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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 21, 2022 11:39:54 GMT -5
I'm less tired of Brock, but I wasn't a huge fan of how the EC was booked. If people are really unhappy now, wait until Roman beats Brock at Mania and they're spinning their wheels until Hollywood. I genuinely have no idea what they'll do with Roman after Mania except maybe Drew? Could see that at SummerSlam, I guess. But he's run through everyone now. It's Rock Well, yeah. But that won't be till 2023. My point's that they're going to have to sacrifice another few big stars at the altar of Roman this year. Big E? Drew? There aren't many left.
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Post by khali on Feb 21, 2022 12:49:43 GMT -5
Easily Roman. He’s never been more uninteresting to me. Bell to bell, I guess his matches are good. But I don’t enjoy a match nearly as much when I know the result is a foregone conclusion. His reign is utterly lacking in any drama when he wrestles. Last year’s Mania was the last time I got really invested in a Reigns match, because I felt that maybe there was a chance he’d lose the title on the big show then. But why should I get into his random B show opponent? They’re going to wrestle like 25 minutes, there will be a long chinlock, and eventually he’ll win.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2022 12:53:45 GMT -5
As a performer, Brock unless it's a match he specifically wants to do, like versus Balor, where he breaks his formula.
I'm more tired of Roman's, well, Reign, but I do find him as a character to at least be a little compelling. Emphasis on "little", I do think there's some mileage in him. Just, when you have no one plausibly situated to beat him, it is the dirt worst.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 20:14:05 GMT -5
Roman, easily.
Brock is a pain in the ass because he's the same damn match and is predictable, but at least Brock is doing something new and different. Whereas Roman has long since lost the freshness that the heel turn gave him, and Roman is set up in such a way that nobody is even allowed to breathe on him, let alone get a victory.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 21, 2022 20:18:16 GMT -5
It has to be Roman. Even if you take the worst aspects of the typical Brock Lesnar's booking cycles, they're almost always done to benefit Roman in some way, so you can never get away from that black hole.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2022 20:38:36 GMT -5
Roman, easily. Brock is a pain in the ass because he's the same damn match and is predictable, but at least Brock is doing something new and different. Whereas Roman has long since lost the freshness that the heel turn gave him, and Roman is set up in such a way that nobody is even allowed to breathe on him, let alone get a victory. and people talk like there's no one on his level to beat him. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY PURPOSELY CUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OFF AT THE KNEES. Cesaro, Balor, Owens... all 3 of them the crowd were 100% behind them beating Roman... even if you didn't want them to be the end game... both the roster and ROMAN would be in a hell of a better place if they won it for like a Luger month long run.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 20:41:52 GMT -5
Roman, easily. Brock is a pain in the ass because he's the same damn match and is predictable, but at least Brock is doing something new and different. Whereas Roman has long since lost the freshness that the heel turn gave him, and Roman is set up in such a way that nobody is even allowed to breathe on him, let alone get a victory. and people talk like there's no one on his level to beat him. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY PURPOSELY CUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OFF AT THE KNEES. Cesaro, Balor, Owens... all 3 of them the crowd were 100% behind them beating Roman... even if you didn't want them to be the end game... both the roster and ROMAN would be in a hell of a better place if they won it for like a Luger month long run. You know... I seriously was thinking Big E was going to be the guy. The guy to finally take out Roman Reigns and be established as the top banana in all of WWE. What a f***ing idiot I was for having hope.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 21, 2022 20:53:49 GMT -5
Well, yeah. But that won't be till 2023. My point's that they're going to have to sacrifice another few big stars at the altar of Roman this year. Big E? Drew? There aren't many left. They have the MitB cash in to take the WWE title off him. There is also Lashley when he returns from injury, and I'm sure WWE can do another match with Edge and also reheat Rollins for a PPV or two.
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 21, 2022 22:47:23 GMT -5
I'm not tired of either of them. I'm tired of the crappy booking and one-note stories that have them circling the drain for months on end.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 22, 2022 7:24:15 GMT -5
Roman. He's a lot of the bad stuff that Lesnar was during his final boss stuff except he's on TV *every week* and has run train on the entire roster, except for Brock and that's coming in 6 weeks
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2022 7:28:46 GMT -5
I'm less tired of Brock, but I wasn't a huge fan of how the EC was booked. If people are really unhappy now, wait until Roman beats Brock at Mania and they're spinning their wheels until Hollywood. I genuinely have no idea what they'll do with Roman after Mania except maybe Drew? Could see that at SummerSlam, I guess. But he's run through everyone now. Like, even if they suddenly decided to call up Bron Breakker (which would be a bad idea, regardless of how much he's grown in a short amount of time as a performer), that's, what, two potential opponents from now until Hollywood? Lashley maybe when he comes back but considering how definitively Brock beat him before the run-in from Roman...that doesn't seem credible either. I don't think I've ever seen a main event scene in WWE history in so much disarray in terms of next challengers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 7:38:41 GMT -5
When's the last time Roman did a promo nearly as entertaining as Brock's last night? I'm just saying!!
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 22, 2022 9:00:04 GMT -5
roman mostly because he's on tv every week doing the same thing over and over. brock at least you get a break from every three or four months for a couple months- plus at least face brock is something they never really did before so it has some freshness factor with it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 22, 2022 13:22:28 GMT -5
I'm less tired of Brock, but I wasn't a huge fan of how the EC was booked. If people are really unhappy now, wait until Roman beats Brock at Mania and they're spinning their wheels until Hollywood. I genuinely have no idea what they'll do with Roman after Mania except maybe Drew? Could see that at SummerSlam, I guess. But he's run through everyone now. Like, even if they suddenly decided to call up Bron Breakker (which would be a bad idea, regardless of how much he's grown in a short amount of time as a performer), that's, what, two potential opponents from now until Hollywood? Lashley maybe when he comes back but considering how definitively Brock beat him before the run-in from Roman...that doesn't seem credible either. I don't think I've ever seen a main event scene in WWE history in so much disarray in terms of next challengers. Taking into account Smackdown and Raw, heel Roman still has a bunch of fresh challengers: Drew, Big E, Lashley, Styles, Orton, Rollins, Cody, Riddle, Priest, Mysterio, Sheamus, Nakamura. and there still might be more meat on the bone for one month feuds for Edge, Kofi and Woods.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 22, 2022 13:25:11 GMT -5
Roman and Goldberg’s entrances took longer to finish than the Men’s Chamber match.
That says a lot right there.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 22, 2022 14:49:33 GMT -5
Like, even if they suddenly decided to call up Bron Breakker (which would be a bad idea, regardless of how much he's grown in a short amount of time as a performer), that's, what, two potential opponents from now until Hollywood? Lashley maybe when he comes back but considering how definitively Brock beat him before the run-in from Roman...that doesn't seem credible either. I don't think I've ever seen a main event scene in WWE history in so much disarray in terms of next challengers. Taking into account Smackdown and Raw, heel Roman still has a bunch of fresh challengers: Drew, Big E, Lashley, Styles, Orton, Rollins, Cody, Riddle, Priest, Mysterio, Sheamus, Nakamura. and there still might be more meat on the bone for one month feuds for Edge, Kofi and Woods. Big E and Rey aren't fresh challengers for Roman - Big E was chewed up and spat out by Roman last year and Roman beat Rey in the cell last year. Neither is Seth, though Rollins was awesome in his feud with Roman last month and that program should have continued until 'mania.
Lashley is out with a shoulder injury, Priest has lost almost all of his mojo thanks to struggling with the Judas in his mind, Orton is awful on his own as a face, Nakamura is a choke artist and Riddle has taken almost all of the pins as part of RKBro.
There might be more milage with an Edge program, but not much more. WWE really is running out of credible challengers for Roman.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 22, 2022 15:00:07 GMT -5
Taking into account Smackdown and Raw, heel Roman still has a bunch of fresh challengers: Drew, Big E, Lashley, Styles, Orton, Rollins, Cody, Riddle, Priest, Mysterio, Sheamus, Nakamura. and there still might be more meat on the bone for one month feuds for Edge, Kofi and Woods. Big E and Rey aren't fresh challengers for Roman - Big E was chewed up and spat out by Roman last year and Roman beat Rey in the cell last year. Neither is Seth, though Rollins was awesome in his feud with Roman last month and that program should have continued until 'mania.
Lashley is out with a shoulder injury, Priest has lost almost all of his mojo thanks to struggling with the Judas in his mind, Orton is awful on his own as a face, Nakamura is a choke artist and Riddle has taken almost all of the pins as part of RKBro.
There might be more milage with an Edge program, but not much more. WWE really is running out of credible challengers for Roman.
You’re right about Rey, but I think all of the others are all good for at least a month feud if not more with Roman. There is definitely more mileage with Edge and Rollins in big-time matches. Same with Drew. And there can be a story told there with Big E if they want, as that feud was super quick. Riddle and Nakamura would be more quick challenger of the month type feuds. Orton-Reigns is appealing to me, as we haven’t seen it with a face Orton, though I do imagine he’s turning heel shortly. And Lashley’s injury if 4 months takes us to the middle of the year. We’re talking about getting Roman to next Mania.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 22, 2022 15:07:15 GMT -5
I love both current babyface Brock and heel Roman as talents. I'm just sick of them facing each other. I loved Rock and Austin and I even got tired of them the third time they wrestled at Wrestlemania.
Ideally Brock loses at Wrestlemania then spends the rest of his run in marquee non-title matches. And Roman, well it's pointless even fantasy booking him outside the title picture but the best of the most realistic scenarios to me is him beating Brock at Wrestlemania, dropping one of the titles at the next PPV then dropping the other at Summerslam. Then takes a break for a few months before returning early 2023 to build for the Rock match if that's happening.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Feb 23, 2022 5:20:13 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of either but Brock has been around for 20 years!!! I wish everyone of the OVW class of 2002 would go away and never come back already. Except for Shelton.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 26, 2022 1:58:44 GMT -5
Big E and Rey aren't fresh challengers for Roman - Big E was chewed up and spat out by Roman last year and Roman beat Rey in the cell last year. Neither is Seth, though Rollins was awesome in his feud with Roman last month and that program should have continued until 'mania.
Lashley is out with a shoulder injury, Priest has lost almost all of his mojo thanks to struggling with the Judas in his mind, Orton is awful on his own as a face, Nakamura is a choke artist and Riddle has taken almost all of the pins as part of RKBro.
There might be more milage with an Edge program, but not much more. WWE really is running out of credible challengers for Roman.
You’re right about Rey, but I think all of the others are all good for at least a month feud if not more with Roman. There is definitely more mileage with Edge and Rollins in big-time matches. Same with Drew. And there can be a story told there with Big E if they want, as that feud was super quick. Riddle and Nakamura would be more quick challenger of the month type feuds. Orton-Reigns is appealing to me, as we haven’t seen it with a face Orton, though I do imagine he’s turning heel shortly. And Lashley’s injury if 4 months takes us to the middle of the year. We’re talking about getting Roman to next Mania. Nakamura was beaten by Reigns in November on the Tribute to the Troops special. And given just how many times that Shinsuke has choked, it's hard to take him seriously as a threat to Roman. And it's a similar story with Riddle, him having been the one taking the fall for RKBro throughout most of that teams existance. Orton wrestles the same face or heel, so a match with Roman probably isn't going to be that much different to the feud that they had in 2014. Also given Orton doesn't exactly move the needle as a singles face and the questions about him not phoning the match in, means that he's probably not going to be a good opponent for Roman as a face. Edge/Roman probably only has one or two more matches in it and it's a similar story with Rollins, if they even decide to go back to that well with those two.
It's not just about having challengers, it's about having credible challengers, ones that people can buy seeing as actually having a chance to beat Reigns. And as time goes on, that is going to get harder and harder.
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