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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 15, 2022 11:32:41 GMT -5
That's Dusty, Jim Neidhart and Scott Hall passed away after complications caused by a fall.
Don't know what to say.
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 15, 2022 11:54:37 GMT -5
Sad to hear but he had a good life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 12:23:51 GMT -5
To me, one of the hallmarks of a great worker is the ability to have impactful offense that doesn't actually hurt.
Scott/Razor was among the best at this. Watching that Tanahashi match, he does a top rope back suplex, but he deceptively doesn't lift Tanahashi nearly as high as one would think, and he lets go at just the right time so Tanahashi can sprawl out for his bump. On the Last Call, I noticed he'd always make sure the neck was protected by his arm, too.
And no one can do a Crucifix bomb/Razor's Edge like Scott could. That move genuinely spooks me (especially when you have horseshit versions like the Border Toss), but Scott always did it to where the "thud" came from his knees hitting the mat, not his opponent, who probably didn't feel much of anything.
Basically... Scott Hall was a pro's pro. Dude could work, and as Sean Waltman, Larry Zbysko, and Tanahashi will tell you, was more than willing to put someone over or make them look like a million bucks.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 15, 2022 12:40:59 GMT -5
That's Dusty, Jim Neidhart and Scott Hall passed away after complications caused by a fall. Don't know what to say. If I can reframe this a bit, it's a sign that wrestlers are at least living longer lives than they were in the 2000s. Fall complications, especially with hips, aren't that uncommon for people their age and heights outside of wrestling. Compare that to how many of their coworkers died of heart attacks in their 40s.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Mar 15, 2022 12:44:32 GMT -5
To me, one of the hallmarks of a great worker is the ability to have impactful offense that doesn't actually hurt. Scott/Razor was among the best at this. Watching that Tanahashi match, he does a top rope back suplex, but he deceptively doesn't lift Tanahashi nearly as high as one would think, and he lets go at just the right time so Tanahashi can sprawl out for his bump. On the Last Call, I noticed he'd always make sure the neck was protected by his arm, too. And no one can do a Crucifix bomb/Razor's Edge like Scott could. That move genuinely spooks me (especially when you have horseshit versions like the Border Toss), but Scott always did it to where the "thud" came from his knees hitting the mat, not his opponent, who probably didn't feel much of anything. Basically... Scott Hall was a pro's pro. Dude could work, and as Sean Waltman, Larry Zbysko, and Tanahashi will tell you, was more than willing to put someone over or make them look like a million bucks. Well said. Even though the Razor's Edge was a spectacular looking move, it didn't look like his opponent was in any danger because Hall knew what he was doing and could do the move in a way that both looked good but protected his opponent at the same time. I don't remember a time where Scott Hall did anything in the ring that looked unsafe and put his opponent in jeopardy.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 15, 2022 12:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 15, 2022 13:30:01 GMT -5
To me, one of the hallmarks of a great worker is the ability to have impactful offense that doesn't actually hurt. Scott/Razor was among the best at this. Watching that Tanahashi match, he does a top rope back suplex, but he deceptively doesn't lift Tanahashi nearly as high as one would think, and he lets go at just the right time so Tanahashi can sprawl out for his bump. On the Last Call, I noticed he'd always make sure the neck was protected by his arm, too. And no one can do a Crucifix bomb/Razor's Edge like Scott could. That move genuinely spooks me (especially when you have horseshit versions like the Border Toss), but Scott always did it to where the "thud" came from his knees hitting the mat, not his opponent, who probably didn't feel much of anything. Basically... Scott Hall was a pro's pro. Dude could work, and as Sean Waltman, Larry Zbysko, and Tanahashi will tell you, was more than willing to put someone over or make them look like a million bucks. Well said. Even though the Razor's Edge was a spectacular looking move, it didn't look like his opponent was in any danger because Hall knew what he was doing and could do the move in a way that both looked good but protected his opponent at the same time. I don't remember a time where Scott Hall did anything in the ring that looked unsafe and put his opponent in jeopardy. Is Last Call the fallaway slam? I can't think of any signatures outside of that, the top rope backdrop and the RE.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 15, 2022 13:35:28 GMT -5
Well said. Even though the Razor's Edge was a spectacular looking move, it didn't look like his opponent was in any danger because Hall knew what he was doing and could do the move in a way that both looked good but protected his opponent at the same time. I don't remember a time where Scott Hall did anything in the ring that looked unsafe and put his opponent in jeopardy. Is Last Call the fallaway slam? I can't think of any signatures outside of that, the top rope backdrop and the RE. He favored the abdominal stretch as well.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 15, 2022 13:45:35 GMT -5
Is Last Call the fallaway slam? I can't think of any signatures outside of that, the top rope backdrop and the RE. He favored the abdominal stretch as well. Thank you. I missed that one. Rope assisted if possible, no? EDIT: Wait, no. He'd also grab a leg and stretch it as well. He also had the "punch, punch, spin punch". Damn, I forgot a bunch of stuff.
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Post by nickcave on Mar 15, 2022 13:56:03 GMT -5
Hitting me a lot harder than I thought it would
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 14:12:53 GMT -5
He favored the abdominal stretch as well. Thank you. I missed that one. Rope assisted if possible, no? EDIT: Wait, no. He'd also grab a leg and stretch it as well. He also had the "punch, punch, spin punch". Damn, I forgot a bunch of stuff. Hall had some GREAT looking punches, too. He could throw a punch that he'd open up into a cupped slap at the last second that looked cool as hell. I hate it for his family and friends first and foremost, obviously, but as a wrestling fan it's hard not to feel like we missed out on the second best "wrestling mind from a wrestler's point of view" this side of Jake Roberts if he could have held on just a bit longer.
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Post by msc on Mar 15, 2022 14:22:41 GMT -5
It stunned me as a kid, and still does, that Scott Hall was never in a Royal Rumble match. He even did a promo at the 96 Rumble mentioning it.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 15, 2022 14:23:00 GMT -5
Thank you. I missed that one. Rope assisted if possible, no? EDIT: Wait, no. He'd also grab a leg and stretch it as well. He also had the "punch, punch, spin punch". Damn, I forgot a bunch of stuff. Hall had some GREAT looking punches, too. He could throw a punch that he'd open up into a cupped slap at the last second that looked cool as hell. I hate it for his family and friends first and foremost, obviously, but as a wrestling fan it's hard not to feel like we missed out on the second best "wrestling mind from a wrestler's point of view" this side of Jake Roberts if he could have held on just a bit longer. Could you imagine a company booked by Scott Hall and Jake Roberts?
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 15, 2022 15:11:27 GMT -5
Been watching a lot of Scott Hall promos today. I don't even want to say he's underrated, more that I just forgot how great a promo he was, and it wasn't in a Rock type way where his delivery was top notch (not that it was bad by all means), but more in a way that his words just matched the absolute incredible amount of charisma he had.
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Post by pinja on Mar 15, 2022 15:26:49 GMT -5
To me, one of the hallmarks of a great worker is the ability to have impactful offense that doesn't actually hurt. Scott/Razor was among the best at this. Watching that Tanahashi match, he does a top rope back suplex, but he deceptively doesn't lift Tanahashi nearly as high as one would think, and he lets go at just the right time so Tanahashi can sprawl out for his bump. On the Last Call, I noticed he'd always make sure the neck was protected by his arm, too. And no one can do a Crucifix bomb/Razor's Edge like Scott could. That move genuinely spooks me (especially when you have horseshit versions like the Border Toss), but Scott always did it to where the "thud" came from his knees hitting the mat, not his opponent, who probably didn't feel much of anything. Basically... Scott Hall was a pro's pro. Dude could work, and as Sean Waltman, Larry Zbysko, and Tanahashi will tell you, was more than willing to put someone over or make them look like a million bucks. Oh yes, the Razor's Edge looked spectacularly safe. It being such a great finish came from Scott's taunting prior to it and the visual of his opponent being held so high up in the air. But the bump itself was the flattest of all back bumps. His opponents were more sliding horizontally than falling down, yet it looked like death. It's so rare, maybe even one of a kind to have someone so giving, without seeming like he's selling himself short. Put people over - smirk, slick back hair, heat is back.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 15, 2022 16:13:55 GMT -5
Slam Wrestling has an article by Greg Oliver and it comes off to me like less of a memorial and more of a hit piece. Most of the last part of the article has quotes from books by Jericho, Duggan, Russo and Flair. Flair's quote was probably originally said to kiss Shawn Michaels' butt which puts down Hall in the process and the other three show Hall being difficult to deal with. I wouldn't doubt maybe Oliver had a bad experience with Hall and decided to put out this type of article. If he had died a decade ago, I could maybe see this type of article but not now. And someone on kayfabe memories board has made almost every post in the RIP thread about his belief that years of drug and alcohol abuse led to him not being healthy enough for the surgery to be successful. Greg Oliver can go f*** himself. There’s a time and a goddamn place to discuss the bad parts of a recently deceased person. The next day isn’t it. We all know Scott wasn’t a saint, but we also now know he was suffering from severe PTSD which directly caused the substance problems that made him difficult. Give the man a break while people are still mourning, it’s not like he’s OJ Simpson where you can’t reasonably tell the story while ignore his faults (I grossly understated that last part, I know)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 16:15:33 GMT -5
That's Dusty, Jim Neidhart and Scott Hall passed away after complications caused by a fall. Don't know what to say. If I can reframe this a bit, it's a sign that wrestlers are at least living longer lives than they were in the 2000s. Fall complications, especially with hips, aren't that uncommon for people their age and heights outside of wrestling. Compare that to how many of their coworkers died of heart attacks in their 40s. Yeah, at 93 my Grandma died from complications caused by a fall. Before that, she had lived like 15 years past the doctor telling her she had about 3 years to live. As someone in their 40's I can say that when you get older falling somehow becomes this devastating thing. I slipped on ice last winter and hitting the ground felt so much more painful than when I was in my 20's or even 30's.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 15, 2022 16:37:02 GMT -5
Here's a Razor classic where he wins the Intercontinental title for a 4th time.
You damn right I marked out for him winning it for a 4th time.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 15, 2022 17:21:27 GMT -5
Slam Wrestling has an article by Greg Oliver and it comes off to me like less of a memorial and more of a hit piece. Most of the last part of the article has quotes from books by Jericho, Duggan, Russo and Flair. Flair's quote was probably originally said to kiss Shawn Michaels' butt which puts down Hall in the process and the other three show Hall being difficult to deal with. I wouldn't doubt maybe Oliver had a bad experience with Hall and decided to put out this type of article. If he had died a decade ago, I could maybe see this type of article but not now. And someone on kayfabe memories board has made almost every post in the RIP thread about his belief that years of drug and alcohol abuse led to him not being healthy enough for the surgery to be successful. Greg Oliver can go f*** himself. There’s a time and a goddamn place to discuss the bad parts of a recently deceased person. The next day isn’t it. We all know Scott wasn’t a saint, but we also now know he was suffering from severe PTSD which directly caused the substance problems that made him difficult. Give the man a break while people are still mourning, it’s not like he’s OJ Simpson where you can’t reasonably tell the story while ignore his faults (I grossly understated that last part, I know) The fact it didn't even mention how he got clean and sober his final years and working with DDP. You read that article and seen how many times he had to deal with things. Rehab and so on. Honestly with so much he dealt with it was a remarkable and amazing final years for Hall. He found that peace he had been looking for so many years in his life. If there's one thing besides his in-ring stuff to remember him by. It's this. How he lived his final years of his life after being dealt with a bad hand so many times in his life.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 15, 2022 17:27:25 GMT -5
Greg Oliver can go f*** himself. There’s a time and a goddamn place to discuss the bad parts of a recently deceased person. The next day isn’t it. We all know Scott wasn’t a saint, but we also now know he was suffering from severe PTSD which directly caused the substance problems that made him difficult. Give the man a break while people are still mourning, it’s not like he’s OJ Simpson where you can’t reasonably tell the story while ignore his faults (I grossly understated that last part, I know) The fact it didn't even mention how he got clean and sober his final years and working with DDP. You read that article and seen how many times he had to deal with things. Rehab and so on. Honestly with so much he dealt with it was a remarkable and amazing final years for Hall. He found that peace he had been looking for so many years in his life. If there's one thing besides his in-ring stuff to remember him by. It's this. How he lived his final years of his life after being dealt with a bad hand so many times in his life. I remember Scott being on deaths door like 10-12 years ago, I seem to remember Nash and Waltman even discussing things like “when not if”, dude had a remarkable turn around. Him, and Dallas Page bro, deserve so much praise for how Scott’s last 10 years went. Scott Hall would’ve be the first person to tell you he shouldn’t be idolised, but in my opinion his recovery absolutely should be. Post wrestling Scott Hall is a man who deserves praise.
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