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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 15, 2022 9:58:51 GMT -5
I can say that for me personally, it has really impacted the in-person experience. I have no intention of attending any shows that aren't PPVs whenever they're in New York City or Jersey. It's not fun to sit around, especially during three-hour shows. What’s the difference on the in-person experience whether they play the backstage segments and recaps before the wrestlers’ entrance or after? I don’t think they’ve increased the number of backstage segments and recaps, it seems like they’ve just re-ordered things to try to use the entrance as a hook to keep people watching. I definitely agree though that PPVs and house shows are better in-person experiences than TV, but that’s been the case at least for me going back to the 90s. I've been to a ton of WWE shows over the years and it just feels like there are just more commercial breaks and more waiting around because they're focused on non-stop recaps for the home audience. I know Raw/SD have always been produced primarily for TV audiences and not the live crowd, but in the last five years or so it just feels like that's more glaring when you're there.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 15, 2022 10:31:17 GMT -5
What’s the difference on the in-person experience whether they play the backstage segments and recaps before the wrestlers’ entrance or after? I don’t think they’ve increased the number of backstage segments and recaps, it seems like they’ve just re-ordered things to try to use the entrance as a hook to keep people watching. I definitely agree though that PPVs and house shows are better in-person experiences than TV, but that’s been the case at least for me going back to the 90s. I've been to a ton of WWE shows over the years and it just feels like there are just more commercial breaks and more waiting around because they're focused on non-stop recaps for the home audience. I know Raw/SD have always been produced primarily for TV audiences and not the live crowd, but in the last five years or so it just feels like that's more glaring when you're there. I feel the same way. WWE shows 5-6 years ago were paced a bit better and felt more like modern Dynamite tapings where there are a few breaks for commercials but for the most part, something is always happening in front of you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 10:34:09 GMT -5
But when you're a WWE superstar you know ahead that they do that shit. They've been doing it for years. Standing in the ring during commercial breaks and stuff is part of the job. I don't remember it being that bad previously. At least it seemed both workers would come out right after another vs the current way. It was bad during the empty pandemic shows and only gotten much worse since they've had crowds back. I can't really compare then and now. I quit watching WWE years ago. And anytime I've tuned in for a few minutes, its just reminded me why I dont watch.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 15, 2022 10:51:20 GMT -5
It is a testament to how innovative WWE programming has become. It isn't uncommon for long running television shows to do a clip episode, or have reruns for that matter.
WWE provides clip shows and reruns within their new episodes as they're airing. Simply fascinating.
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Post by saneiac on Mar 15, 2022 11:00:16 GMT -5
It has definitely gotten worse. In the Attitude Era, they had occasional shows where something big happened in the first 20 minutes and they would recap it several times throughout the night (Foley and Funk going off the stage in a dumpster being the best example). Viewers complained about it every time they did it, because it wasn't the norm. Now, not only is it the norm, but they recap meaningless crap like Happy Corbin arriving at the arena.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 15, 2022 11:20:16 GMT -5
This happens to me at work. I get constant replays of me getting coffee or the time IT had to fix my printer.
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 11:27:20 GMT -5
This happens to me at work. I get constant replays of me getting coffee or the time IT had to fix my printer. Same. “Let’s take you back to the moment the laptop hub did not connect to the screens” *swoosh noise, shows video of tech guy putting together the new hub, saying the screens need to be adjusted and will be in 30 minutes* “And they’re still not working, JR!”
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 15, 2022 12:17:42 GMT -5
Part of gets where they are coming from in a sense. Stats have shown that the average viewer for RAW watches about half the show. So you ideally want to structure a show so that if you are tuning in late, you can generally catch up fairly easily. The issue is twofold though. They go about recapping things via long promo packages and when combined with the overall pacing of the show, just makes everything feel unnecessarily padded. There are ways to recap the show that take half the time. But the other issue is this creates a self fulfilling prophecy. Viewers only watch parts of the show because they feel like the rest is skippable for whatever reason. If you cater to that more and more, you're making it easier for people to tune in late. You can't perfectly solve for this but you should try to structure your show so that someone actively feels like they need to tune in early so they don't miss something.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 15, 2022 12:22:50 GMT -5
Part of gets where they are coming from in a sense. Stats have shown that the average viewer for RAW watches about half the show. So you ideally want to structure a show so that if you are tuning in late, you can generally catch up fairly easily. The issue is twofold though. They go about recapping things via long promo packages and when combined with the overall pacing of the show, just makes everything feel unnecessarily padded. There are ways to recap the show that take half the time. But the other issue is this creates a self fulfilling prophecy. Viewers only watch parts of the show because they feel like the rest is skippable for whatever reason. If you cater to that more and more, you're making it easier for people to tune in late. You can't perfectly solve for this but you should try to structure your show so that someone actively feels like they need to tune in early so they don't miss something. The real answer is 2 hour Raws but that bell isn’t being unrung any time soon.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 15, 2022 12:32:26 GMT -5
I mean, like I said, if your job was to stand around for 25 minutes, you'd be doing what the job requires you to. If you're someone who has to get psyched and ready to go out in front of thousands of people on a regular basis and then have that momentum squandered because you need to show interview segments and replays and the like, I could imagine it being hard to keep yourself psyched when you should be doing your job. Like I said, it's not the worst thing in the world but I can absolutely understand the frustrations of it. But when you're a WWE superstar you know ahead that they do that shit. They've been doing it for years. Standing in the ring during commercial breaks and stuff is part of the job. Seriously, it’s like a baseball player saying ‘I’m paid to hit the ball, not stand around in left field for three innings when the ball isn’t coming my way.’ Or ‘I’m an NFL quarterback. I’m paid to throw the ball, not sit on the bench while the defense is on the field.’ It literally is part of the job.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 15, 2022 12:33:02 GMT -5
Maybe make effective use of the roster...even some nights smackdowns aren't structured any better.
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 13:18:50 GMT -5
But when you're a WWE superstar you know ahead that they do that shit. They've been doing it for years. Standing in the ring during commercial breaks and stuff is part of the job. Seriously, it’s like a baseball player saying ‘I’m paid to hit the ball, not stand around in left field for three innings when the ball isn’t coming my way.’ Or ‘I’m an NFL quarterback. I’m paid to throw the ball, not sit on the bench while the defense is on the field.’ It literally is part of the job. But again, if you were a sports player going out there to play the game and when you get on the field before it starts, the half time show kicks off and you’re waiting for the fan participation stuff, the national anthem, the Air Force flyby etc rather than at the designated time, it stops momentum. That’s why there’s half time breaks to take a break and find a way to get that motivation back and not on the field of play. It’s not that there’s adverts or promos before your match or commercial breaks during your match that feels maddening, it’s people doing their entrance and waiting around for whatever nonsense happens even before the opponent comes out that just kills the flow dead.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 15, 2022 13:26:05 GMT -5
KO has reached the “they’re not gonna fire mr so I can poke fun at how dumb it is all I want” level.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 15, 2022 13:31:26 GMT -5
KO has reached the “they’re not gonna fire mr so I can poke fun at how dumb it is all I want” level. To be fair, that’s pretty much always been his personality, both on and off-air.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 15, 2022 13:39:12 GMT -5
When you're ordered to make 1 hr more TV, but dont really want to. Recaps. This. I 100% believe this is the reason they do this, and have done this since the early years of RAW. It is a cheap and simple way to pad out your programming. It is the pro-wrestling equivalent of double-spacing your book report to make it 5 pages, instead of 3.
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 13:47:02 GMT -5
When you're ordered to make 1 hr more TV, but dont really want to. Recaps. This. I 100% believe this is the reason they do this, and have done this since the early years of RAW. It is a cheap and simple way to pad out your programming. It is the pro-wrestling equivalent of double-spacing your book report to make it 5 pages, instead of 3. On the other hand, this wasn’t a mandate. USA asked them, WWE said yes because of the money. Like, they regretted it later likely but it wasn’t like they were forced to do it either.
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 15, 2022 14:12:41 GMT -5
at least I wasn't the only one wanting to headbutt the wall during that lol
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 15, 2022 14:14:39 GMT -5
I would happily stand and watch a recap for 24 minutes for Kevin Owens' salary
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 14:24:14 GMT -5
I would happily stand and watch a recap for 24 minutes for Kevin Owens' salary A pro wrestler’s salary? Pfft, No way. Now, standing for 24 minutes on Lionel Messi’s present salary? I’d pay off all my debts in half that time.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 15, 2022 14:27:53 GMT -5
I would happily stand and watch a recap for 24 minutes for Kevin Owens' salary A pro wrestler’s salary? Pfft, No way. Now, standing for 24 minutes on Lionel Messi’s present salary? I’d pay off all my debts in half that time. Yep, still would on a pro wrestlers salary.
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