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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2022 5:28:03 GMT -5
It was extraordinary. Dude brought actual tears. MJF was an actual theater kid I believe, I am not shocked he can cry on command.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 5:35:55 GMT -5
It was extraordinary. Dude brought actual tears. MJF was an actual theater kid I believe, I am not shocked he can cry on command. That, and not to be dark, but he grew up in a world where Cartman on South Park did a lot to make casual antisemitism a playground staple. I don't doubt he's got plenty of real shit to draw from to get in the mood.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 5:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 24, 2022 6:44:23 GMT -5
It’d seem that the story IS true, if only because I don’t imagine he’d plant the seeds three years in advance. MJF also talked about the ‘pick it up, jewboy’ story in a shoot interview with Starks and Ethan Page. They make sort of a lame joke about it and move on. This was all I ever wanted from the moment Punk interrupted MJF months ago. If MJF is going to be the face of AEW, if he’s going to start a bidding war in 2024, this was what he needed. This is the character evolution I’ve been reading in slash fic but never actually saw much of on Dynamite. He’s no longer a one-note heel. But more than that, he’s actually a pretty good actor? It helps that it all came from a place of truth, of course, but there were tears there. I never see tears in wrrestling, except when someone wins a big match. And then the segment kept on giving. I expected Punk to dismiss MJF. I expected MJF to attack Punk. But it actually ends with MJF whispering ‘it’s true.’ And for all the comparisons to Miz, the crowd likes to cheer the guy when he gives facey promos. To MJF’s credit, he’s such a despicable heel that even when he’s being vulnerable, no one wants to pop for him. There were some scattered boos, a few confused cheers, but it was mostly stunned silence. I sort of really like that. I really hope this isn’t just a cheap swerve for next week. But yeah. MJF is my favorite wrestler right now. That’s the whole proof of why.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 7:09:47 GMT -5
It’d seem that the story IS true, if only because I don’t imagine he’d plant the seeds three years in advance. MJF also talked about the ‘pick it up, jewboy’ story in a shoot interview with Starks and Ethan Page. They make sort of a lame joke about it and move on. This was all I ever wanted from the moment Punk interrupted MJF months ago. If MJF is going to be the face of AEW, if he’s going to start a bidding war in 2024, this was what he needed. This is the character evolution I’ve been reading in slash fic but never actually saw much of on Dynamite. He’s no longer a one-note heel. But more than that, he’s actually a pretty good actor? It helps that it all came from a place of truth, of course, but there were tears there. I never see tears in wrrestling, except when someone wins a big match. And then the segment kept on giving. I expected Punk to dismiss MJF. I expected MJF to attack Punk. But it actually ends with MJF whispering ‘it’s true.’ And for all the comparisons to Miz, the crowd likes to cheer the guy when he gives facey promos. To MJF’s credit, he’s such a despicable heel that even when he’s being vulnerable, no one wants to pop for him. There were some scattered boos, a few confused cheers, but it was mostly stunned silence. I sort of really like that. I really hope this isn’t just a cheap swerve for next week. But yeah. MJF is my favorite wrestler right now. That’s the whole proof of why. I liked it because yeah, like you said, Punk could have really botched this by acting unaffected. Having Punk be disturbed by it was the way to go. Furthermore, it felt like a lot of the audience was palpably uncomfortable and confused, and this is a time where that's 100 percent what they wanted out of this segment. They don't know exactly what game MJF's playing at.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 24, 2022 7:16:50 GMT -5
MJF also talked about the ‘pick it up, jewboy’ story in a shoot interview with Starks and Ethan Page. They make sort of a lame joke about it and move on. This was all I ever wanted from the moment Punk interrupted MJF months ago. If MJF is going to be the face of AEW, if he’s going to start a bidding war in 2024, this was what he needed. This is the character evolution I’ve been reading in slash fic but never actually saw much of on Dynamite. He’s no longer a one-note heel. But more than that, he’s actually a pretty good actor? It helps that it all came from a place of truth, of course, but there were tears there. I never see tears in wrrestling, except when someone wins a big match. And then the segment kept on giving. I expected Punk to dismiss MJF. I expected MJF to attack Punk. But it actually ends with MJF whispering ‘it’s true.’ And for all the comparisons to Miz, the crowd likes to cheer the guy when he gives facey promos. To MJF’s credit, he’s such a despicable heel that even when he’s being vulnerable, no one wants to pop for him. There were some scattered boos, a few confused cheers, but it was mostly stunned silence. I sort of really like that. I really hope this isn’t just a cheap swerve for next week. But yeah. MJF is my favorite wrestler right now. That’s the whole proof of why. I liked it because yeah, like you said, Punk could have really botched this by acting unaffected. Having Punk be disturbed by it was the way to go. Furthermore, it felt like a lot of the audience was palpably uncomfortable and confused, and this is a time where that’s 100 percent what they wanted out of this segment. They don’t know exactly what game MJF’s playing at. I think this is 100% going to have MJF play into Punk’s sympathy at the PPV, perhaps cheaply, but there’s a way you can do that without MJF having a mustache-twirling evil moment that invalidates what he says here. Bringing in learning disabilities and bullying and bigotry and then to go… ‘haha, didn’t mean it!’. That’s the most obvious wrestling storytelling route, which says a lot about wrestling, but I hope for another pleasant swerve in the weeks to come.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 24, 2022 7:26:58 GMT -5
That was a brilliant segment I wouldn't have changed a thing. MJF did his thing
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Feb 24, 2022 7:30:34 GMT -5
I’ve been saying for months MJF should turn face and remain face for next 18 months to fill in his character and to shine him up until you bring back as heel for next 10 years much like what happened with Ric Flair early in his career. Pinnacle doesn’t work. Lots of great talent but not good chemistry. FTR & MJF doesn’t work. Turn MJF face and have Punk turn heel and become the guy who takes Hangman Page’s title (I wanted it to be heel Cody).
Of course this won’t happen..but it seems like a viable storyline in my eyes.
Face MJF for next 18 months would help grow AEW on every metric in my opinion.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 24, 2022 8:09:54 GMT -5
I'm really curious where the turn comes from next week. Will he be a heel because he lied or will he be a heel because he told the truth but is using his own trauma to hurt someone else. I hope it's the latter because that's so much more interesting.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 8:15:12 GMT -5
I'm really curious where the turn comes from next week. Will he be a heel because he lied or will he be a heel because he told the truth but is using his own trauma to hurt someone else. I hope it's the latter because that's so much more interesting. It'd be the latter, I feel. Like, the only part of it I could see him lying about is the timing, that the bullying may not have lined up with when he was going to meet Punk. Most everything else is either seemingly established fact or would be patently obvious, like the whole "I'm better than you" has always had to be intentionally evocative of Punk, surely. He's always been willing to wear some of his influences on his sleeve since he likes to point out how he's further along younger than most of those same idols were.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 24, 2022 8:47:09 GMT -5
Like I said during the live thread, I got Terry Funk vibes. Terry would bring up his Daddy, Dory Sr. in some of his promos that made it so much more real.
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 24, 2022 9:10:41 GMT -5
The icing on the cake was Punk coming out and feeling bad for MJF, really brought it all together.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 24, 2022 9:20:22 GMT -5
The icing on the cake was Punk coming out and feeling bad for MJF, really brought it all together. The easy way they could've done it was just have Punk going off and saying "f*** you, asshole. Stop f***ing lying" in response, but the fact that he seemed moved by MJF's story and questioned if there was truth to it really adds a whole other layer to all this.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2022 10:14:44 GMT -5
The icing on the cake was Punk coming out and feeling bad for MJF, really brought it all together. The easy way they could've done it was just have Punk going off and saying "f*** you, asshole. Stop f***ing lying" in response, but the fact that he seemed moved by MJF's story and questioned if there was truth to it really adds a whole other layer to all this. Punk's reaction got me, but Tony's reaction on commentary got me even further, because he has been DRAGGING MJF for... his entire run? Just about? He HATES him, he is constantly jabbing him and can't stand when he's on screen, and it's great mind you. However, when MJF started hitting home, talking about stuff like ADD effecting his upbringing and Tony talking about how his sons suffered the same thing, that's where you could feel a flip switching. MJF made two of his deepest critics and cynics, flip on him in one segment He kept this bullet in the chamber, and he knows if he goes back on it, he can never use it again. Right now he is controlling the story, something he was not really able to do with Punk up to this point, with one more week to go, and I am thoroughly fascinated at how it develops.
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Post by markymark on Feb 24, 2022 10:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by pinja on Feb 24, 2022 10:29:01 GMT -5
"We got jews in the house?" *slight confused applause mixed with slight confused boos*
Both guys pulled it off perfectly, but the audience made me nervous just by existing. And it seemed like much of the audience was nervous, too. It's somehow the beauty of wrestling and it's grimace.
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Post by ghost on Feb 24, 2022 10:47:04 GMT -5
The icing on the cake was Punk coming out and feeling bad for MJF, really brought it all together. Even better was Tony Schiavone in the beginning of the segment listing all the bad things he hoped would happen to MJF in the dog collar match, only to feel complete sympathy for him by the end of the promo.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 24, 2022 10:50:04 GMT -5
“We got jews in the house?” *slight confused applause mixed with slight confused boos* Both guys pulled it off perfectly, but the audience made me nervous just by existing. And it seemed like much of the audience was nervous, too. It’s somehow the beauty of wrestling and it’s grimace. Yeah, wrestling crowds are rarely ready to receive and respond to real-world issues like that. You have Bryan’s retirement and return as a positive example, but that didn’t touch on any of the things here.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Feb 24, 2022 11:05:02 GMT -5
"We got jews in the house?" *slight confused applause mixed with slight confused boos* Both guys pulled it off perfectly, but the audience made me nervous just by existing. And it seemed like much of the audience was nervous, too. It's somehow the beauty of wrestling and it's grimace. The crowd initially booing MJF and cheering on him getting bullied and then QUICKLY having to do an about face to avoid coming across as abelist and antisemitic got a chuckle out of me. MJF is a master manipulator
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 24, 2022 11:11:11 GMT -5
There were people in my section laughing at first when MJF started his speech. They weren't laughing by the end.
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