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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 31, 2022 14:56:56 GMT -5
I gotta go with Seth. Seth’s heel turn made him a star and indirectly made Roman and Dean stars as well and impacts are still being felt 8 years later, while with HBK he was made a star but Jannety floundered
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 31, 2022 14:58:12 GMT -5
I don't understand, HBK didn't turn on Jannety, Jannety jumped out the barbershop window in an act of Cowardism.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:26 GMT -5
Seth's was unexpected. HBK's turn had hints. Seth's made 3 stars. HBK's made 1 star as Marty was trash.
Seth's for me.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:27 GMT -5
Where is "Viscera turning on Lillian"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 15:05:28 GMT -5
Neither holds a candle to that time Big Show turned heel.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 31, 2022 15:11:47 GMT -5
The Shield break-up was more immediately impactful. Overnight Rollins became the top heel in the company and Raw was completely built around him, Roman was the de-facto top face with Cena's full-time days winding down and all 3 became world champions and/or main evented Wrestlemania within a year or two.
It took Shawn 4 years after the barbershop segment to become a world champion and full time main eventer.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 31, 2022 15:13:00 GMT -5
The Shield break-up was more immediately impactful. Overnight Rollins became the top heel in the company and Raw was completely built around him, Roman was the de-facto top face with Cena's full-time days winding down and all 3 became world champions and/or main evented Wrestlemania within a year or two. It took Shawn 4 years after the barbershop segment to become a world champion and full time main eventer. the defacto face was actually kinda Dean... since he was the one that actually went after Seth for it... and the crowd was way more behind him >_> |
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Post by john84 on Jan 31, 2022 15:46:44 GMT -5
Definitely Seth. As has been said his heel turn made 3 stars and was more unexpected (I was honestly waiting for it to be Reigns to start of as a heel at that point) whereas Shawn's was hinted at and only really made Shawn as a star.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 31, 2022 17:17:53 GMT -5
The Shield was also a much more dominant force than The Rockers. Seth dismantling The Shield and joining The Authority shifted the balance of power back to The Authority after their crushing defeat at Mania 30 and the destruction of Evolution (at the hands of The Shield)
The Rockers were just a middle of the road tag team in 1991. Not even close to being a threat to LOD or the Natural Disasters, let alone the roster at large.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 31, 2022 17:29:19 GMT -5
I don't understand, HBK didn't turn on Jannety, Jannety jumped out the barbershop window in an act of Cowardism.  ARE YOU BLIND?! |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 31, 2022 18:41:49 GMT -5
The Shield was also a much more dominant force than The Rockers. Seth dismantling The Shield and joining The Authority shifted the balance of power back to The Authority after their crushing defeat at Mania 30 and the destruction of Evolution (at the hands of The Shield) The Rockers were just a middle of the road tag team in 1991. Not even close to being a threat to LOD or the Natural Disasters, let alone the roster at large. Yeah, it's kinda apples and oranges here. The Rockers turn setup for Shawn to become HBK and one of the best to ever do it. But that wasn't an automatic transition. He had to spend time being built up to get to that peak. The Shield were already main event talents. They destroyed like everyone on the roster together including THE heel team. So them breaking up lead to all three being main eventers immediately. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 31, 2022 18:53:20 GMT -5
Seth. Because after years of the breakup, Mox saw they would never push him at Roman's level. So he dipped.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on Feb 1, 2022 0:00:21 GMT -5
Neither holds a candle to that time Big Show turned heel. Or the time Big Show turned face. |
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Post by fw91 on Feb 1, 2022 0:02:26 GMT -5
I don't understand, HBK didn't turn on Jannety, Jannety jumped out the barbershop window in an act of Cowardism. Never gets old |
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Post by welshpenguin on Feb 1, 2022 3:58:05 GMT -5
I seriously can’t choose. It’s hard to describe just how much a big of a deal it was at the time for the Rockers to split up & it gave us hbk. But the Shield breakup was huge as well & it gave us solo Reigns, Rollins & Ambrose, so can we have another option of both please 😀
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 1, 2022 6:51:40 GMT -5
Steve Austin because the business never fully recovered
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 1, 2022 7:33:53 GMT -5
Steve Austin because the business never fully recovered Andre because it led to the biggest match in WWF history, and their match on television did 33 million viewers. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 1, 2022 7:52:57 GMT -5
HBK.
Seth is part of a system that already works. HBK was part of the innovation of that system.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 1, 2022 12:12:32 GMT -5
Rikishi. He did it for The Rock. He did it for The People.
Seth and HBK did it for themselves.
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Post by Evil Homer on Feb 1, 2022 16:11:11 GMT -5
Kevin Owens , when he turned heel on Jericho - when he and Jericho were already heels
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