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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 22, 2022 4:14:41 GMT -5
Marvel/DC readers are basically paying to be part of a focus group for future non comics projects. If a story is well received, it gets added to the maybe pile for plotlines for future movies, tv shows or animated series without the headache of having to use unionised writers for new material, or pay royalties. Mark Millar's kind of realised that's what comics are now and made his name then carved out a hugely profitable niche of movie pitches thinly disguised as miniseries.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 22, 2022 4:15:40 GMT -5
Can we also mention Monopoly, I mean how many versions of that game do we honestly need Hasbro?? Can it wait until we get FAN Monopoly off the ground? |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 22, 2022 4:31:50 GMT -5
I kind of want to single out a specific aspect of DC, the straight to DVD animated movies. They continue to churn those out at a constant rate but nobody really seems to care about them at all anymore and they largely sell pretty terribly at this point. They don't even really advertise them most of the time, so kind of have no clue why they continue to endlessly put them out except milking the small handful of people who apparently buy every single one of the things.
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Post by Dragonfly on Mar 22, 2022 4:48:28 GMT -5
Can we also mention Monopoly, I mean how many versions of that game do we honestly need Hasbro?? Can it wait until we get FAN Monopoly off the ground? Let's crack open the Community Chest, shall we? "You have won a raffle for the IWA Mid-South pizza oven! Unfortunately, Ian gave you an unlabeled bag of prescription pills instead! Go directly to jail." "Kidd Bandit and Ian Riccaboni liked your post! Collect fifty extra likes!" This card just says " SMITH." What do I do now? ...And just so you know, I have already built hotels in the Original Impact Zone, Daily's Place and the Codyverse. Have fun landing on those. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 22, 2022 5:03:10 GMT -5
I kind of want to single out a specific aspect of DC, the straight to DVD animated movies. They continue to churn those out at a constant rate but nobody really seems to care about them at all anymore and they largely sell pretty terribly at this point. They don't even really advertise them most of the time, so kind of have no clue why they continue to endlessly put them out except milking the small handful of people who apparently buy every single one of the things. Probably were intended as filler content for the DC streaming aervice. Now for HBO Max. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 22, 2022 5:12:03 GMT -5
I kind of want to single out a specific aspect of DC, the straight to DVD animated movies. They continue to churn those out at a constant rate but nobody really seems to care about them at all anymore and they largely sell pretty terribly at this point. They don't even really advertise them most of the time, so kind of have no clue why they continue to endlessly put them out except milking the small handful of people who apparently buy every single one of the things. Probably were intended as filler content for the DC streaming aervice. Now for HBO Max. Possibly, but they always put them out on DVD well before putting them up on HBO Max, like looking they haven't put up the Catwoman one that came out almost two months ago and it isn't listed on the coming soon page. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 22, 2022 6:30:40 GMT -5
Yes the comics. No matter how popular the movies and media are they are unable to translate that to any significant new comics readers. So they subsist on an aging and dwindling fan base. It's hard to get invested when they keep starting and stopping series. It's been years since I've followed anything from either company, because it was so frustrating to follow a series for 10-12 issues only for it end. There's also the fact that comics and movies are a very different medium, and if the idea of reading a comic doesn't appeal to someone then no amount of enjoyment of a movie version will change that. Anybody who's paid attention to this board in the last ten years know I'm as big a MCU mark as it gets, but I've not opened a Marvel comic since the mid-1980s (and no comic of any kind since The Crow in 1997) and most of my knowledge of the comics comes from wikis and Google. Nothing against the medium, I'd just rather watch a movie or show. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 22, 2022 6:39:32 GMT -5
It's hard to get invested when they keep starting and stopping series. It's been years since I've followed anything from either company, because it was so frustrating to follow a series for 10-12 issues only for it end. There's also the fact that comics and movies are a very different medium, and if the idea of reading a comic doesn't appeal to someone then no amount of enjoyment of a movie version will change that. Anybody who's paid attention to this board in the last ten years know I'm as big a MCU mark as it gets, but I've not opened a Marvel comic since the mid-1980s (and no comic of any kind since The Crow in 1997) and most of my knowledge of the comics comes from wikis and Google. Nothing against the medium, I'd just rather watch a movie or show. True but you'd think there would be SOME crossover, people wanting further stories featuring the characters. Hell 3 movies fuelled decades for stories in the Star Wars EU. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 22, 2022 6:56:16 GMT -5
True but you'd think there would be SOME crossover, people wanting further stories featuring the characters. Hell 3 movies fuelled decades for stories in the Star Wars EU. I'm sure there is some crossover, but it could be a case of what crossover there is only offsets those no longer regularly reading. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 22, 2022 7:18:43 GMT -5
Marvel and DC films are the new monthlies for your everyday person in terms of keeping up with their favorite heroes in this digital era.
Comic based media and characters are stronger than ever, but you could qualify the traditional newsstand comic purchase as a dying industry just solely on it being more of a niche than it was in the 1940s and 50’s with Mr and Mrs. Public being more prone to grabbing a book at the drug store since TV was in its infancy and there were no big cinematic universes outside of minor serials.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 22, 2022 7:19:45 GMT -5
If you watch the MCU Spider-man films as an outsider to comics, like the character and want to check out the books, where do you go for more of that version of the character? You have amazing Spider-man, Savage Spider-man, Ben Reilly Spider-man, Silk, Spider-woman, Miles Morales, upcoming Spider-man 2099,Venom, Venom: Lethal protector, Carnage... None of which are MCU version Spider-man, and then there's thousands of back issues. It is impenetrable to non fans and there's very little that can be done to fix that.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 22, 2022 10:57:30 GMT -5
If you watch the MCU Spider-man films as an outsider to comics, like the character and want to check out the books, where do you go for more of that version of the character? You have amazing Spider-man, Savage Spider-man, Ben Reilly Spider-man, Silk, Spider-woman, Miles Morales, upcoming Spider-man 2099,Venom, Venom: Lethal protector, Carnage... None of which are MCU version Spider-man, and then there's thousands of back issues. It is impenetrable to non fans and there's very little that can be done to fix that. They tried to fix it with the Ultimate line but that somehow became even more impenetrable than the main line in like 5 years time. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 22, 2022 11:09:23 GMT -5
Marvel and DC films are the new monthlies for your everyday person in terms of keeping up with their favorite heroes in this digital era. Comic based media and characters are stronger than ever, but you could qualify the traditional newsstand comic purchase as a dying industry just solely on it being more of a niche than it was in the 1940s and 50’s with Mr and Mrs. Public being more prone to grabbing a book at the drug store since TV was in its infancy and there were no big cinematic universes outside of minor serials. Newsstand and printed media are a dying industry. But comics gave up that market in the early 90s, well before it was dying. Comic companies loved the direct market model of no returns and guaranteed sales. And because of the speculator boom there were comic stores everywhere. Then the bubble burst, stores closed left and right (Baton Rouge went from over a dozen to 1) and with no newsstand exposure new readers were few and far between. If they had stayed on the newsstand they would be getting desperate now as the magazines and newspapers are. But they cost themselves 20 years of new readers by chasing easy money. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 22, 2022 11:20:24 GMT -5
If you watch the MCU Spider-man films as an outsider to comics, like the character and want to check out the books, where do you go for more of that version of the character? You have amazing Spider-man, Savage Spider-man, Ben Reilly Spider-man, Silk, Spider-woman, Miles Morales, upcoming Spider-man 2099,Venom, Venom: Lethal protector, Carnage... None of which are MCU version Spider-man, and then there's thousands of back issues. It is impenetrable to non fans and there's very little that can be done to fix that. They tried to fix it with the Ultimate line but that somehow became even more impenetrable than the main line in like 5 years time. The Ultimate Line should have been in the vein of the DC Adventures of books (based on the animated series) in being continuity lite and one and done stories. Instead all they did was the same kind of writers on the main books doing the same kind of stories, only now slightly updated. Hell they even gave it a metaplot where everyones origin is linked so you better read every issue to see the clues and link it all together. I guess 5 years later they should have introduced the Mega Universe. Then another 5 the Awesome Universe. Wait thats taken. The Radical Universe. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 22, 2022 12:07:13 GMT -5
If you watch the MCU Spider-man films as an outsider to comics, like the character and want to check out the books, where do you go for more of that version of the character? You have amazing Spider-man, Savage Spider-man, Ben Reilly Spider-man, Silk, Spider-woman, Miles Morales, upcoming Spider-man 2099,Venom, Venom: Lethal protector, Carnage... None of which are MCU version Spider-man, and then there's thousands of back issues. It is impenetrable to non fans and there's very little that can be done to fix that. They tried to fix it with the Ultimate line but that somehow became even more impenetrable than the main line in like 5 years time. Wasn’t Morales the one notable mainstream breakthrough from Ultimate? That and whatever the heck that “Ultimatium” edgelord comic was where MFers were being gobbled up like snacks? |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 22, 2022 12:26:32 GMT -5
They tried to fix it with the Ultimate line but that somehow became even more impenetrable than the main line in like 5 years time. Wasn’t Morales the one notable mainstream breakthrough from Ultimate? That and whatever the heck that “Ultimatium” edgelord comic was where MFers were being gobbled up like snacks? Sam Jackson Fury and Marvel Zombie were the other big breakthrus. The MCU took some stuff from the Ultimate universe. Mostly costumes. They stayed true to the traditional characterization for the most part. No bigot Cap for instance. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 22, 2022 13:03:20 GMT -5
The problem with the Ultimate Universe were that the writers quickly gave up on the idea of it being a fresh, stream-lined continuity and instead were more focused on making it edgy and "mature". And as anybody who follows geek culture will tell you, the more mature you try to make something, the more immature it winds up feeling.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 22, 2022 13:49:51 GMT -5
They tried to fix it with the Ultimate line but that somehow became even more impenetrable than the main line in like 5 years time. The Ultimate Line should have been in the vein of the DC Adventures of books (based on the animated series) in being continuity lite and one and done stories. Instead all they did was the same kind of writers on the main books doing the same kind of stories, only now slightly updated. Hell they even gave it a metaplot where everyones origin is linked so you better read every issue to see the clues and link it all together. I guess 5 years later they should have introduced the Mega Universe. Then another 5 the Awesome Universe. Wait thats taken. The Radical Universe. It didnt help that the line also developed a rep for being cheesy edgelord crap |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 22, 2022 14:22:25 GMT -5
Outside of Spider-man the Ultimate universe did go real hard on ultimate edgelords.
Captain America was a xenophobic shithead, Wanda and Pietro were openly incestual (and the only people that called him out on it was Cap... who was treated with a "you're so old fashioned Cap" ), Hank Pym became a serial abuser that everyone seemed to know about but no one did anything about, and then shit like Blob eating Wasp... and all that other stuff...
and then they handed it to Millar to save... and we got Red Skull that cut his face off and threw a baby out a window... and that entire storyline was just the edgiest edgelord ever... and to my understanding basically what killed the line.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 22, 2022 15:14:42 GMT -5
Outside of Spider-man the Ultimate universe did go real hard on ultimate edgelords. Captain America was a xenophobic shithead, Wanda and Pietro were openly incestual (and the only people that called him out on it was Cap... who was treated with a "you're so old fashioned Cap" ), Hank Pym became a serial abuser that everyone seemed to know about but no one did anything about, and then shit like Blob eating Wasp... and all that other stuff... and then they handed it to Millar to save... and we got Red Skull that cut his face off and threw a baby out a window... and that entire storyline was just the edgiest edgelord ever... and to my understanding basically what killed the line. You forgot all the rape |
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