an initial choice of fifty shows and I’m pretty sure it was on there. People voted for their top three and they compiled a top twenty based on those votes. No "Heil Honey, I'm Home?" CANCEL CULTURE STRIKES AGAIN! It wasn’t the BBC. (I know you weren’t being serious).
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 30, 2022 2:16:41 GMT -5
Vicar of Dibley I'd also says gets over-ran a lot, though I shouldn't really speak ill of it given it's cast have been dropping like flies lately... Dawn French is going to end up like Ian Lavender, condemned to walk the earth for all time as the sole survivor of their sitcom. Although it never cracked the states OFAH did get a cult following in Eastern Europe I believe. i think it’s only Dawn French and James Fleet left.
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Post by malloc on Jan 30, 2022 10:28:46 GMT -5
Is the Vicar of Dibley any relation to Dwayne Dibley? The crossover I never realised I wanted - shame most of the VoD cast are dead.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 30, 2022 14:39:33 GMT -5
... <looks around nervously>... Only Fool's and Horses is overrated! <runs> I mean its fine and honestly has some amazing moments. But it's been raised to this grand pillar of sitcom comedy for over 30 years that I don't think is warranted. It's good. Just not best show ever good and it gets to the top of these kind of lists with consistent regularity. I can understand why it never made it's way across the Atlantic. It's a very specific type of English show, about a certain type of English person in a certain era, that I don't think would have translated well overseas, whereas Red Dwarf, Blackadder and Monty Pythons loonier aspects makes it more universal. Also what was the weird drama prequel they did where they explore Rodney's actual bio dad? Funnily enough, I was thinking of how it could have crossed the Atlantic earlier this week when I was watching a Youtube retrospective on Sandford and Son, make it a spin off of that. It's taking another classic British sitcom and reworking it, the characters wouldn't be a million miles away so they could conceivably be in the same universe and you have a ton of great scripts that could work with some localising.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 30, 2022 15:19:48 GMT -5
Dawn French is going to end up like Ian Lavender, condemned to walk the earth for all time as the sole survivor of their sitcom. Although it never cracked the states OFAH did get a cult following in Eastern Europe I believe. i think it’s only Dawn French and James Fleet left. Given how things have been, don't jinx us. Protect Dawn at all costs! And I liked VOD regardless of cast survival rate. Roughly on the topic, of sitcoms with a sole survivor (who barely counts), no Are You Being Served? I loved it when I was younger, but can see how it can be seen as not holding up. Brittas Empire was underrated. Ab Fab I can see having megafans and the opposite, but it had the US/UK crossover appeal. Probably too new but I am now biased: Ghosts. It may just be that being one of the shows PBS always ran, but no Keeping Up Appearances?
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 30, 2022 15:21:28 GMT -5
But where is Mrs. Browns Boys?!? In the deepest bowels of hell where it belongs. Well feck.
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Post by msc on Jan 30, 2022 15:24:09 GMT -5
Only Fools could work in the US with a few tweaks but then, its not exactly an obscure trope. At its best, it was hilarious and thoughtful, but the public does remember Del falling through the bar, the one where they got rich and forget the ones which just didn't work.
Delighted Doctor Who was 2nd though. Child me would have never seen it coming in the hiatus years.
I agree with the consensus that Killing Eve losts it way in the 2nd and 3rd series. Yes Minister remains fantastic. And obviously the David Attenborough documentaries are just stunning landmark bits of TV environmental documentation.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 30, 2022 18:57:06 GMT -5
Kind of shocked Are You Being Served? isn't on the list.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 30, 2022 23:15:04 GMT -5
Kind of shocked Are You Being Served? isn't on the list. Well yeah...it was a mainstay Stateside too, on PBS stations. Are they avoiding shows that don't age well, so to say? Does my nostalgia make the show seem better than people really considered it? (Even without the stereotypes and MeTooish mannerisms of Mr. Lucas and Young Mr. Grace, I can see people complain that AYBS? relied on catchphrase crutches and all that.) As I stated before, I am stunned Keeping Up Appearances didn't rate. Ab Fab too as it became a phenomenon both sides of the Atlantic. Or am I just thinking of the shows Americans probably knew/saw the most of? I have fond memories of Coupling, even though it seems that a lot of the Doctor Who fanbase consider Steve Moffat to be a prat. And it should have ended at Series 3, with one special to blow it all off when Richard Coyle WAS available. Was Mr. Bean a BBC show?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 31, 2022 4:00:48 GMT -5
Kind of shocked Are You Being Served? isn't on the list. Well yeah...it was a mainstay Stateside too, on PBS stations. Are they avoiding shows that don't age well, so to say? Does my nostalgia make the show seem better than people really considered it? (Even without the stereotypes and MeTooish mannerisms of Mr. Lucas and Young Mr. Grace, I can see people complain that AYBS? relied on catchphrase crutches and all that.) As I stated before, I am stunned Keeping Up Appearances didn't rate. Ab Fab too as it became a phenomenon both sides of the Atlantic. Or am I just thinking of the shows Americans probably knew/saw the most of? I have fond memories of Coupling, even though it seems that a lot of the Doctor Who fanbase consider Steve Moffat to be a prat. And it should have ended at Series 3, with one special to blow it all off when Richard Coyle WAS available. Was Mr. Bean a BBC show? Mr Bean was ITV, the other big broadcaster. Are You Being Served, yeah that's aged like a fine milk, rarely see that now, same with Till Death do us Part, which All in The Family was based off of. So not surprised by those going, they'll have dropped a bit in the public conciousness. Ab Fab I'm surprised by, that was huge in the 90s, and is quirky enough you wouldn't think it'd be forgotten once the era's over. There's another sitcom, Men Behaving Badly which was as big as Friends here, but it's so 90s that the second it went of air it just kind of went away even though all the actors do a lot of work to this day.
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Post by thechase on Jan 31, 2022 4:11:01 GMT -5
Well yeah...it was a mainstay Stateside too, on PBS stations. Are they avoiding shows that don't age well, so to say? Does my nostalgia make the show seem better than people really considered it? (Even without the stereotypes and MeTooish mannerisms of Mr. Lucas and Young Mr. Grace, I can see people complain that AYBS? relied on catchphrase crutches and all that.) As I stated before, I am stunned Keeping Up Appearances didn't rate. Ab Fab too as it became a phenomenon both sides of the Atlantic. Or am I just thinking of the shows Americans probably knew/saw the most of? I have fond memories of Coupling, even though it seems that a lot of the Doctor Who fanbase consider Steve Moffat to be a prat. And it should have ended at Series 3, with one special to blow it all off when Richard Coyle WAS available. Was Mr. Bean a BBC show? Mr Bean was ITV, the other big broadcaster. Are You Being Served, yeah that's aged like a fine milk, rarely see that now, same with Till Death do us Part, which All in The Family was based off of. So not surprised by those going, they'll have dropped a bit in the public conciousness. Ab Fab I'm surprised by, that was huge in the 90s, and is quirky enough you wouldn't think it'd be forgotten once the era's over. There's another sitcom, Men Behaving Badly which was as big as Friends here, but it's so 90s that the second it went of air it just kind of went away even though all the actors do a lot of work to this day.The creator of Men Behaving Badly also wrote one of the best modern Doctor Who episodes in 'Amy's Choice'
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