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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 27, 2022 1:35:55 GMT -5
It’s two nights, a 16 match card most likely. There will probably be 2 celebrities involved in matches (Paul and Knoxville) and then this rumored Vince match. Out of 16 matches, with none being more than undercard matches. That doesn’t seem like they’re leaning on it too heavily. The Main event contains the biggest part timer they have. instead of building people up to take on Roman... they just threw one of the most overdone matches ever together. I know like 99% of it is the pedestal they're put on, but numbers-wise, this will only be their fifth singles match (sixth if you count the WM31 match that became a triple threat via the Rollins MITB cash-in). They've probably ran Ricochet v Sheamus more times this year alone.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 27, 2022 1:40:00 GMT -5
I’m sure a lot of fans are excited about most of these rumors. Tons of fans love old-timers, part-timers, celebs, etc. That’s a lot of what made Mania special in the first place. And don’t wish 1 night 8 hour Manias upon us again! Exactly, and I don't understand this problem people have with celebrities and part-timer's. Especially this year. People keep harping on these part-timers taking over the show, yet the only part-timer I see is Ronda Rousey, and she's been there mostly every week since the Rumble. The Rock was the quintessential part timer, yet when he beat John Cena in his second match in 8 years, NO ONE had a problem with it. It seems like people one have a problem with WHO the part timer is, not necessarily part-timers themselves. And you have 2 celebrities in Logan Paul and Johhny Knoxville. TWO! And two rumored "matches" that involve with Stone Cold and Vince McMahon. One with probably been either a segment on the KO Show, where Austin will wrestle a bit with Owens and hit the Stunner for the win. Maybe a 5 minute match if anything. The McMahon match will probably be the same, or will probably have Austin Theory replace Vince, sort of like the Battle of the Billionaires. Or maybe Pat cold get someone to wrestle for him as well, maybe even Cody Rhodes. Who knows? If Vince does actually wrestle, I'm pretty sure there will be alot of shenanigans, it won't be like the atrocious Lawler vs. Cole match a few years ago. And I like how people are telling Austin and Vince that they shouldn't wrestle, like they know better than the people themselves. People keep acting like Austin is coming out of retirement, like he'll be wrestling every week on RAW, this'll likely be a one and done special match for the Texas fans, people are acting like Austin's going to be fighting Brock for the WWE Championship at Backlash or something. WrestleMania has always been about the majesty of wrestling and entertainment, mixing a compact "sport," with the glamor of celebrities. All the way back from WrestleMania 1A lot of peoole had issuea with Rock being features over CM Punk And it was a very common critic that the feud didnt need the title
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Post by gnr123 on Feb 27, 2022 1:56:36 GMT -5
Exactly, and I don't understand this problem people have with celebrities and part-timer's. Especially this year. People keep harping on these part-timers taking over the show, yet the only part-timer I see is Ronda Rousey, and she's been there mostly every week since the Rumble. The Rock was the quintessential part timer, yet when he beat John Cena in his second match in 8 years, NO ONE had a problem with it. It seems like people one have a problem with WHO the part timer is, not necessarily part-timers themselves. And you have 2 celebrities in Logan Paul and Johhny Knoxville. TWO! And two rumored "matches" that involve with Stone Cold and Vince McMahon. One with probably been either a segment on the KO Show, where Austin will wrestle a bit with Owens and hit the Stunner for the win. Maybe a 5 minute match if anything. The McMahon match will probably be the same, or will probably have Austin Theory replace Vince, sort of like the Battle of the Billionaires. Or maybe Pat cold get someone to wrestle for him as well, maybe even Cody Rhodes. Who knows? If Vince does actually wrestle, I'm pretty sure there will be alot of shenanigans, it won't be like the atrocious Lawler vs. Cole match a few years ago. And I like how people are telling Austin and Vince that they shouldn't wrestle, like they know better than the people themselves. People keep acting like Austin is coming out of retirement, like he'll be wrestling every week on RAW, this'll likely be a one and done special match for the Texas fans, people are acting like Austin's going to be fighting Brock for the WWE Championship at Backlash or something. WrestleMania has always been about the majesty of wrestling and entertainment, mixing a compact "sport," with the glamor of celebrities. All the way back from WrestleMania 1A lot of peoole had issuea with Rock being features over CM Punk And it was a very common critic that the feud didnt need the title I'm not really talking about the follow up match a WM 29, I'm talking about when The Rock beat John Cena at WrestleMania 28 in his second match in 8 Years, yet people were more mad that Cena beat Brock at Extreme Rules. People weren't mad the a guy who was an actor for nearly a decade beat a guy who was wrestling week-in and week-out for that same time, it was "yeah, f*** the PG Era, Attitude Era Rulez!" But people are mad at Brock being on Raw or Smackdown nearly even week for a few months a year, yet call him a "part-timer."
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Feb 27, 2022 3:21:52 GMT -5
I’m sure a lot of fans are excited about most of these rumors. Tons of fans love old-timers, part-timers, celebs, etc. That’s a lot of what made Mania special in the first place. And don’t wish 1 night 8 hour Manias upon us again! Exactly, and I don't understand this problem people have with celebrities and part-timer's. Especially this year. People keep harping on these part-timers taking over the show, yet the only part-timer I see is Ronda Rousey, and she's been there mostly every week since the Rumble. The Rock was the quintessential part timer, yet when he beat John Cena in his second match in 8 years, NO ONE had a problem with it. It seems like people one have a problem with WHO the part timer is, not necessarily part-timers themselves. And you have 2 celebrities in Logan Paul and Johhny Knoxville. TWO! And two rumored "matches" that involve with Stone Cold and Vince McMahon. One with probably been either a segment on the KO Show, where Austin will wrestle a bit with Owens and hit the Stunner for the win. Maybe a 5 minute match if anything. The McMahon match will probably be the same, or will probably have Austin Theory replace Vince, sort of like the Battle of the Billionaires. Or maybe Pat cold get someone to wrestle for him as well, maybe even Cody Rhodes. Who knows? If Vince does actually wrestle, I'm pretty sure there will be alot of shenanigans, it won't be like the atrocious Lawler vs. Cole match a few years ago. And I like how people are telling Austin and Vince that they shouldn't wrestle, like they know better than the people themselves. People keep acting like Austin is coming out of retirement, like he'll be wrestling every week on RAW, this'll likely be a one and done special match for the Texas fans, people are acting like Austin's going to be fighting Brock for the WWE Championship at Backlash or something. WrestleMania has always been about the majesty of wrestling and entertainment, mixing a compact "sport," with the glamor of celebrities. All the way back from WrestleMania 1And you would be wrong for calling her that she isn't just appearing at the TV tapings she's also appearing at the live events as well. This is something that she brought up in one of her recent gaming streams, in which she mentioned how gruelling her WWE schedule is.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 27, 2022 5:14:01 GMT -5
I'd take all these reports more seriously if they'd come before the announcement that Vince is going on McAfee's show. I don’t know, Meltzer’s not one to outright just say a certain match is scheduled unless it actually is. He caveated it fairly significantly though. It happens a lot (both in wrestling and real sports) that when someone reports something suddenly all the other insiders are lining up to say 'hey, I knew that too'. And in this case it's something none of them had even hinted at 24 hours or so ago. So either people within WWE are desperate to get this out there, or there is a certain amount of jumping on for clicks going on. But regardless, ain't no way a near 80 year old Vince is having a straight up 1 on 1 wrestling match vs an NFL punter.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 27, 2022 6:50:29 GMT -5
My problem with part-timers comes down to if I'm watching a story play out then I would prefer the climax of it (IE, WrestleMania being the season finale of sorts) actually be about the people who've been there the whole time than the once a season guest stars that otherwise are completely irrelevant. And for celebrities, almost uniformly they're people I've never given a f*** about in their respective fields and even if I did, when I watch wrestling I want to watch wrestlers.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 27, 2022 8:37:02 GMT -5
It’s two nights, a 16 match card most likely. There will probably be 2 celebrities involved in matches (Paul and Knoxville) and then this rumored Vince match. Out of 16 matches, with none being more than undercard matches. That doesn’t seem like they’re leaning on it too heavily. The Main event contains the biggest part timer they have. instead of building people up to take on Roman... they just threw one of the most overdone matches ever together. Brock has pretty much been a full-timer for months now.
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 27, 2022 9:17:29 GMT -5
I still think if this happens, it’ll be more Austin Theory wrestling on Vince’s behalf while the latter is at ringside. Yeah I fully expect a Vince promo where he says something along the lines of he’s not going to let these “Filthy Texans” see him get in the ring and then throw Theory in there. (With plenty of shenanigans afoot)
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 27, 2022 9:17:42 GMT -5
Brock is not a full time guy. Admittedly he has worked more during this run than usual. But he’ll take extended time off in between runs. Yet he always gets slotted right back into the title picture when he returns.
There’s another thread on why the SD roster feels so dire. And booking like this is part of the reason why.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 27, 2022 10:10:13 GMT -5
The Main event contains the biggest part timer they have. instead of building people up to take on Roman... they just threw one of the most overdone matches ever together. I know like 99% of it is the pedestal they're put on, but numbers-wise, this will only be their fifth singles match (sixth if you count the WM31 match that became a triple threat via the Rollins MITB cash-in). They've probably ran Ricochet v Sheamus more times this year alone. i think the difference with brock/roman is that the matches are projected so far in advance that you hear about it ad nauseum before the match actually happens, so it seems like they've been fighting forever. ricochet/sheamus is like vince walks backstage during the show and sees them standing there "hey you two, go have a match in five minutes" then the following week vince forgets he just had them fight and does the same thing again.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 27, 2022 13:39:12 GMT -5
I don't mind celebrities at WrestleMania, but I don't want them wrestling. Managers, referees, ring announces, time keepers, sure! But not wrestling.
I don't mind part-timers wrestling ether. Just not at the expense of full-timers. Use the part-timers to put over guys who will be there all the time (and not just Roman, he's already plenty over)
For me, it's not that celebs and part-timers are there, it's just how they're used.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2022 9:43:07 GMT -5
I don't mind celebrities at WrestleMania, but I don't want them wrestling. Managers, referees, ring announces, time keepers, sure! But not wrestling. I don't mind part-timers wrestling ether. Just not at the expense of full-timers. Use the part-timers to put over guys who will be there all the time (and not just Roman, he's already plenty over) For me, it's not that celebs and part-timers are there, it's just how they're used. Celebrity matches at Mania tend to be good and/or entertaining. Mr. T, LT, Mayweather, Bad Bunny. Have there been any celebrity matches at Mania that have stunk the joint out? (not counting Akebono as a celebrity!)
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2022 9:52:09 GMT -5
I haven't read through the whole thread, but Austin Theory with Vince in his corner vs. Pat McAfee would accomplish the same thing as Vince vs. Pat could at this stage. I highly doubt Vince can even safely take a bump at this point.
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2022 9:56:41 GMT -5
I haven't read through the whole thread, but Austin Theory with Vince in his corner vs. Pat McAfee would accomplish the same thing as Vince vs. Pat could at this stage. I highly doubt Vince can even safely take a bump at this point. See, I'm not against that and I hope that's the way it goes but, like...it's not something I can entirely rule out. Dude fell off a balcony and let himself get shoot headbutted in the past 2-3 years.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2022 10:00:12 GMT -5
I haven't read through the whole thread, but Austin Theory with Vince in his corner vs. Pat McAfee would accomplish the same thing as Vince vs. Pat could at this stage. I highly doubt Vince can even safely take a bump at this point. My guess is the idea would be that Vince is more of a “draw” and so they can market Vince vs. McAfee in a street fight and then Theory will take most of the bumps and work a lot of the match. Meltzer said that the match is expected to be all smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2022 10:12:33 GMT -5
I haven't read through the whole thread, but Austin Theory with Vince in his corner vs. Pat McAfee would accomplish the same thing as Vince vs. Pat could at this stage. I highly doubt Vince can even safely take a bump at this point. My guess is the idea would be that Vince is more of a “draw” and so they can market Vince vs. McAfee in a street fight and then Theory will take most of the bumps and work a lot of the match. Meltzer said that the match is expected to be all smoke and mirrors. Right, and I realize some of what they're doing now is booking freak show matches to try and move more tickets, but I genuinely don't think Vince moves tickets at this point. Hell, I'm more worried about Vince being able to move in a match. As brought up above, Vince has done some spots in the last few years, but they were mostly from stationary positions or onto crash pads.
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2022 10:15:32 GMT -5
My guess is the idea would be that Vince is more of a “draw” and so they can market Vince vs. McAfee in a street fight and then Theory will take most of the bumps and work a lot of the match. Meltzer said that the match is expected to be all smoke and mirrors. Right, and I realize some of what they're doing now is booking freak show matches to try and move more tickets, but I genuinely don't think Vince moves tickets at this point. Hell, I'm more worried about Vince being able to move in a match. As brought up above, Vince has done some spots in the last few years, but they were mostly from stationary positions or onto crash pads. Yeah, any bump Vince had viewing wise died really rather quickly so if they're expecting him to be the thing that gets people to travel to Dallas...doesn't seem wise. I'm not even saying it's logical but if Vince feels like he needs to toss himself to get somewhere, nobody is going to stop him.
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 28, 2022 10:20:48 GMT -5
I haven't read through the whole thread, but Austin Theory with Vince in his corner vs. Pat McAfee would accomplish the same thing as Vince vs. Pat could at this stage. I highly doubt Vince can even safely take a bump at this point. The only bump I’m expecting Vince to take is McAffee punting him in the Grapefruits like he’s hanging one up there for 4.6 seconds.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 28, 2022 10:31:26 GMT -5
My guess is the idea would be that Vince is more of a “draw” and so they can market Vince vs. McAfee in a street fight and then Theory will take most of the bumps and work a lot of the match. Meltzer said that the match is expected to be all smoke and mirrors. Right, and I realize some of what they're doing now is booking freak show matches to try and move more tickets, but I genuinely don't think Vince moves tickets at this point. Hell, I'm more worried about Vince being able to move in a match. As brought up above, Vince has done some spots in the last few years, but they were mostly from stationary positions or onto crash pads. Yeah I can’t imagine he’s going to be like running the ropes and taking a bunch of back bumps or anything like that. Probably mostly a brawling type match with a lot of gaga and maybe one overly planned spot for him to take a bump (McAfee putting him through a table or something like that).
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 28, 2022 12:27:08 GMT -5
I don't mind celebrities at WrestleMania, but I don't want them wrestling. Managers, referees, ring announces, time keepers, sure! But not wrestling. I don't mind part-timers wrestling ether. Just not at the expense of full-timers. Use the part-timers to put over guys who will be there all the time (and not just Roman, he's already plenty over) For me, it's not that celebs and part-timers are there, it's just how they're used. Celebrity matches at Mania tend to be good and/or entertaining. Mr. T, LT, Mayweather, Bad Bunny. Have there been any celebrity matches at Mania that have stunk the joint out? (not counting Akebono as a celebrity!) Matches with actual wrestlers could be good or entertaining too, though. Why put an untrained risk in the ring when you can give the space to someone who's been working hard all year and deserves the payday? As much as I hate the guy, Logan Paul's role last year was pretty well done. Be ringside, and then send the crowd home happy by getting your ass kicked. I'd rather that than see him teaming with Miz.
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